UK - Council and European Election

My main point in a non-lucid form was simply that we all have strategies for surviving in a very unfair and harsh world. Many people invest in a wide variety of forms and in the UK property ownership (or mostly lifetime servitude to a bank) is seen as a particular mantra. Now I could simply attack anyone who owns property and say that is a terribly immoral thing considering that property goes up in value at a pace outstripping wages and thus in the long run means that young people are excluded from such a market. An average person for instance is never going to own a home in London. However, my point is simply that hedging ones interests and protecting themselves should never be the basis of a personal attack which is what you do sometimes against me. Like any sensible person, I hedge my interests in a variety of forms (crypto currencies are my latest interest). The only thing I don't invest in is property, but I should. It would be strange for me to say to ordinary people 'You own some shares! You own a house! You have a savings account! You have several credit cards! You own Bitcoin! You are sinister!' It's just weird.

On the topic of homes I don't mind people having homes to live in. Of course everyone deserves one. Where I am against property ownership though is when one buys just to rent out as I believe that leads to inequality and we see it today with so many owning multiple properties and many young people renting at rates almost akin to a mortgage payment except they simply cannot afford the deposit. That is neither here nor there though.

I think Help to Buy is terrible scheme and nobody that takes on a mortgage of half a million pounds should really need any help. It is a scheme that is designed to ingratiate Cameron's friends and win him votes if he can keep it going another year or two. It is a terrible scheme. Now, I could understand a policy to bring down housing costs to help young people, but I cannot understand this particular scheme. As soon as interest rates go up you are putting a lot of money on the government books and the nation is broke already. Just as RBS is facing 100bn in a black hole of debt, government backing mortgages is kamikaze and you know the logistics. You don't fix a country with a housing bubble in a time of incredible inequality. It is irresponsibility, and despite being such an enemy, I don't want the consequences to occur, but it is very predictable.

The reason I have to resign as head of my party is because of my strange offer to buy half a country and after having checked my piggy bank is just not possible. I am able to do things like buy a new Playstation game and take short trips overseas, but the UK is really beyond my reach. In fact, it's one of the reasons I don't come home as it bankrupts me each time. Just flying there is so so expensive. It could really do with 25 years of recession like Japan just to make it normal in terms of costs. Horribly expensive. It's one of the main reasons I will probably never come back. It is not a hatred or being the enemy. It is simply that what I do well means being elsewhere and like millions of other young people, I cannot afford to stay there. I can't pay 22.5% VAT every time I buy something and be independent and pay council taxes and the bills and run a car and so on. Neither can most British people. Life is cheaper and easier elsewhere and a little bit less communist, despite such gross inequality.

I am sorry Walrus and Ryanman. I have resigned as leader as I know I cannot buy nation states. I am not like America/Britain and their purchase of the Ukraine. I know silliness when I see it. I am happy to run in a re-election campaign, but as things stand I have lost confidence in myself.

I will make one further point as non-leader. Listening to several Farage interviews recently, I actually agree with him on a lot of issues. He seems to be awake, doesn't have his head in the sand, and speaks a LOT more sense than the mainstream parties. They live in clouds, they don't interview outside of home turf. They are frauds. Farage will interview anywhere and seems to be the real deal. He is like many of us. Sure, you won't agree on everything, but for me, as a none left or right person, he speaks sense. I had always assumed UKIP to be a 2 point party, but Farage makes a lot of sense covering a wide spectrum. Several years ago he called Obama a dangerous man, for instance. Now would any British politician say that? No, of course not. Farage speaks to ordinary people. We ALL know Obama is a dangerous man. We all know that the EU is a new Soviet Union in the making. So why does nobody else stand up for it? Because they are bought and paid for.

Farage really wants to make a difference and won't sell out. Milliband who doesn't know how much he spends on shopping? Cameron with a foreign Napalese nanny? Or Farage with a foreign wife, but who knows the score with immigration and isn't a lifetime politician. I think UKIP is valid and I will try to vote for them. It is correct, moral, and just. I have nothing in common with the other parties.

