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Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
Victor Ortiz - Boxer
i think this is just a ploy from mayweather to steal some attention from the upcoming pac-mosley fight. if this pushes thru, then good for him and i will look forward to it.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
not big enough for floyd
say what you like about money but in his last 2 outings other than the big dawg he has opted to fight the 2nd and 3rd best available options out there
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If ortiz brings the same hunger as he did vs Berto, he could well knock Mayweather the fuck out.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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marbleheadmaui
Tune up if it happens.
Agreed, different leagues.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
I think it happens. Saw him beaming at ringside and eyeing that trinket.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
If this is true I think it is a great fight, Floyd fighting a young big powerful 147 fighter I think it would be a great fight even a dangerous fight for Floyd at this stage of his career.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
Doesn't matter.....The Pacfarts will rag on Floyd for this one. Yet if Pac said he was fighting Ortiz the Pacfarts would be putting Floyd down even more. But Shane is a great opponent and in his prime too...lol
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
Don't jump down my back for assuming Box Rec always has the facts straight. But......they do have Floyd and Victor fighting on the 17th in Cowboys Stadium. Please tell me why Cowboys Stadium? Isn't this Arum's turf? And Victor and Floyd aren't connected or going to do favors for Arum. Anyone have any ideas?
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
One thing for sure: I could hardly get excited by the idea of that fight.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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Originally Posted by
mafiajoey
Don't jump down my back for assuming Box Rec always has the facts straight. But......they do have Floyd and Victor fighting on the 17th in Cowboys Stadium. Please tell me why Cowboys Stadium? Isn't this Arum's turf? And Victor and Floyd aren't connected or going to do favors for Arum. Anyone have any ideas?
Floyd will be lucky to sell 20000 tickets and the stadium will be look empty.
Floyds fights only sell well when he is faceing a well known big name.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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Originally Posted by
Nameless
One thing for sure: I could hardly get excited by the idea of that fight.
Why not? It's a great matchup and Ortiz is one of the most exciting fighters around.
Do you believe in the invincibility of Floyd Mayweather or something? He's only fought twice in 3 years and would have been 18 months out of the ring by the time that fight took place.
Unless you assume he's some kind of super human and judge him differently from all other fighters how could you possibly make the case that this is an unintersting routine comeback fight for him?
If he comes back after 18 months and goes straight to fighting Ortiz that would be a big risk.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
My issue with this is not that Floyd is fighting Ortiz but the timing of the announcement for the fight. He did this by revealing his fight with Juan Manuel Marquez the day before the Pacquiao-Hatton fight. The question that was brought up then (and I'm sure will be brought up again) was why he didn't wait for the conclusion of the Pacquiao fights and then fight Pac. Oh, the Ortiz bout is supposed to be a tune-up fight, just like the JMM fight. How many tune-up fights is he planning to do?
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
It's a decent enough pairing, but Ortiz has only just made his mark. I would like to see him build his career more really. Mayweather should really be thinking about fighting nobody except the winner of the big fight this weekend.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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InTheNeutralCorner
My issue with this is not that Floyd is fighting Ortiz but the timing of the announcement for the fight. He did this by revealing his fight with Juan Manuel Marquez the day before the Pacquiao-Hatton fight. The question that was brought up then (and I'm sure will be brought up again) was why he didn't wait for the conclusion of the Pacquiao fights and then fight Pac. Oh, the Ortiz bout is supposed to be a tune-up fight, just like the JMM fight. How many tune-up fights is he planning to do?
Exactly, he should be fighting Manny. Ortiz is more than a tune up, but nobody is demanding it.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
My issue with this is not that Floyd is fighting Ortiz but the timing of the announcement for the fight. He did this by revealing his fight with Juan Manuel Marquez the day before the Pacquiao-Hatton fight. The question that was brought up then (and I'm sure will be brought up again) was why he didn't wait for the conclusion of the Pacquiao fights and then fight Pac. Oh, the Ortiz bout is supposed to be a tune-up fight, just like the JMM fight. How many tune-up fights is he planning to do?
