..lasts how long ??
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..lasts how long ??
not even as long as the Prescott fight
that would be interesting... how long it will last... ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
tho i favor Valero vs. JMM in a lightweight unification fight...
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Valero gets messy when he gets up close and Khan would be faster but, you just get the feeling if one of Edwin's hands were to reach Khan, then it'd be over. It'd be interesting for as long as it lasts though
That'd be awesome. But it aint happening. At this JMM boxing career stage, I don't think he'd settle for high risk low reward fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerthat would be interesting... how long it will last... ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
tho i favor Valero vs. JMM in a lightweight unification fight...
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Kahn could actually beat Valero even stop him imo. Valero hasnt fought anyone that big with that kind of speed. Of course Valero cuold KO him if he lands a big punch, but I do think Kahn is smarter and aware that he needs to keep a tight D. If it went past 3, id favor Kahn.
I'm with you on that. I also wanna add that Valero never fought an A level elite fighter (Mosquera was only B+, so as Khan).Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I'd say imo, Valero-Khan is 50/50.
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Originally Posted by PacstraightleftI'm with you on that. I also wanna add that Valero never fought an A level elite fighter (Mosquera was only B+, so as Khan).Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I'd say imo, Valero-Khan is 50/50.
Agreed I give it a 50/50 split....Though Valero has a damn hard punch!!!
yes he does. that's his #1 asset. khan can wear him down though.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftI'm with you on that. I also wanna add that Valero never fought an A level elite fighter (Mosquera was only B+, so as Khan).Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I'd say imo, Valero-Khan is 50/50.
Agreed I give it a 50/50 split....Though Valero has a damn hard punch!!!
Definately 50-50. What makes it interesting is that the boxer usually beats the puncher, but in this case the boxer is a bit chinny and the puncher has some speed. Mosquera is a good fighter, probably the best on his resume, but I cant help but think that if Kahn had fought Valeros opposition, he two would be undefeated with almost all kos. The guy Valero fought last night had impressive numbers but he was in survival mode from the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftI'm with you on that. I also wanna add that Valero never fought an A level elite fighter (Mosquera was only B+, so as Khan).Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I'd say imo, Valero-Khan is 50/50.
Agreed I give it a 50/50 split....Though Valero has a damn hard punch!!!
Seems like Pitalua got intimidated from the opening bell and didn't fight smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoomDefinately 50-50. What makes it interesting is that the boxer usually beats the puncher, but in this case the boxer is a bit chinny and the puncher has some speed. Mosquera is a good fighter, probably the best on his resume, but I cant help but think that if Kahn had fought Valeros opposition, he two would be undefeated with almost all kos. The guy Valero fought last night had impressive numbers but he was in survival mode from the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Agreed I give it a 50/50 split....Though Valero has a damn hard punch!!!
i think Khan's ego would allow him to get careless and he'd get tagged cleanly by Valero and go down, and hard, but yea it's a 50/50 fight
one thing though Valero looked a lot more poised last night than he's looked in the past, i mean he's far from being a technical marvel but he didn't go as crazy as he has in the past, going back to the JMM/Valero fight, i think JMM would counter him pretty much all night, but if Valero landed a clean shot like Diaz did, Marquez would be out
Really? I didn't see the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftSeems like Pitalua got intimidated from the opening bell and didn't fight smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoomDefinately 50-50. What makes it interesting is that the boxer usually beats the puncher, but in this case the boxer is a bit chinny and the puncher has some speed. Mosquera is a good fighter, probably the best on his resume, but I cant help but think that if Kahn had fought Valeros opposition, he two would be undefeated with almost all kos. The guy Valero fought last night had impressive numbers but he was in survival mode from the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Pitaltua had a lot of tough talk before the fight, and I thought he was gonna be a tough test for Valero.