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This thread has made me so angry that I have to resign. I cannot keep having the same attacks made against me by complete hypocrites. It gets personal and aggressive and over a state which is killing both of us and I am tired of it. I am the 'cunt' and the 'enemy' and it is gibberish. If the state was taken away people would learn self reliance and that is a good thing, but instead on here it is Tory, Tory, Tory and from people who buy property and defend immigration which brings down standards for all. They are the defenders of Toryism.

It is on that basis that I resign. I have nothing more to say. My goal is achieved.

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What are you resigning from

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I have resigned from the Gandalf as God party. I don't want to resign, but I cannot hide my conflict of interest. I love the UK a lot, but made an offer to buy half the country, and it was simply delusional and I cannot buy a country that will just buy itself with made up derivatives. I live in the real world and I cannot compete with outright fraud which will ultimately destroy a nation.

I ask for a new election and maybe I can get back my position, and I hope so, but I am more honest than Mark Carney who is actually responsible for destroying more than one economy. I hope he gets called a cunt too.

Mark Carney is a name that should be known by all. He is the architect of the doomed UK economy. Nigel Farage is a saint compared to this man and everyone gets attacked here, but Carney. I sense disconnect amongst so called intelligent English people. MARK CARNEY. Remember, and then recall fat Dave who is complicit.

Blair, Cameron, Carney, Milliband (preemptive y'all). All in the Hague.

I am not giving up my soul and that is why I am fighting back. My threads and honesty are going to bring me through. I am going to fight back and straight at the middle. No bullshit. No bullshit. That is my calling card and that is my only point. I do it because I believe in it and that is why do this. I am going to tell the truth.

I have noticed plopeater is from the Baggins clan, have you resigned from them too?

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I have noticed plopeater is from the Baggins clan, have you resigned from them too?

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Yes, I have, but If he is serious, we will accept him.

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I have noticed plopeater is from the Baggins clan, have you resigned from them too?

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Yes, I have, but If he is serious, we will accept him.

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He has always been a member. As president you should know this. :)

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Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

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yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues

I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough

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The rest and most of them are doing low paid jobs that most people on benefits do not want to do such as cleaning toilets, working in care homes and doing night shifts.

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So you make the people on the dole do those job for fucks sake , you change the system , if an immigrant is on a low income he doesn't even pay tax , and we give his family and him health care and education , for fucks sake do the fucking maths .

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Do you see me write aggressively, getting emotional, swearing and calling you names?

Reality is the immigrants work for below the minimum wage which is why people are benefits do not take them as they are better off on benefits. They are here because they can earn a better standard of living here than over there. Yes they use the NHS and some commit crimes but where they can they contribute to our culture, society and the economy, as will their children and subsequent generation.

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The thing is the "contribute to society" bit is normally a contribution to big and small business profits. It's great for business and the country's GDP but not so great for the people already living in the country as they face increased competition for work, housing, access to school places, healthcare and other social services.

"Contribute to society" is just a mantra repeated by politicians who are just a bunch of corporate servants, saying what they're told to say by the people who fund their parties.

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It is also a real concept, they pay taxes, play a role in the community as do we all. Why should it not be different for them and their children?

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It's a case of balancing the positives and negatives of immigration. Right now all the positives accrue to a tiny minority of the existing population while all the negatives fall on the vast majority of the existing population.

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The positives come when their children get educated and earn good salaries and they pay taxes.

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So you get a vast number of negatives for twenty years before you may, if the kids so actually gain skilled work rather than just adding to the pool of unskilled labour, get a positive.

I told you last week that the vast majority of immigrants are just adding to the un and semi skilled labout pool and driving down wages of existing Brits, competing with them for housing and social services. And look what we get at the weekend. Old Labour surfaces :

Ed Miliband is facing a backbench revolt over immigration policy as senior Labour MPs publicly warn of catastrophic consequences for the party unless he seeks constraints on the free movement of EU workers.The unrestricted entry of EU citizens from eastern Europe since 2004 is hurting the "very communities that the Labour party was founded to represent", the MPs claim in an open letter published in the Observer.


