Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?
BCBud i cant say why they are teaching this all i can say is how i see it as being awkward for mobility after the punch. Like i said in another post a lot of coaches dont think about what they are doing this became apparent to me from a young age.
All i will say is i cant see any logic behind it myself having been shown more ideal ways of doing things.
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The stance isnt as important as how you move your feet, simply put move both feet if you move any, never just move one foot leaving the other behind, always bring it with you.easy if your on balance, bending at the hips sends you off balance Bobbing and weaving is very easy if you maintain good posture your hip flexus and glutes can fire to take the steps required. If ur posture is faulty then your gonna have problems with the steps unless ur hips are in very good working order.
Look up anterial/posterial pelvic tilt and cross syndrome to see how posture can effect mobility. Almost everyone has a postural deviancy of some sort and bending at the hips like the 3rd of dempsys figures can cause a lot of problems for these muscles in terms of activation.
Can you explain please why the top gyms are teaching pivots including Mayweather's sidestep where he moves 1 foot at a time. a lot of boxers these days do pivots especially the Cubans they have a thing called Cuban small circles.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ITk0W8Kl62Y
Here's another Cuban example of small circular movements
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qLmaWnFjLiY
You wanna see some actual cuban footwork?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXzEE3kAYw
Watch the padwork starting 8 minutes in specifically. Those kids can move. They make some footwork mistakes sure, nobody's perfect, but you can see their feet are very well educated.
Watch at 10:35. See how the kid pivots around the coach fluidly? But you'll also see him screw up the footwork a couple times, which the coach corrects around 10:50.
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The stance isnt as important as how you move your feet, simply put move both feet if you move any, never just move one foot leaving the other behind, always bring it with you.easy if your on balance, bending at the hips sends you off balance Bobbing and weaving is very easy if you maintain good posture your hip flexus and glutes can fire to take the steps required. If ur posture is faulty then your gonna have problems with the steps unless ur hips are in very good working order.
Look up anterial/posterial pelvic tilt and cross syndrome to see how posture can effect mobility. Almost everyone has a postural deviancy of some sort and bending at the hips like the 3rd of dempsys figures can cause a lot of problems for these muscles in terms of activation.
Can you explain please why the top gyms are teaching pivots including Mayweather's sidestep where he moves 1 foot at a time. a lot of boxers these days do pivots especially the Cubans they have a thing called Cuban small circles.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ITk0W8Kl62Y
Here's another Cuban example of small circular movements
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qLmaWnFjLiY
You misunderstood him. He said move both feet, not move them at the same time.
BTW that guy's pivots aren't done right, he's moving the body before the foot and the movement is way too big.
What's the difference if you're going to move both feet one at a time or both at the same time what's the difference?
What he's doing is putting his weight on the front foot and moving the back foot like a compass.How do you move the body first on a pivot?the only way that the body can move is with the back leg moving first.
The difference is huge. If one foot moves the other has to or your stance is wrong. But you move one then the other or you have no balance and control.
I'm talking about the front foot.
Still doesn't answer my question about pivots.yeah there's no balance if the stance is wrong but what I want to know that I don't know is why are top level coaches are wanting people to pivot off the front foot. Freddie roach told me that moving in and out is predictable so I guess that's why he doesn't want people going back out. the majority of the coaches Don't want you going back out when I've asked why they tell me because boxing is the sport of aggression.
That last makes no sense and any coach that teaches you to stand in is probably trying to get you killed. The essence of boxing is you move in through an opening you have created by making the other guy miss, etc...you throw your punches and then you move, either back out of range or around to a place where you don't get hit back. You can then keep punching from a new angle or start over again, looking to create a new opportunity.
I think most don't teach that because they either don't know how, or they are lazy.
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When you pivot, you have to be softer on your feet. What that guy is showing, planting his left foot with all his weight on it, and then pivoting makes you a sitting duck. But, he has them throwing all their punches off the front foot which is a bad way of doing things. Even when he has that girl pull back, her weight stays on her front foot. That is an extremely limiting way of approaching the game.
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The stance isnt as important as how you move your feet, simply put move both feet if you move any, never just move one foot leaving the other behind, always bring it with you.easy if your on balance, bending at the hips sends you off balance Bobbing and weaving is very easy if you maintain good posture your hip flexus and glutes can fire to take the steps required. If ur posture is faulty then your gonna have problems with the steps unless ur hips are in very good working order.
