Rico Ramos vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux - friday night fight thread

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A Jr. featherweight title bout for us fans from Vegas tonight, no ESPN FNF this week.

Jan. 20
At Las Vegas (Showtime): Rico Ramos vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux, 12 rounds, for Ramos' WBA junior featherweight title; Guy Robb vs. Joel Diaz, 8 rounds, junior lightweights; Matt Villanueva vs. Michael Ruiz Jr., 6 or 8 rounds, junior bantamweights; Javier Molina vs. TBA, 6 or 8 rounds, welterweights.
I've seen both Ramos and Rigondeaux fight, but can't recall much about it, hopefully we get a good one. :alcoholic:

I don't know much about Ramos, but Rigondeaux has been fairly impressive relative to all the hype heaped upon him.

Rico Ramos is the man! Def will be tuning in for this one.

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I don't know much about Ramos, but Rigondeaux has been fairly impressive relative to all the hype heaped upon him.

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According to BoxRec:
Guillermo Rigondeaux - Boxer

Guillermo Rigondeaux was another Cuban amateur who defected and turned pro along with Erislandy Lara in 2007. Rigondeaux only has an 8-0 record with 6 KO's as a pro, but claims over 400 wins as a Cuban amateur, and he's already 31 years old.

Rico Ramos is 20-0 as a pro with 11 KO's, he won the WBA Jr. FW title from Akifumi Shimoda via 7th round KO in July of last year, and will be defending it for the first time against Rigondeaux.
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...7374&cat=boxer

On paper it sounds like it should be a hell of a fight, hell, I might have to have a brew or 2. :drinker:

if you're in a hurry, go straight to minute 2:11 but if not enjoy the show


Akifumi Shimoda vs Rico Ramos - Round 7 - YouTube

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if you're in a hurry, go straight to minute 2:11 but if not enjoy the show


Akifumi Shimoda vs Rico Ramos - Round 7 - YouTube

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Meh, I'm not impressed by that. The stoppage was nice, but he looked sloppy before that and the HBO crew only had given him one round to that point. I didn't see anything that makes me think he'll be a threat to Rigondeaux. But, that's just one round of one fight, so it's hard to draw any real conclusions either way.

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Akifumi Shimoda vs Rico Ramos - Round 7 -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64ppL...ature=youtu.be

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I remember that fight now, Ramos was pretty much getting schooled by Shimoda in the first 6 rounds, then caught up with him in the 7th, a beautiful left hook that put Shimoda's lights out.

Rigondeaux figures to be a tough fight for Ramos, so we shall see.

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Akifumi Shimoda vs Rico Ramos - Round 7 - YouTube

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Meh, I'm not impressed by that. The stoppage was nice, but he looked sloppy before that and the HBO crew only had given him one round to that point. I didn't see anything that makes me think he'll be a threat to Rigondeaux. But, that's just one round of one fight, so it's hard to draw any real conclusions either way.

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Rigondeaux is a hell of a lot better fighter than Shimoda, Ramos can't afford to get behind on the cards this time.

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Akifumi Shimoda vs Rico Ramos - Round 7 - YouTube

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Meh, I'm not impressed by that. The stoppage was nice, but he looked sloppy before that and the HBO crew only had given him one round to that point. I didn't see anything that makes me think he'll be a threat to Rigondeaux. But, that's just one round of one fight, so it's hard to draw any real conclusions either way.

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I'll go out on a limb and say this before the Ramos fight, Rigandeaux should dominate Ramos and anyone else at 122, not named Nonito Donaire. I see Rigandeaux beating Nishioka (toughest at 122 outside of Donaire), Poonsawat or Shimoda. That doesn't mean I don't want to see Donaire face Nishioka etc., just that in my opinion, the true best fight in the lighter weight classes is between Donaire and Rigandeaux. Rigandeaux is the real deal.

I read an interview with Dan Goosen (who promotes Ramos), where he more or less conceded that Ramos needs a KO to win. I agree with that assessment. He looked bad against Shimoda (though, to be fair, that's the only time I've seen him fight).

I haven't seen enough of Rigondeaux to jump on the bandwagon with rantcatrat yet but, like everyone else, I've read the obligatory reference to him being "one of the greatest amateur fighters of all time" every time his name is mentioned in an article -- so what you say/predict is not implausible w/r/t the rest of the division.

