I believe he did, He had a trainer for that fight that was known for it. Plus, His punches sounded hella different and his body as well. A Simple Yes or No.
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I believe he did, He had a trainer for that fight that was known for it. Plus, His punches sounded hella different and his body as well. A Simple Yes or No.
NO
Okay, Can we get a Non Hispanic to answer this?
Would this have been an issue if marquez lost?
Or if it was a different opponent?
What is driving this?
It's a joke man, Do not take it too serious. I know you from back in the day. I just believe differently from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
It's offensive to even bring this up. Marquez has always been one of the stand up guys in Boxing with one of the cleanest fighting style so why accuse now?
IF anything, he should have juiced up in his biggest test against Floyd.. WHy stay clean for the best fighter in the world while juicing against a fighter who he already beat 3x..
Anybody who juices would not feel the need to drink his own piss. Now that's just over doing it lol.
I saw alot of Marquez' training sessions leading up to the 4th pacquiao fight and he practiced that right hand over and over again on the pads. His right hand made this scary popping sound that ive never heard from him before and that power came from added muscles and the fact that he totally sat down on his punches.
YOu really think steroids make you punch harder? lol Muscles can be added easily and when you are already a good puncher, it's not that difficult to increase your power.
Marquez' punching power comes from technique, timing and punch placement that the one that landed on Pacquiao couldnt have been more picture perfect. What made it even more devastating was the fact that Pacquiao RAN into it and when you run into a punch u dont see, you are going to sleep..
Steroids aint got shit to do with this KO.
Okay, The guy tried to drink his own piss to gain a edge, But that did not work so now he employed a guy who is world known for his steroids.... Sorry if you think this is ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Yes he did, as PAC had in his previous fights. The fact PAC would not take the test after PBF accusations gave JMM a free pass to cheat just like the Pacman.
so PAC has credibility cheating on wife, gambling, roughing up citizens for votes and avoiding drug tests ... ? Please remove Pacs nut sack from your possessionQuote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoyOkay, The guy tried to drink his own piss to gain a edge, But that did not work so now he employed a guy who is world known for his steroids.... Sorry if you think this is ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
FYI Ariza is no stranger to juicing. The minute PAC stopped listening to him he went downhill . Roach is luckiest freeloader to make HOF.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy
I'm convinced pretty much every boxer (and every athlete in general) is using, so I'm sure Marquez is too. Oddly enough, PBF is one of the few guys I believe is being honest, though I'm sure he takes all kinds of non-steroid shady shit.
I think he did, I actually think a good number of them do.
people are always talking about how JMM bulked up for that PAC fight.
it wasn't roids. it was implants. i can't believe you couldn't tell CountryBoy!
Nah don't think so because he actually looked less than stellar prior to the ko, who knows maybe that was the plan to get pac to overcommit...but if he's using then he's just using what everyone else is using and not some magic drug that makes ya knock pac out.
A guy who has never lifted weights before lifts weights... noobs act amazed when his physique is different... :rolleyes:
THIS.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Seriously, there is nothing that changed that couldn't be easily explained by natural changes/improvements, specifically LIFTING WEIGHTS. He didn't become a 220lb bodybuilder. He put on a few pounds of muscle (which on a small frame with low bodyfat makes a big difference) which is perfectly achievable in that time span with purely natural weight training.
*Note, I'm not categorically saying he didn't take anything, but that there is NO evidence that he did.
I heard he also takes a concoction of drugs to mask his HIV so that he can pass it on to desperate fighters looking for a pay day... despicable.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I don't think he did.
No I don't think he did and all we can do is look at the fact that he passed his PED tests. What is the point of the thread? This was a year ago already. Are we trying the Lance Armstrong the crap outta Marquez?
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
So true.
Everyone that improves their physique is on roids.
I know its a joke but answer the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoyIt's a joke man, Do not take it too serious. I know you from back in the day. I just believe differently from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
If marquez would have lost (as pac was winning before the devasting ko) would we even be asking this?
Lets ask the question why manny pac head size has increased 40% since he fought diaz in 2008!
Marquez would never have knocked out manny in the previous fights as his head was too small but he couldnt miss it this time.
It's certainly possible, but if you believe in that criteria for finding guilt, why do you not suspect Pacquaio, who all of a sudden jumped 3 weight classes in 2 years comfortably?
It's by this logic that I suspect both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Here's a homework assignment for anyone who doesn't feel that these guys should be suspected of PEDs.
Go on a bodybuilding forum and tell them you want to put on 15lbs of muscle, but you're not interested in using steroids or anything like that. You'll get a wealth of suggestions and tips.
Among those tips, you will NOT find "run X miles a day". You won't find "start jumping rope" or "start doing wind sprints".
Why? Because endurance training (which is a LARGE part of what boxing trailing entails) is not conducive to bulking up. It is totally counter-productive. When a bodybuilder is bulking up, he eats a ton, he lifts heavy weights for low reps, and he makes sure to get lots of rest and sleep. He doesn't do a ton of roadwork and endurance-building activity.
So when you see a guy, out of the blue, suddenly bulk up 10, 15, 20lbs while maintaining the incredible aerobic training schedule that a boxing camp entails, that's suspect. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not normal.
He's definitely taking stuff. He ignored all the calls to do random testing before the last Manny fight after he did some public workouts and there were a lot of people questioning whether he could look like that without PEDs. The he promised to do random testing with a proper testing organisation for all future fights and so did Heredia but they still haven't done so.