Look up anterial/posterial pelvic tilt and cross syndrome to see how posture can effect mobility. Almost everyone has a postural deviancy of some sort and bending at the hips like the 3rd of dempsys figures can cause a lot of problems for these muscles in terms of activation.
Can you explain please why the top gyms are teaching pivots including Mayweather's sidestep where he moves 1 foot at a time. a lot of boxers these days do pivots especially the Cubans they have a thing called Cuban small circles.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ITk0W8Kl62Y
Here's another Cuban example of small circular movements
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qLmaWnFjLiY
You misunderstood him. He said move both feet, not move them at the same time.
BTW that guy's pivots aren't done right, he's moving the body before the foot and the movement is way too big.
What's the difference if you're going to move both feet one at a time or both at the same time what's the difference?
What he's doing is putting his weight on the front foot and moving the back foot like a compass.How do you move the body first on a pivot?the only way that the body can move is with the back leg moving first.
The difference is huge. If one foot moves the other has to or your stance is wrong. But you move one then the other or you have no balance and control.
I'm talking about the front foot.
Still doesn't answer my question about pivots.yeah there's no balance if the stance is wrong but what I want to know that I don't know is why are top level coaches are wanting people to pivot off the front foot. Freddie roach told me that moving in and out is predictable so I guess that's why he doesn't want people going back out. the majority of the coaches Don't want you going back out when I've asked why they tell me because boxing is the sport of aggression.
That last makes no sense and any coach that teaches you to stand in is probably trying to get you killed. The essence of boxing is you move in through an opening you have created by making the other guy miss, etc...you throw your punches and then you move, either back out of range or around to a place where you don't get hit back. You can then keep punching from a new angle or start over again, looking to create a new opportunity.
I think most don't teach that because they either don't know how, or they are lazy.
It's a sad state of affairs when all that's valued is aggression. The most instruction a lot of people get on defense is "keep your hands up at all times".
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As Jesus said, it is better to give than receive .
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As Jesus said, it is better to give than receive .
One of the Kray bros too.:-X
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When you pivot, you have to be softer on your feet. What that guy is showing, planting his left foot with all his weight on it, and then pivoting makes you a sitting duck. But, he has them throwing all their punches off the front foot which is a bad way of doing things. Even when he has that girl pull back, her weight stays on her front foot. That is an extremely limiting way of approaching the game.
pros and high level amateurs have a truism and that is boxers work in milliseconds by pushing off one can throw more flurries than by twisting.
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When you pivot, you have to be softer on your feet. What that guy is showing, planting his left foot with all his weight on it, and then pivoting makes you a sitting duck. But, he has them throwing all their punches off the front foot which is a bad way of doing things. Even when he has that girl pull back, her weight stays on her front foot. That is an extremely limiting way of approaching the game.
pros and high level amateurs have a truism and that is boxers work in milliseconds by pushing off one can throw more flurries than by twisting.
Last time I looked, eyes see at 35 shutters a second, both eyes are looking at something different. what you are looking at is History. ;)
Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?
In the amateurs the position is head in the center and both feet pointed to 12 weight on the front foot and the shoulders are square is modern boxing. The feet are flat on the floor so I'd have to say neither.
Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?
You know the best answer to this question is "that depends on the boxer". I have seen some fighters that look like they were doing a hula dance when they pivot on the back foot to add weight to the punch, and I have seen some boxers who just ever so slightly keep the heal off the floor to assist in the pivot, and some fighters keep the back foot flat and still manage to rotate their hips and body into the punch. Most of the time you are moving and when that split second opportunity opens up for a good power punch, you are usually not in the exact position to do the classic heal off the floor and pivot move. Some good fighters usually develop quirky and goofy techniques that work for them and them alone..and I finally got smart enough to let them go with what works best.
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You know the best answer to this question is "that depends on the boxer". I have seen some fighters that look like they were doing a hula dance when they pivot on the back foot to add weight to the punch, and I have seen some boxers who just ever so slightly keep the heal off the floor to assist in the pivot, and some fighters keep the back foot flat and still manage to rotate their hips and body into the punch. Most of the time you are moving and when that split second opportunity opens up for a good power punch, you are usually not in the exact position to do the classic heal off the floor and pivot move. Some good fighters usually develop quirky and goofy techniques that work for them and them alone..and I finally got smart enough to let them go with what works best.
Yeah! POWER... You've either got it or you don't!
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lOCHvh73ULw
1:30 Deontay Wilder perhaps the most powerful right hand pushing off when throwing the right hand.
Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?
Understand biomechanics , a good way is go for a walk, a slow one. understand what is happening and why.