Hopefully he looks spectacular and Nonito fights him next before going to 126.

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I read an interview with Dan Goosen (who promotes Ramos), where he more or less conceded that Ramos needs a KO to win. I agree with that assessment. He looked bad against Shimoda (though, to be fair, that's the only time I've seen him fight).

I haven't seen enough of Rigondeaux to jump on the bandwagon with rantcatrat yet but, like everyone else, I've read the obligatory reference to him being "one of the greatest amateur fighters of all time" every time his name is mentioned in an article -- so what you say/predict is not implausible w/r/t the rest of the division.

Hopefully he looks spectacular and Nonito fights him next before going to 126.

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That is my point. Although I like the Nishioka fight and I believe it could be great exposure for Donaire in the Asian boxing community, the real challenge at 122 in my opinion is Rigandeaux. I could be wrong though. Ramos is a decent test and I'm exicted to watch it on Friday.

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I read an interview with Dan Goosen (who promotes Ramos), where he more or less conceded that Ramos needs a KO to win. I agree with that assessment. He looked bad against Shimoda (though, to be fair, that's the only time I've seen him fight).

I haven't seen enough of Rigondeaux to jump on the bandwagon with rantcatrat yet but, like everyone else, I've read the obligatory reference to him being "one of the greatest amateur fighters of all time" every time his name is mentioned in an article -- so what you say/predict is not implausible w/r/t the rest of the division.

Hopefully he looks spectacular and Nonito fights him next before going to 126.

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Ramos must have some confidence in himself or know something, because he chose Rigondeaux as his next opponent. I respect Ramos for fighting the best, and hope he does well, i'm not a big fan of Castro's boys who defect to the U.S..

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I read an interview with Dan Goosen (who promotes Ramos), where he more or less conceded that Ramos needs a KO to win. I agree with that assessment. He looked bad against Shimoda (though, to be fair, that's the only time I've seen him fight).

I haven't seen enough of Rigondeaux to jump on the bandwagon with rantcatrat yet but, like everyone else, I've read the obligatory reference to him being "one of the greatest amateur fighters of all time" every time his name is mentioned in an article -- so what you say/predict is not implausible w/r/t the rest of the division.

Hopefully he looks spectacular and Nonito fights him next before going to 126.

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Ramos must have some confidence in himself or know something, because he chose Rigondeaux as his next opponent. I respect Ramos for fighting the best, and hope he does well, i'm not a big fan of Castro's boys who defect to the U.S..

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Much respect for him. He also just came off of a risky fight against Shimoda. He just appears over his head here. You never know though...

Some will think i'm crazy, but after teddy atlas making rigondeaux seem like jesus and a prime ali mixed in one i payed attention to the guy and im sorry i just don't see it. The guy is good maybe even a little better than he record but i wouldn't be surprised at all to see ramos beat him. We'll win cause this should be a decent scrap

Rico seemed, nervous but SHimoda was basically running and throwing shots, it took awhile for Ramos to change gears, but he seemed like a much more well rounded fighter than SHimoda. He also sparred against Rigondeaux back at the wildcard gym, and got kind of famous for saying that he didn't feel Rigondeaux was overally special when they sparred. I think they are both very talented and it should be a good fight, though I obviously favor Rigondeaux.

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i'm not a big fan of Castro's boys who defect to the U.S..

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Why? They should be stuck making no money for their talents just because they happen to have been born in a dictatorship?

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i'm not a big fan of Castro's boys who defect to the U.S..

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Why? They should be stuck making no money for their talents just because they happen to have been born in a dictatorship?

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I don't give a fuck what they do, as far as i'm concerned they shouldn't be allowed in this country. Send them back to Cuba and Castro. If you've got a problem with that quite frankly, I don't want to hear it.

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i'm not a big fan of Castro's boys who defect to the U.S..

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Why? They should be stuck making no money for their talents just because they happen to have been born in a dictatorship?

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I don't give a fuck what they do, as far as i'm concerned they shouldn't be allowed in this country. Send them back to Cuba and Castro. If you've got a problem with that quite frankly, I don't want to hear it.

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More informed and thoughtful commentary from you. Par for the course. Are they taking American boxing jobs? Is that the issue? Lol.