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The Labour MPs, who represent constituencies from across Britain, claim that "concern with immigration has become an increasingly important priority for a large proportion of working- and middle-class voters".
In one section of the letter they write: "Whilst the benefits of mass migration have been served in abundance to many wealthy people, who are in a position to take advantage of cheap labour, we believe that the lack of affordable housing, school places, hospital capacity and transport infrastructure to accommodate this influx of people means that poorer people's living standards have been squeezed."








Labour must take tougher line on 'mass migration' from Europe, Miliband told | Politics | The Observer




Also, the Danish version of UKIP, the DPP won their elections:




"I think they were going to vote for the DPP, period. The sad fact, speaking as a lifelong Social Democrat, is this: we no longer represent the people we claim to represent. There's a disconnect between voters and the political class."
At fault, Fogh said, is partly a system that produces "young politicians, very bright, very decent, very able – but political science or law graduates who've shaped their lives into becoming politicians, and who represent no one. If you want to represent the working class, you know, it might help to have a few people who've actually worked."
It is an alienation from career politicians perceived as at best out-of-touch and at worst self-serving or corrupt that was also reflected, on the right, in record support for Marine Le Pen's Front National in France and Ukip in Britain, and on the left in countries such as Greece, where the anti-austerity radicals of Syriza topped the poll, and Spain, where a 100-day-old citizen's party, Podemos, captured five seats.
That popular detachment is aggravated in Denmark and elsewhere, Fogh said, by the traditional parties of the right and left pursuing "almost the same policies. Here, there are heated rows about whether the public sector should be frozen, or grow by 0.5% over 15 years. That's it. This is now the fault line. How many people feel that discussion is relevant to them?"


Denmark votes to defend meatballs – via party with the ordinary voice | World news | theguardian.com




The Labour backbenchers are now calling for a points system of immigration like Australia has, like I was advocating last week.


The big problem is that our politicians arrogantly assumed they could run the country without following Kirkland Laing's advice. Now they're beginning to accept the folly of not having listened to the advice of Kirkland Laing, The Infallible One.

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This thread has made me so angry that I have to resign. I cannot keep having the same attacks made against me by complete hypocrites. It gets personal and aggressive and over a state which is killing both of us and I am tired of it. I am the 'cunt' and the 'enemy' and it is gibberish. If the state was taken away people would learn self reliance and that is a good thing, but instead on here it is Tory, Tory, Tory and from people who buy property and defend immigration which brings down standards for all. They are the defenders of Toryism.

It is on that basis that I resign. I have nothing more to say. My goal is achieved.

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Stop feeling sorry for yourself you jibbering twat. You don't live here. It does not affect you, stop living in la la land and grow up. Buying property is a responsible thing to do not something that will bring on the downfall of England. You have been holed up in your bunker for way too long. You go on about being a model of independence, and then pay a landlord rent, what kind of independence is that ? The help to buy scheme is not designed to hurt young people and ruin the UK, it's there to help first time buyers get a mortgage which for many is far cheaper than paying rent to some fat cat landlord. Buying a silly plot of land is not odd behaviour it is the right of somebody living in a democratic free market, just as immigration does not bring down standards for all unless you have backed yourself into an indefensible corner where the whole world must be black or white.

My Mrs who bought the bungalow that we live in is paralysed down one side. That means the adaptations she needs to live are far easier to Implement in a house that she owns. It is not something she or anyone else should have to apologise for. The inflated housing market is unfortunate for those unable to get a foot on the ladder but that could be addressed by the Government building more social housing and making it mandatory for private companies to build more lo-cost housing solutions alongside traditional models.Also stop calling yourself a cunt I have not done so for quite some time and It does not score you many sympathy points.

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The origins of your abode are as follows , when building a house they ran out of bricks , so the foreman said bung a low roof on it.:clap:

Listen to me. Don't ever vote for a American style government. You'll be fucking sorry you did. Unless you enjoy slavery.