This is true...the only thing that had to do with this ko was a lucky punch. He wasn't even looking where he was throwing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Neither was Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by 15rounder
GROUND CONTROL TO MAJOR PACQUIAO, COME IN MAJOR PACQUIAO.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...
#1, i'm just trying to get under the dudes skin...especially since he's one of those "marquez beat pac 3 times" guys...get the fuck outta town
#2, I do find it funny that after whining, pissing and moaning for a 3rd and 4th fight (which pac didn't have to give him), he's staying extremely silent on a 5th
I'll go with Eric Morales opinion on this.
The 4th fight was the only fight where there was no doubt who the winner was. The matter has been concluded. No point in having a 5th fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by 15rounder
Tarver and Danny Garcia also appeared to have their eyes closed when they scored the greatest knockouts..Quote:
Originally Posted by 15rounderThis is true...the only thing that had to do with this ko was a lucky punch. He wasn't even looking where he was throwing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
It's a split second reaction and you would know exactly what IM talking about if you've boxed before. When a fighter puts everything into a single punch, he's also exposing himself to a counter attack which means he had to throw exactly at his intended target.
On cameria,It only appears as though they closed their eyes but they really didnt. If you could watch those sequences in super slow motion, you'd see that the eyes closed at the point of impact.
They had their eyes locked on the target all the way through.
Lucky? Marquez had been trying for the counter overhand right all night!... He'd dropped pac with it, hurt him with it and tried for it several other times when Pac was sharp enough to step back just out of harms way. If Pac and Roach had picked up on it then maybe he wouldn't have put himself in it's way AGAIN... maybe it wouldn't have been goodnight Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by 15rounderThis is true...the only thing that had to do with this ko was a lucky punch. He wasn't even looking where he was throwing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Marquez didn't want it to go to the judges (he'd get robbed, again)... That's why he was behind in my opinion, his only goal was connecting on pac's chin with that counter right. End of story.
Where did you get 15lbs of muscle from ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
In the 3rd fight
Manny - 143
Juan - 142
In the 4th fight
Manny - 147
Juan -143
1 lb then for Marquez as opposed to 4 lb for Pacquiao
For the first fight at feather they were both 125lbs but that was 2004. That was 9 years ago so suddenly bulking up is a myth.
22 lbs for Manny
18 lbs for Juan
over 9 years.
Or is it the pound of muscle Marquez put on in a year between fight 3 and 4 ?
Sounds perfectly Normal. 15 lbs is not normal but then presumably that was just pulled out of the ether. :confused:
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThe 4th fight was the only fight where there was no doubt who the winner was. The matter has been concluded. No point in having a 5th fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by 15rounder
Even Marquez admitted that Pac one the first fight.
LOL Of course he did. What would you think if a convicted pedo teacher changed his name and started working in schools again? Or you were a fireman and realize that the new guy at work was an arsonist who had been just been released from jail? And I know that "you can't compare a guy just selling juice to meatheads to that kind of shit" so what about a meth cook on parole caught inside a chemist at night after hours - "I just fell through the roof mate..." People are entitled to the opinions but come on its right in your fucking face. Now I know that those examples aren't water tight because as soon as somebody discovered who these cunts were they'd be out of the job and on the news - but that's exactly where the problem lies. So what if these pieces of shit have to make a living? In other professions and trades you'd lose your license following a conviction related to your field of expertise. Most professional associations here in Australia won't even except you if you've been convicted of any crime within a minimum 5 year period. What's worse you've got these fucking dickheads like Victor Conte not only openly working with athletes again but openly bragging that the anti-doping systems are a joke, giving these little cheeky interviews bragging about all their "past" exploits and how easy it would be to do it all over again - except that they never would because they've suddenly "changed". It's fucking ridiculous. South Park storyline type shit. Then you get these fucking idiots pushing lame philosophical arguments about how if something smells like shit, looks like shit and tastes like shit it might not necessarily be shit - just a placebo with all the properties of said shit conveniently placed there by coincidence for no apparent reason. I remember when Manny wouldn't take the tests every forum had twenty page threads that would descend into what came first: the chicken or the egg? Or some thesis on quantum fucking physics. I remember some guy brought up an example of a cop telling a driver to do a blood alcohol test and lo and behold mental midgets literally started quoting legislation and debating civil rights. And yeh bringing up a fighter's public image to defend them against any accusations is fucking dumb as well. Imagine if Floyd was the one who refused to be tested?
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Originally Posted by CountryBoy
He gained a pound from the 3rd fight. He chiseled his body but he's a little guy so it looks much more extreme. Not sure how a guy uses juice and keeps his weight within a pound?
All trainers know about the juice not just his.
The punch was as perfect as a punch could possibly be and probably would have stopped a lot of people
a division or two north.
I don't understand how any true boxing fan can view that punch as luck or a result of taking steroids.
It was simply sweet science at its finest.
Some fans will reach for anything to justify a fighter's loss.
It hurts too much to accept that manny got knocked out for the 2nd time.
It could happen to anyone.
Floyd could easily get caught and his 0 is gone forever in the canelo fight.
Great fighters loose and come back even better and it will be interesting to see how pacman performs in his next fight against rios.
Pac could be better than he was even at this stage in his career but only against a certain type of opponent.
I wish pac would start his own promotion company and get 100% of the money he deserves rather than having so many managers and hangers on.
this!Quote:
Originally Posted by jahmez