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Maybe cause you are stupid and you have asked a very stupid questionQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
job biscuit (stupid boy)!!!
eh eh!!!
I think Leonard has a greater resume, which i percieve greatness to be about.
For me they would be alot closer if you were talking about which one was the better fighter out of the two rather than their respective 'greatness' if that makes any sense.
Complete sense and exactly my thoughts too.Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeH
Compare the number of belts they both had and the amount of weight divisions they've had success in
I think belts and weightclasses are superficial in relation to the level of talent that a fighter faces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Fair play to both of em though, they both made substantial climbs in weight.
SRL fought better opposition, but RJJ fought alot longer at the top. I think had RJJ retired after the John Ruiz fight he could of been higher IMO, i think the losses have hurt his legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
in terms of natural talent and athletic ability I say they're even, but Leonard has the better resume and not just on paper
he went 36 (25 KOs) with only 3 losses 2 coming at the end of his career, with wins over the likes of Benitez, Duran, Hearns, and Hagler, that alone is better than anyone that Jones beat, and Jones didn't just beat up on bums, both guys are great in their own right but IMO Leonard takes the cake
It comes down to quality or quantity, but im just going to stir the pot here a little. But does it matter that SRL got gift decisions vs Hearns, Hagler ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I'd go with Leonard. I think he actually liked to fight. He traded with greats and the company he kept in peak era says alot.
Jones was unbeatable leonard wasnt
Leonard boxed in an era where there were no hws with any marketting pull so he and his weight classes got more exposure and therefore will always leave a bigger legacy and will more often get the vote
Jones was not unbeatable he got beat just like Leonard did but the comp they beat i don't know how Jones faced better fighters. As for there skills they were pretty equal Jones faster Leonard better chin.
He got beat past his prime, were talking about in his prime here. I mean honestly have you known a fighter dominate like RJJ for that length of time ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
The only fights he was even in a little trouble was Harding, Griffin 1, and that was hardly any trouble its just they were more competitive, than pretty much any RJJ fight in his prime.
Only lose Lenoard had thats was even close to prime was Duran and i don't think he was even prime yet. Jones lost to Griffen that was a close fight dq or not. Both came back to erase the lose but still both lost.
Jones era was kinda weak and he was able to get some great wins like Tony and Bernard but besides that not to many stand outs really. I guess i could put a list of names that were dominated in weak eras.