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Listen to me. Don't ever vote for a American style government. You'll be fucking sorry you did. Unless you enjoy slavery.

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There pretty much is an American style system and that is the problem. Each party offers a slight variation on the other and all are architects of destruction. The British have no faith in these parties and so they are imploding as UKIP rises up as it will at least offer a degree of honesty.

I want UKIP to rise as it will teach the establishment a lesson that they didn't learn in their Eton schools. I want to see the system busted open as it has been a long time coming. It will teach Labour to remember who they are supposed to be. It will do all the same to the other parties. My only real qualm with UKIP is they don't want to eradicate monarchy. All in good time.

Miles you do not live in the UK. You do not pay taxes in the UK. You do not vote in the UK. What exactly are you trying to achieve ? You say this thread has made you so angry and yet it does not concern you. You are to all intents and purposes a foreigner. You are also an Immigrant. If Kirkland or Al or Mark TKO want to voice their own opinion, state that they are unhappy with the current immigration policy or show their support for UKIP it actually means something because they all live,work and pay taxes here.

I can understand as somebody born in England that you would be interested in what is happening in the place of your birth, but you seem to be suggesting that your choosing to live elsewhere has vindicated your decision making process to the point where every point you make is an unassailable truth. You are constantly contradicting yourself, so contorted are your efforts to teach others and always been seen as being right. The hilarious irony is that the same degree in History and politics that the career politicians who lord it over us have, seems to be your justification in telling us what a cesspit we live in and how if we had only listened you we would be OK.

You are on the one hand suggesting taking away the state so that people become more self reliant and then condemning the decision to buy a house and therefore become more self reliant ? My own personal views on UKIP are that a vote for them is not like you suggest a protest vote at all. It is as bad as listening to Russell Brand and not voting. It is the politics of inaction. A vote for a UKIP representative to stand in a Parliament that they do not believe in and from which they have no power to withdraw Britain is a wasted vote. Not only are they not interested in standing up for the working man by planning to raise income tax for the poorest 88%, they are actually not standing up for any man woman or child in England and getting paid £64,000 to do so. You are wilfully oversimplifying and obfuscating the issue to suggest otherwise. They are the party for disenchanted voters from the far right for whom the Tories are too moderate, and if that is where you politics lie then fair enough but don't pretend that that you are neither left nor right when professing support for them.

The only thing that made me really angry in this thread was being called a cunt. The other stuff such as policy I disagree with also makes me angry, but you are right, it doesn't affect me directly. I do think about it though and do care enough to argue points that I think are valid. What I will say though is that I only ever planned to leave the UK for a year and then come back, but whilst overseas I saw more and more things go wrong with the UK. The Iraq war was big and that really woke me up to things politically again, then of course the banking crisis and in all these years an immigration epidemic, from afar I have seen just how rotten it is for most ordinary workers or savers. The years rolled and I realised I could never return to a country in such a position. I have realised that if I ever were to come back it isn't a country I could happily live in. I have got used to low taxes, cheaper rents, and the work I can do well is plentiful for me here. That makes me sad really as I do still have friends and of course my family there and I am missing out on most family things. That would make anyone have a love/hate relationship with the place. There are things I love of course, but there are also a lot of things I hate.

My point about house ownership was simply that you have a house which is an investment, but at the same time make constant digs at my methods of investment. I think people should own whatever they want to own. I see no reason to attack people on that basis. That's the only point I was making, but I was tippled and so expressed it poorly. In terms of my politics. I am libertarian meaning small government and individual freedom as far as possible. However, I don't like inequality, so redistributive taxes will have to play a part and as far as it helps consumers, I would nationalise key utilities. I would certainly regulate immigration.

For sure, Ukip isn't ideal, but neither are any of the parties. Their manifesto isn't the worst thing I've ever perused. I think Scotland wanting independence and UKIP getting bigger will jolt Westminster with a wake up call. It's long overdue.