Khan will outbox him
Ameer Con could not even out box Prescott. Con beats an old Barrera and suddenly Con is an ace once again? Give me a break. If Valero can land one clean shot and then swarm Ameer Con and then Valero gets Calzlappy on his arse, I think Valero can finish him but he will have to catch The Con artist first as the Con has a new 10 speed bike that has been tuned up by the Roach. I would still favor Valero even if his defense is leaky. Con himself has beat no one and if you mention Barrera, that win is no more significant as Hatton's win over Paulie Malignaggi. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by boxer1234
Valero is a horrible fighter to watch, just horrible, but he is effective. I really don't think Valero is the monster people make him out to be. I say it's 60/40 fight in Khans favour
Second round KO for Edwin Valero. Valero is a beast.
Khan's edge would be his height and skill, speed I'd say is equal but Valero's power alone destroys the very chinny Khan.
Valero's stops Khan in less than 6 rounds!!!
I'm all for Khan V Katsidis at this point and i hope this fight happens within 6 months, then a match up with Valero makes more sense for the winner.
It's only April, no reason why both fights could not happen this year.
Khan is also big puncher. But not as hard as Valero. I think cornermen will also a big part, and Khan has better team. That's why I see it as an even match up.
Is Valero really that hard puncher like we all think he is? I mean.. One dude said it right.. If you pit Khan against those bums he fought.. He may have a perfect KO record too. Maybe not all in the 1st round, but the quality of his oppositions is just crap and it's safe to say Khan would whoop them ass.
How about Valero vs. Prescott? May serve as a good barometer for fans.
South Paw! A lot of people used to say that about Pacquiao too.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200
I take Khan on this one providing he sticks with the his new quick hands then cover up style. Obviously if he gets tagged by a big hitter then it's goodnight, but isn't that true of most.
I know he can look a bit wobbley but I think too much has been made of his knockout, look at Nigel Benn, some days you hit him with a hammer and he loved it , others he went over if caught just right.
I wonder what would have happened to a lot of slick fighters that were able to avoid shots if they were tagged, might be more glass jaws out there than we think:o
it depends, does Khan catch a lucky break following a nasty clash of heads? Then I say it goes to round 5 and gets stopped on cuts.
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you suggesting it couldn't happen? :o
I hear Wayne McCullough is after a fight.
To use an expression the cops use for rubbernecks...........move along now folks......
Are you still upset that Paulie went 12 rounds with your boyfriend Cotto and didn't get knocked out? Or maybe you're upset that Hatton gave a more dominant performance over Paulie than Cotto did? And I swear if you say it was because Cotto was weight drained and that bullshit I'm going to cry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
i'm no Cotto nuthugger, but he beat Malignaggi plenty convincingly and i'd dare say he beat him up a hell of a lot worse than Hatton did, i mean look at his face after both fights and it speaks for itself, second of all Malignaggi is a good decent fighter and should be counted as a good win on both fighter's records, but Hatton did NOT knock him out, the fight was stopped, but Hatton did NOT knock him out, corner stoppage doesn't equal KO, and on that note, look at both fighters records, who has the bigger names?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUKAre you still upset that Paulie went 12 rounds with your boyfriend Cotto and didn't get knocked out? Or maybe you're upset that Hatton gave a more dominant performance over Paulie than Cotto did? And I swear if you say it was because Cotto was weight drained and that bullshit I'm going to cry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
Cotto:
Mosley (proved against Margarito he's nowhere close to finished)
Margarito (Plaster)
Judah (aside from Tszyu, worst beating put on him)
Malignaggi (was undefeated, and left with a broken cheek)
Torres (went on to become WBO jrwelter champ beating Arnaoutis and KO'ing Holt)
Corley (seasoned veteran who aside from what he made out and a bad stoppage, wanted to quit that fight)
Quintana (was undefeated with a win over Julio, and then went on to win the WBO welterweight title with a good win over Paul Williams)
Bailey (is still a big player in the 140 division)
plus other big wins that but i wouldn't count them as big names
Hatton:
Phillips (good win, but Phillips past his days)
Tackie (Alfonso Gomez has a win over him :-\)
Tszyu (biggest win hands down)
Collazo (should of been Hattons first loss)
Mayweather Jr (started well, than got dominated)
Urango (gave Hatton fits, but he regained control for a good win)
Castillo (old, and shot, the Lujan loss just verified it)
Lazcano (an old lightweight, and give him fits)
Malignaggi (a calmer Hatton won the fight pretty easily)
Be honest i would say Mosley fight could of gone ethier way and he lost to Margarito but still when i watch that fight really did fight wrong way. Because look at how well Mosley time Margarito out and if you going to go off about plaster i guess what can i say no proof he did or didnt.