Ha that is a very good point.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
Nameless
One thing for sure: I could hardly get excited by the idea of that fight.
Why not? It's a great matchup and Ortiz is one of the most exciting fighters around.
Do you believe in the invincibility of Floyd Mayweather or something? He's only fought twice in 3 years and would have been 18 months out of the ring by the time that fight took place.
Unless you assume he's some kind of super human and judge him differently from all other fighters how could you possibly make the case that this is an unintersting routine comeback fight for him?
If he comes back after 18 months and goes straight to fighting Ortiz that would be a big risk.
I don't think he's a super human being and I absolutely do not contest the excitement Ortiz brings to the ring. However, Ortiz, despite his excitement, is miles behind Mayweather in matter of skills and speed and he doesn't have enough power, in my opinion, to seriously hurt Floyd. I see it as a 12 rounds boring UD for Floyd no matter what, perhaps I am too severe but it is really my impression.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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miles
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InTheNeutralCorner
My issue with this is not that Floyd is fighting Ortiz but the timing of the announcement for the fight. He did this by revealing his fight with Juan Manuel Marquez the day before the Pacquiao-Hatton fight. The question that was brought up then (and I'm sure will be brought up again) was why he didn't wait for the conclusion of the Pacquiao fights and then fight Pac. Oh, the Ortiz bout is supposed to be a tune-up fight, just like the JMM fight. How many tune-up fights is he planning to do?
Exactly, he should be fighting Manny. Ortiz is more than a tune up, but nobody is demanding it.
Agreed, the is only one fight out there for Floyd.
Once again Floyd helping his bank balance out with another easy win.
Ortiz is a good fighter, but thats all he is. He doesnt have enough to de-throne Floyd and take his 0.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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Nameless
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
Nameless
One thing for sure: I could hardly get excited by the idea of that fight.
Why not? It's a great matchup and Ortiz is one of the most exciting fighters around.
Do you believe in the invincibility of Floyd Mayweather or something? He's only fought twice in 3 years and would have been 18 months out of the ring by the time that fight took place.
Unless you assume he's some kind of super human and judge him differently from all other fighters how could you possibly make the case that this is an unintersting routine comeback fight for him?
If he comes back after 18 months and goes straight to fighting Ortiz that would be a big risk.
I don't think he's a super human being and I absolutely do not contest the excitement Ortiz brings to the ring. However, Ortiz, despite his excitement, is miles behind Mayweather in matter of skills and speed and he doesn't have enough power, in my opinion, to seriously hurt Floyd. I see it as a 12 rounds boring UD for Floyd no matter what, perhaps I am too severe but it is really my impression.
Ortiz has huge power! Even in his loss to Maidana he put him down two or three times and hes stopped virtually everyone in his career. He put Berto down at least twice, arguably and he floored Peterson as well.
Skillwise he has outboxed everyone he has foiught. You could question his heart following the Maidana loss but he's proven himself against Berto now imo.
Floyd wont have fought in 18 months by September. If he's going to fight Manny I'd want him to have at least one tough fight coming preparation for Manny Pacquiao.
Id love to see him fight Ortiz if it happens, cracking matchup.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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Originally Posted by
miles
It's a decent enough pairing, but Ortiz has only just made his mark. I would like to see him build his career more really. Mayweather should really be thinking about fighting nobody except the winner of the big fight this weekend.
So if by some miracle, the older, past his prime Mosley beats Pacman, Floyd should fight him again?
lol, wow. I'm a big fan of Ortiz right now but, if this fight were true, it's a super cake walk for Floyd. Ortiz brought heart, but he is no boxer. Floyd will pick him apart and counter every left hand Ortiz throws.
Not even remotely interested in that fight.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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porkypara
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mafiajoey
Don't jump down my back for assuming Box Rec always has the facts straight. But......they do have Floyd and Victor fighting on the 17th in Cowboys Stadium. Please tell me why Cowboys Stadium? Isn't this Arum's turf? And Victor and Floyd aren't connected or going to do favors for Arum. Anyone have any ideas?