I am glad I don't have to spend much time in bumfuck Texas.

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i'm not a big fan of Castro's boys who defect to the U.S..

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Why? They should be stuck making no money for their talents just because they happen to have been born in a dictatorship?

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I don't give a fuck what they do, as far as i'm concerned they shouldn't be allowed in this country. Send them back to Cuba and Castro. If you've got a problem with that quite frankly, I don't want to hear it.

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More informed and thoughtful commentary from you. Par for the course. Are they taking American boxing jobs? Is that the issue? Lol.

I am glad I don't have to spend much time in bumfuck Texas.

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Instead of hijacking this "boxing" thread why don't you start one of your own, in the "lets get it on" section.

Hmm, interesting. The U.S. takes in Cubans as a spite to Castro. So Rigondeaux is far from one of Castro's boys, actually quite the opposite. Their defection is a perfectly legal process here in the United States. Odd.

Anyways, I'm big on Rico Ramos but it will take a KO against Rigondeaux and unfortunately I don't see it happening.

I don't know why SHOBOX comes on so fucking late Friday night, the Rico Ramos - Rigondeaux card starts @ 11:00 PM ET here in North America.

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Hmm, interesting. The U.S. takes in Cubans as a spite to Castro. So Rigondeaux is far from one of Castro's boys, actually quite the opposite. Their defection is a perfectly legal process here in the United States. Odd.

Anyways, I'm big on Rico Ramos but it will take a KO against Rigondeaux and unfortunately I don't see it happening.

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For what's it's worth, Rigondeaux defected to the U.S. in July 2007, a month later he decided to return home to Cuba.
In February 2009, Rigondeaux defected again, but only after Cuban leader Fidel Castro stated that Rigondeaux would not box again for the Cuban team because of the 2007 defection. So basically he's back in the U.S., only because he was rejected by Castro and can't fight on the Cuban team.

Having said that, i'd like to see this thread be about the fight tomorrow night, Rigondeaux figures to be too much for Rico, but i'd love to see the upset.

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Hmm, interesting. The U.S. takes in Cubans as a spite to Castro. So Rigondeaux is far from one of Castro's boys, actually quite the opposite. Their defection is a perfectly legal process here in the United States. Odd.

Anyways, I'm big on Rico Ramos but it will take a KO against Rigondeaux and unfortunately I don't see it happening.

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I heard Rigondeaux was knocked out in the gym with head gear on, Ramos has shown he can punch so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him score the KO!

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Hmm, interesting. The U.S. takes in Cubans as a spite to Castro. So Rigondeaux is far from one of Castro's boys, actually quite the opposite. Their defection is a perfectly legal process here in the United States. Odd.

Anyways, I'm big on Rico Ramos but it will take a KO against Rigondeaux and unfortunately I don't see it happening.

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I heard Rigondeaux was knocked out in the gym with head gear on, Ramos has shown he can punch so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him score the KO!

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Where did you hear that?

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Hmm, interesting. The U.S. takes in Cubans as a spite to Castro. So Rigondeaux is far from one of Castro's boys, actually quite the opposite. Their defection is a perfectly legal process here in the United States. Odd.

Anyways, I'm big on Rico Ramos but it will take a KO against Rigondeaux and unfortunately I don't see it happening.

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I heard Rigondeaux was knocked out in the gym with head gear on, Ramos has shown he can punch so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him score the KO!

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Where did you hear that?

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RingTV audio show, not sure how to put the link in here, around the 22:15 mark, they said thats why he's not training with Roach

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Hmm, interesting. The U.S. takes in Cubans as a spite to Castro. So Rigondeaux is far from one of Castro's boys, actually quite the opposite. Their defection is a perfectly legal process here in the United States. Odd.

Anyways, I'm big on Rico Ramos but it will take a KO against Rigondeaux and unfortunately I don't see it happening.

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I heard Rigondeaux was knocked out in the gym with head gear on, Ramos has shown he can punch so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him score the KO!

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Where did you hear that?

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RingTV audio show, not sure how to put the link in here, around the 22:15 mark, they said thats why he's not training with Roach

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Interesting. I still don't think Ramos has anything to trouble him, but it doesn't bode well for his future if true.

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i'm not a big fan of Castro's boys who defect to the U.S..