Also Juhda i cant even consider a good win anymore he has lost ever single big right damn near and he did have alot of losses before Cotto. Carlos got koed in the first by Williams and Torres still sleeping form Holt. Not saying Hatton is any better then Cotto just pointing somethings out. Also yet again i dont have a problem with plaster thing but really is no proof of it and i still consider a legit lose because cant prove it other wise and that is all i really had to say you made some points.
only Margarito and his trainer know if he did, but it's kinda hard to believe that he would start with Mosley, a fighter who he was already picked to win against, lost to Cotto, and didn't really look too good in his last time out (Mayorga fight), so i'm pretty sure he did against Cotto, and i had Cotto beating Mosley 115-113Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I think i had Mosley winning by the same margin but it was a close fight. As for Margarito all i while point out this according to his trainers he had some trouble making weight and maybe was not on top of his game. Not to mention Mosley has alot of things to give Margarito hell. He has chin as good if not better then him, he good stamina and good finisher late in fight and he is way faster then him so looking at that i dont have that much of problem thinking it was first time but i dont know just a thought dude.
i'm not ruling out the possibility of what you're saying, and i'd like to think this was the ONLY time Margarito tried to do it and that it was just a stupid mistake, but on the second hand it's kinda hard to believe, but only him and his trainer know for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
How the hell have we ended up talking about bloody Margarito again??!
I'll bet Cotto doesn't talk about that goat looking fool as much as we do here :-X
Anyway, back to the topic, Valero has got a hell of a punch, but to see people comparing him to Pacquiao is mad. Oh wait I don't want to talk about him either, it will only bring SaddoBoxer & brucelee in here like vultures.
So, Khan... well... no that's only gonna end up talking about Barrera's bloody cut again :-\
I'll just say I think if Khan could stay out of Valero's way for the first 6 rounds he could take the fight well, maybe even KOing him
Oh i understand you dude but for me either this was his first time or he has been doing it all his career but if he has then i really confused. Reason i am confused is because they probable would of found it by now i think. Then you got look at all the different results if this shit so deadly then why was Margarito not knocking guys out some fighters werent even hurt.
Jazmerkin i just add some stuff in my bad i just like wondering i guess. As for the thread i dont have any fate in either one so i am not sure. I mean tell you truth i really dont know i mean there not much left at the weight. And if either move up again i think they while lose so they could be belt holders who meet up later down the road after building up some wins. I mean beside Marquez there really is no one there and Cotto, Mosley, Berto, Clotty and if he still fighting Margarito are to high in weight.
Nah, I was just playin man, it just does get a bit boring when the same topics come up, we've all got our opinions and allegiances, but I would be hard-pressed to think of a single established poster's whose opinion on wrapgate I haven't read. To be honest I think Khan at least would do fine at Light-Welter, as he's still big for the weight there. It actually seems that some of the guys at 135 could easily go up to 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Well maybe moving up while help Khan like it did Cottos chin some what. But if it does not then i dont have much hope for the guy. As for Valero if his power does not carry up then he is done for only thing he really has. But who knows i think 135 and 140 are pretty weak right now I mean top guys are getting older and there alot of younger guys still trying to make it for them selfs. I mean i Hatton, Pacman, Marquez, and even Nate are geting up there and wont be around much longer. Only big fights i really see is if they could go to welterweight with Cotto, Clotty, Berto, Mosley and Margarito if he is allowed to come back and fight but thats it.
valero khan is almost a guaranteed first round KO of khan
its a waste of time
khan should fight julio chavez jr, that could last long enough to be entertaining before khan got KOd :D