True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

So as a beginner you are taught to pivot the foot to rotate the hips.

Well most pros dont use that from what I can see, most pros do it the other way they push off their foot to get the hips to rotate.

I know someones going to say they are the exact same thing but they are not.

Also when you push off does it matter what direction you push, should you push inthe direction of the punch or in the direction (as best you can) of the hips rotation or do you push up, or does it not matter as long as it gets the hips moving?

You see Tyson doing it this way alot every time he punches he pushes first off the ground theres rarely any pivoting of the foot and if there is it comes AFTER the push off. (NOT FIRST thats the difference)

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Originally Posted by OMGWTF

So as a beginner you are taught to pivot the foot to rotate the hips.

Well most pros dont use that from what I can see, most pros do it the other way they push off their foot to get the hips to rotate.

I know someones going to say they are the exact same thing but they are not.

Also when you push off does it matter what direction you push, should you push inthe direction of the punch or in the direction (as best you can) of the hips rotation or do you push up, or does it not matter as long as it gets the hips moving?

You see Tyson doing it this way alot every time he punches he pushes first off the ground theres rarely any pivoting of the foot and if there is it comes AFTER the push off. (NOT FIRST thats the difference)

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if the foot and knee dont turn, the hip cant, plus you dont push of, you push down onto the floor its that, that generates force.

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Originally Posted by Scrap

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Originally Posted by OMGWTF

So as a beginner you are taught to pivot the foot to rotate the hips.

Well most pros dont use that from what I can see, most pros do it the other way they push off their foot to get the hips to rotate.

I know someones going to say they are the exact same thing but they are not.

Also when you push off does it matter what direction you push, should you push inthe direction of the punch or in the direction (as best you can) of the hips rotation or do you push up, or does it not matter as long as it gets the hips moving?



You see Tyson doing it this way alot every time he punches he pushes first off the ground theres rarely any pivoting of the foot and if there is it comes AFTER the push off. (NOT FIRST thats the difference)

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if the foot and knee dont turn, the hip cant, plus you dont push of, you push down onto the floor its that, that generates force.

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Push down, it doesn't have to be in any direction just down you say? Thankyou alot!!

"If the knee doesn't turn the hip cant"

If you try it you will find theres some room for movement before the foot HAS to twist and no you dont have to torque the knee, if you look at alot of pro fighters for many punches their hips move alot but their feet pivot very little often not at all. (Including julian jackson, who has mastered torque)

Lots of martial arts styles move the hips without the foot etc

Infact some people believe not moving the feet is better since theirs no give and you transfer force from the ground to the hip without any slipping (wasting of power at the foot) So it goes straight from the ground to the fist without any "wheel spin" at the foot.

Hip cannot move on its own as i mentioned, in another thread impossible only 6 degrees lateral up or side. Otherwise you would damage the coxxys, thats the reason, so there something else moving below it.

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Hip cannot move on its own as i mentioned, in another thread impossible only 6 degrees lateral up or side. Otherwise you would damage the coxxys, thats the reason, so there something else moving below it.

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You're saying that his bunk that if you don't push into the floor and turn or pivot the foot there won't be any power.

The push is what actually moves the hips, the pivot gives you range of motion.

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Originally Posted by jms

The push is what actually moves the hips, the pivot gives you range of motion.

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What moves us is our environment, in boxing movement comes from the floor our base. Its our job to find the proprioceptive ability to find the balance, to execute movement. That comes from the floor through feel and touch, more touch better feel. What gives you range of motion is the back foot, and thumb.

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Hip cannot move on its own as i mentioned, in another thread impossible only 6 degrees lateral up or side. Otherwise you would damage the coxxys, thats the reason, so there something else moving below it.

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What do u you see here?

I see Tyson not moving his feet at all, and still torquing his hips a fair bit and not damaging anything other than his opponents head.

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The push is what actually moves the hips, the pivot gives you range of motion.

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Does the direction of the push matter, should you push towards the hip rotation or up or in the same direction of the punch or does it not matter so long as it gets the hips rotating?

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The push is what actually moves the hips, the pivot gives you range of motion.

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Does the direction of the push matter, should you push towards the hip rotation or up or in the same direction of the punch or does it not matter so long as it gets the hips rotating?

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In that clip Tyson gets him walking on to the shot. Even so the knee and foot are turning What turns the shoulder is the opposite shoulder, plus it keeps the weight on the back foot. What happened there the guy gave Tyson his distance and paid for doing it. Oh and you push down, as i said before study your walking movement for drive and when that is lost. There lies the answer, realise where the head is when the front foot lands, then bend the knees.

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The push is what actually moves the hips, the pivot gives you range of motion.

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Does the direction of the push matter, should you push towards the hip rotation or up or in the same direction of the punch or does it not matter so long as it gets the hips rotating?

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In that clip Tyson gets him walking on to the shot. Even so the knee and foot are turning What turns the shoulder is the opposite shoulder, plus it keeps the weight on the back foot. What happened there the guy gave Tyson his distance and paid for doing it. Oh and you push down, as i said before study your walking movement for drive and when that is lost. There lies the answer, realise where the head is when the front foot lands, then bend the knees.

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You said the "foot and knee have to move" so you got it wrong. The foot can stay completely still ;) Hell even the knee can even stay largely still.

Kick boxers punch like this all the time because they dont want to turn the back of their leg out to the side where it is vulnerable to a kick so they aim not to move the foot or the knee or to do it minimally, but they can still get good rotation on their hips. Also pro boxers more often than not dont move the foot much at all. Some martial artists are the similar to the kick boxers except they want stability and balance/defense against trips n throws, so thats why they dont turn the leg out.

What you dont seem to understand is that although everything is connected there is a fair amount of room for movement before the foot or even knee have to turn. ;)

xD

Also I am only a beginner, I presume you've studied this for a long time?

A little longer than you ;D.

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a little longer than you ;d.

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and yet you get it so badly wrong xD

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Hip cannot move on its own as i mentioned, in another thread impossible only 6 degrees lateral up or side. Otherwise you would damage the coxxys, thats the reason, so there something else moving below it.

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What do u you see here?

I see Tyson not moving his feet at all, and still torquing his hips a fair bit and nodamaging anything other than his opponents head.

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Well you can do as you like while remembering that if that punch lacks power people are gonna want to fight you. Its all or nothing!

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/a...s/159589_o.gif


Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o