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Why? They should be stuck making no money for their talents just because they happen to have been born in a dictatorship?

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I don't give a fuck what they do, as far as i'm concerned they shouldn't be allowed in this country. Send them back to Cuba and Castro. If you've got a problem with that quite frankly, I don't want to hear it.

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Why do you post such bullshit then Mars? Anyone who isn't a dumb hick is going to have a problem with the kind of sentiment you throw around sometimes. If you don't want to hear why, then don't post yourself;)

Looking forward to this fight. Quality match-up and sorts out the WBA mess at the sametime. Rigo KO win for me.

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i'm not a big fan of Castro's boys who defect to the U.S..

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Why? They should be stuck making no money for their talents just because they happen to have been born in a dictatorship?

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I don't give a fuck what they do, as far as i'm concerned they shouldn't be allowed in this country. Send them back to Cuba and Castro. If you've got a problem with that quite frankly, I don't want to hear it.

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Why do you post such bullshit then Mars? Anyone who isn't a dumb hick is going to have a problem with the kind of sentiment you throw around sometimes. If you don't want to hear why, then don't post yourself;)

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It's my opinion, if you don't like it don't read it, BTW, this thread is about the fight tonight, can we stick to that?

If you and Shza want to start a thread about Castro, Cuba, defectors, how i'm a dumb hick, what a shithole Texas is, please take it to "lets get it on" and bash away.

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Hmm, interesting. The U.S. takes in Cubans as a spite to Castro. So Rigondeaux is far from one of Castro's boys, actually quite the opposite. Their defection is a perfectly legal process here in the United States. Odd.

Anyways, I'm big on Rico Ramos but it will take a KO against Rigondeaux and unfortunately I don't see it happening.

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I heard Rigondeaux was knocked out in the gym with head gear on, Ramos has shown he can punch so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him score the KO!

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Where did you hear that?

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RingTV audio show, not sure how to put the link in here, around the 22:15 mark, they said thats why he's not training with Roach

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What date? Is it public?

Rigondeaux has waaaay too much in the way of amatuer instincts. His reaction time, punch selection and all that is great, he just disappears for long periods though. Where's his one nuthugger? Who was that?

At any rate he should win this pretty comfortably. Ramos won't be able to do anything until the final rounds, but I don't think he'll be able to land anything meaningful. I hope I'm wrong, I think a loss would turn Rigondeaux into an excellent pro.

The Ramos - Rigondeaux card starts tonight in about 3 1/2 hours or @ 11:00 PM ET here in North America. Since it's on SHOBOX, i'm sure they'll show at least one undercard fight, the main event may not start until midnight ET.

Jan. 20
At Las Vegas (Showtime): Rico Ramos vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux, 12 rounds, for Ramos' WBA junior featherweight title; Guy Robb vs. Joel Diaz, 8 rounds, junior lightweights; Matt Villanueva vs. Michael Ruiz Jr., 6 or 8 rounds, junior bantamweights; Javier Molina vs. TBA, 6 or 8 rounds, welterweights.

I just hope its a good fight.

I'm getting ready to go over to the Palms for the fights in a little bit!! I'm so glad that there happened to be fights during the time I was coming here to Vegas. I never get to go to fights in bumfuck Ohio.

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The Ramos - Rigondeaux card starts tonight in about 3 1/2 hours or @ 11:00 PM ET here in North America. Since it's on SHOBOX, i'm sure they'll show at least one undercard fight, the main event may not start until midnight ET.

Jan. 20
At Las Vegas (Showtime): Rico Ramos vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux, 12 rounds, for Ramos' WBA junior featherweight title; Guy Robb vs. Joel Diaz, 8 rounds, junior lightweights; Matt Villanueva vs. Michael Ruiz Jr., 6 or 8 rounds, junior bantamweights; Javier Molina vs. TBA, 6 or 8 rounds, welterweights.

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Why is it starting so late? I don't get it here until midnight (2 AM ET)

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The Ramos - Rigondeaux card starts tonight in about 3 1/2 hours or @ 11:00 PM ET here in North America. Since it's on SHOBOX, i'm sure they'll show at least one undercard fight, the main event may not start until midnight ET.