Floyd will be lucky to sell 20000 tickets and the stadium will be look empty.
Floyds fights only sell well when he is faceing a well known big name.
Baldomir isn't a well known name and that fight sold fine, Marquez barely sold 4,000 tickets for his fight with Katsidis and his fight with Mayweather sold out, so don't come with that little golden line of bullshit
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
Ortiz was on the Kansas City Royals pregame last week. He was alot of fun on the show and I hope he does get a big payday.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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carpetrepairhouston
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miles
It's a decent enough pairing, but Ortiz has only just made his mark. I would like to see him build his career more really. Mayweather should really be thinking about fighting nobody except the winner of the big fight this weekend.
So if by some miracle, the older, past his prime Mosley beats Pacman, Floyd should fight him again?
lol, wow. I'm a big fan of Ortiz right now but, if this fight were true, it's a super cake walk for Floyd. Ortiz brought heart, but he is no boxer. Floyd will pick him apart and counter every left hand Ortiz throws.
Not even remotely interested in that fight.
If Mosley does that then I guess he has staked his claim again. The last fight left little to suggest that Mosley has the style to do anything against Floyd though.
I can't see Ortiz doing much against Floyd either. He has no jab and is prime for Floyds flush counters. It would likely be one sided and might even see Ortiz get stopped.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
I think this is all to do about nothing. Every great win a fighter has doesn't mean he's ready to fight floyd. People are so starved to see someone beat floyd that we can make a case for anyone doing it. Hell with the 24/7 floyd himself was even trying to help with convincing people he'd loose. Five minutes ago most were damn near saying ortiz should hang it up . Now he can beat floyd ? I guess peterson could too since he damn near beat ortiz recently. It's funny how with boxing fans that one loss makes you garbage but one win makes you damn near the greatest of all time. Bottom line, if peterson and maidana can find a way to beat ortiz, floyd sure a shit could probably in his sleep.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
If this fight comes off then I really don't see this being a very difficult fight for Mayweather. He thrives on aggressive fighters coming at him so he can counter. Ortiz is too green still.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
I dont have a problem with this fight. People were on about Pac man should be fighting Berto instead of Mosley. Ortiz just beat Berto in a great fight, and if the fight comes off, Floyd gets stick.
Would be a good warm up fight Ortiz is big and strong with a decent punch and is a southpaw like Manny.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
This Ortiz purported fight is all but a temperature check.... IMO.
A second one... if counting the Spadafora check as first... There is a danger to this tho, for if this nonesense of a fight somehow find a way to buy wheels, then the "little rascal" will have earned again himself millions without a sweat, courtesy of the smoke buying public, which also effectively and cunningly sidesteps the real fight that has public clamor. We all know what that fight is, and it's not the one against Spadafora!
Interesting note tho', Uncle Jeff Mayweather just recently stated in a write-up this week that boxing nowadays is the furthest from his nephew's mind...
Another one of those "Mayweather" gospel truths I guess... the kind that runs contrary with reality all the time.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
I dont get how most people thought that Berto was better for Pac than Mosley, but to some the thought of Mayweather fighting the man who beat Berto is terrible.
Also i've no idea about the authenticity of it but a quick google search suggests Roger Mayweather say's Floyd has a 'deal' with the Cowboy's stadiums owner.
Mayweather Targets Miguel Cotto, Victor Ortiz for Tune-Up Fight ...
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
I think it would be a fun fight to watch actually. I think Floyd would win, but i expect Ortiz to keep coming after him. So when the hell does Floyd plan on fighting Manny, Summer of 2012???? Let's get it on already!!
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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Originally Posted by
KananKrus
This Ortiz purported fight is all but a temperature check.... IMO.
A second one... if counting the Spadafora check as first... There is a danger to this tho, for if this nonesense of a fight somehow find a way to buy wheels, then the "little rascal" will have earned again himself millions without a sweat, courtesy of the smoke buying public, which also effectively and cunningly sidesteps the real fight that has public clamor. We all know what that fight is, and it's not the one against Spadafora!