Jan. 20
At Las Vegas (Showtime): Rico Ramos vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux, 12 rounds, for Ramos' WBA junior featherweight title; Guy Robb vs. Joel Diaz, 8 rounds, junior lightweights; Matt Villanueva vs. Michael Ruiz Jr., 6 or 8 rounds, junior bantamweights; Javier Molina vs. TBA, 6 or 8 rounds, welterweights.

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Why is it starting so late? I don't get it here until midnight (2 AM ET)

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I know. The most annoying thing is that both HBO and Showtime don't play the HD versions of their fights live on the West Coast, so it will start at 11pm (also 2am ET). I could watch it in non-HD live as early as 8pm, but that looks pretty crappy on a 50-inch screen.

It's especially annoying because whatever they're playing at 8pm in HD (a movie) is available 24/7 on OnDemand anyway.

This all but assures I'll already be drunk by the time the undercard starts and will be lazy about scoring the fights.

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The Ramos - Rigondeaux card starts tonight in about 3 1/2 hours or @ 11:00 PM ET here in North America. Since it's on SHOBOX, i'm sure they'll show at least one undercard fight, the main event may not start until midnight ET.

Jan. 20
At Las Vegas (Showtime): Rico Ramos vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux, 12 rounds, for Ramos' WBA junior featherweight title; Guy Robb vs. Joel Diaz, 8 rounds, junior lightweights; Matt Villanueva vs. Michael Ruiz Jr., 6 or 8 rounds, junior bantamweights; Javier Molina vs. TBA, 6 or 8 rounds, welterweights.

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Why is it starting so late? I don't get it here until midnight (2 AM ET)

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I know. The most annoying thing is that both HBO and Showtime don't play the HD versions of their fights live on the West Coast, so it will start at 11pm (also 2am ET). I could watch it in non-HD live as early as 8pm, but that looks pretty crappy on a 50-inch screen.

It's especially annoying because whatever they're playing at 8pm in HD (a movie) is available 24/7 on OnDemand anyway.

This all but assures I'll already be drunk by the time the undercard starts and will be lazy about scoring the fights.

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At least HBO has an east coast feed.

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The Ramos - Rigondeaux card starts tonight in about 3 1/2 hours or @ 11:00 PM ET here in North America. Since it's on SHOBOX, i'm sure they'll show at least one undercard fight, the main event may not start until midnight ET.

Jan. 20
At Las Vegas (Showtime): Rico Ramos vs. Guillermo Rigondeaux, 12 rounds, for Ramos' WBA junior featherweight title; Guy Robb vs. Joel Diaz, 8 rounds, junior lightweights; Matt Villanueva vs. Michael Ruiz Jr., 6 or 8 rounds, junior bantamweights; Javier Molina vs. TBA, 6 or 8 rounds, welterweights.

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Why is it starting so late? I don't get it here until midnight (2 AM ET)

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I know. The most annoying thing is that both HBO and Showtime don't play the HD versions of their fights live on the West Coast, so it will start at 11pm (also 2am ET). I could watch it in non-HD live as early as 8pm, but that looks pretty crappy on a 50-inch screen.

It's especially annoying because whatever they're playing at 8pm in HD (a movie) is available 24/7 on OnDemand anyway.

This all but assures I'll already be drunk by the time the undercard starts and will be lazy about scoring the fights.

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At least HBO has an east coast feed.

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But not an HD one. Unless you're on the East Coast (I assume).

West coast will see it on tape delay. It is being shown live at 11:00 Eastern Time. So west coasters, find a stream to watch it at 8:00 PT. :-\

The card starts here at 6:00.

Heading out the door. See ya there. ;)

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I just hope its a good fight.

I'm getting ready to go over to the Palms for the fights in a little bit!! I'm so glad that there happened to be fights during the time I was coming here to Vegas. I never get to go to fights in bumfuck Ohio.

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Be sure to give us an update after the fight Diane. :woot22:

cheers

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West coast will see it on tape delay. It is being shown live at 11:00 Eastern Time. So west coasters, find a stream to watch it at 8:00 PT. :-\

The card starts here at 6:00.

Heading out the door. See ya there. ;)

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Have fun!

But I'm going to wait the three hours so it doesn't look like crap. Nowhere near desperate enough to watch a crappy stream on a laptop when I'm paying for Showtime HD on a big plasma screen. I'll just avoid the coverage and commentary in the meantime.