Interesting note tho', Uncle Jeff Mayweather just recently stated in a write-up this week that boxing nowadays is the furthest from his nephew's mind...
Another one of those "Mayweather" gospel truths I guess... the kind that runs contrary with reality all the time.
that is one of my worries though. if people start buying this one as a floyd tune-up for the big one and it does well financially, i have this creeping feeling we'll hear another retirement announcement from him afterwards.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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LukeH
I dont get how most people thought that Berto was better for Pac than Mosley, but to some the thought of Mayweather fighting the man who beat Berto is terrible.
Also i've no idea about the authenticity of it but a quick google search suggests Roger Mayweather say's Floyd has a 'deal' with the Cowboy's stadiums owner.
Mayweather Targets Miguel Cotto, Victor Ortiz for Tune-Up Fight ...
If Mayweather agreed to fight Pacquiao in the second negotiation instead of taking a vacation, then there would not have been a need for another tune-up.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
We need to keep perspective on taking a Ortiz, who was giving little chance to get by Berto and kinda dismissed in career. He won that fight on resurgent grit, straight shots and heart along with Berto choking and there to have glaring flaws exposed all along. Great win and deserves mega payday but this is again Floyd riding Mannys media coat tails and Floyd picking through the pieces to keep his name in the now. Ortiz is still Ortiz in style and flaws himself. I think Floyd plays with him and then thumps his own chest the loudest, again.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
Say what you want about this, but it's a hell of a lot more legit than Pac/Mosley. Ortiz is a good young fighter, arguably in his prime and riding a huge win. Mosley was outclassed by Mayweather and put up such a horrible performance against Mora that even the biggest Mosley fans believe he's washed up.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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KKisser
that is one of my worries though. if people start buying this one as a floyd tune-up for the big one and it does well financially, i have this creeping feeling we'll hear another retirement announcement from him afterwards.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
i am a HUUUGGEEEEE mayweather fan.....but i take a big ass shit on this fight, ortiz is good, but he is not ripe yet, maybe it will do something for floods legacy once both of their careers are all wrapped up, but it does nothing for him now as ortiz is not exactly accomplished, i really wanna see manny vs floyd, i feel bad for osama, he will never got to see it
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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InTheNeutralCorner
Oh, the Ortiz bout is supposed to be a tune-up fight, just like the JMM fight. How many tune-up fights is he planning to do?
Well, it was a tune up to Pacquiao untill Manny shit his pants at the thought of drug testing. So he took on the same fighter that Manny is having to dust down as an opponent over a year later;D
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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Beanflicker
Say what you want about this, but it's a hell of a lot more legit than Pac/Mosley. Ortiz is a good young fighter, arguably in his prime and riding a huge win. Mosley was outclassed by Mayweather and put up such a horrible performance against Mora that even the biggest Mosley fans believe he's washed up.
I honestly feel Mosley would have beaten up Berto to. Ortiz deserves the big fight.....Mayweather needs to stop jerking his fans around I believe.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
Ortiz has no lateral movement whatsoever, I can't believe people think this would be a tough fight for Floyd.
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
Floyd on Ortiz?
Come on Ortiz is up and coming guy, i guess its to much for him for Floyd
I dont buy this shit yes hes younger maybe more stronger and heart, but again hes just average young coming up, coming up from a Bertos win? he he he
Imo i see another Floyd Jr.-Gatti in the making, and the worst case scenario ORTIZ will just quit.;D
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Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
Hate the idea of this fight, despite being a Mayweather fan. Getting tired of the run around. Point blank, its a foregone conclusion that Mayweather wants to pick Ortiz clean of his title. While I don't think that Ortiz should be protected, He's the type of fighter that Boxing needs with a title right now. A guy that stepped up to a challenge worked on his game, found his heart and was rewarded richly for it.
Mayweather right now is not what boxing needs.. he gets the belt which is enough to keep him in a pound for pound running while he retires with it and sits around idle for another few months, talking crap from behind a webcam. I'd be in no rush to see this ones.. given how this waters down everything even further. Sorry Floyd, wake me when you're serious about sticking around or making a statement besides "Hi remember me?"