What courage from Marquez to be in there getting pushed and knocked around for 8 rounds by that human hurricane, and hitting it right back. The man is truly grace under pressure.
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What courage from Marquez to be in there getting pushed and knocked around for 8 rounds by that human hurricane, and hitting it right back. The man is truly grace under pressure.
They'll replay it all tomorrow morning and afternoon on the different HBO channels, you can catch it plenty of times then. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
JMM showcased the difference between courage and bravado!
Brilliant fight!! Diaz had me worried for Marquez early on, throwing so many and Marquez seeming to be ineffective on the ropes. But Marquez got the measure of Diaz and turned it around superbly. What a KO!!!! Tremendous.
Pac owes this man a rematch after the Hatton fight.
JMM fought a great fight tonight, and he certainly deserves to be right up there on the p4p rankings. I'm also glad he won. But I think he fought a terrible tactical fight in the first few rounds. He should have never allowed himself to get backed up against the ropes. Diaz was killing him in there. And the corner should've been more vocal about that between rounds. Luckily, JMM's counterpunching started to take their effect on Diaz, and eventually did him in. But JMM could've made it a bit easier on himself had he stayed off the ropes more. The difference between the ropes and middle of the ring were like between night and day.
He sure does... Pac has a lot to prove to Marquez! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Like Miles said, going to the ropes was working on Diaz's favor. Even his corner told JMM to get out of the ropes and fight him in the middle of the ring and guess where JMM cut, hurt, and ended up KOing Diaz?...IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING :rolleyes:.
I am impressed on Diaz stamina. That guy is a punch-throwing machine! Shows speed, combos, etc. Need to add a little bit more to the power though. Surprised how JMM made Diaz slow and finally KO him. Wow!
last year for the cotto vs marg fight i told my job a month before the fight that i wasnt gonna work that weekend at all. i guess i payed for it this year. im sure jmm will fight again in a few months and i will make sure to be off.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinShit man you missed the FOTY :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
For the Cotto-Margarito fight, I was on a remote-ish island with no electricity, let alone internet/tv service. I didn't get to watch the fight until the last week of Aug. Diane was kind enough to record the fight and mail me a DVD of it just so I could watch it when I got back. Considering the outcome, that must've been a real pain in the ass for her to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnklast year for the cotto vs marg fight i told my job a month before the fight that i wasnt gonna work that weekend at all. i guess i payed for it this year. im sure jmm will fight again in a few months and i will make sure to be off.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinShit man you missed the FOTY :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Absolutely. JMM was frustrating the hell out of me every time he backed up against the ropes, especially the times Diaz wasn't pressuring - almost seemed like he wanted it there (and maybe he did - he does love to counter). Diaz was getting some nice work done there, and only there, so JMM should have kept it in the middle of the ring. Nacho was pleading with him to stay off the ropes though, and finally in round 8, JMM really began to listen - the beginning of the end for Diaz. His signature uppercut was surgical tonight (as usual), and the triple uppercut in the 6th was very entertaining. In all honesty, however, I think JMM was looking past Diaz - Diaz woke him up early on and made it a fight. When JMM almost went down in the second I though wow, time to go to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Diaz will carry on and tonight was a wonderful lesson for a skilled but learning fighter. Unless he decides to choose law-school over boxing, he'll be back and can hopefully use this brutal lesson to propel him to the next level. He does need to toughen up IMO - after he got the cut he was asking about it constantly in his corner, who abruptly told him to stop worrying about it and focus on his gameplan. In the post fight interview, he was all about the cut, reminiscent of the fight with Campbell. For some reason, getting cut up really affects this kid badly, and if you're going to compete with the elite fighters, you better be prepared to bleed. (I can't remember a fight when JMM wasn't bloodied up, including this one - doesn't phase the man a bit)
JMM deserves the big, big, big money fights (and has for years IMO). Future Hall of Famer and FotY award contender nearly every time (as with his little bro, and my second favorite fighter ;), Rafael).
We all won tonight :cool:
I was pulling for Diaz. Have been a supporter for a while now. Love his story, work ethic and to watch him fight. I was really looking for the real JD to show up after being smashed by a much bigger, stronger and veteran Galaxy Warrior (who apparently is so much bigger - he can't even come close to makin' that weight when IBF, WBA, WBO titles are on the line) - we'll he did show up, but unfortunately so did JMM. Most entertaining fight I've seen all year and although the announcers thought Diaz was bigger and stronger than JMM, I didn't. I thought he had a shot of outworking JMM and being able to finish him off in the later rounds once he was tired. It seemed to be working until the middle of the fight. Diaz had JMM punching and getting hit more than he EVER has, but JMM started to look like he was gaining ground and man did he ever!!! If Diaz had more experience, he would have said "What the hell." and tried to bang when he was hurt. Manny Stewart called it immediately after Diaz was down the first time, saying 'it's over. . .he's done" which really shocked me, because he didn't seem done. He continued by saying that Diaz "doesn't know how to hold" so he would get stopped. Did he ever. Hat's off to both of these fighters and the largest paid gate for a boxing match EVER in the state of Texas sure got their money's worth. Diaz is a smart person and I hope that he learns from this.
Floyd, another big money fight out there for you. . . he's asking for it.
Aside from experience and lateral movements one thing that is frustratingly missing in Diaz is punching power. Why frustrating? I think he has good form and technique but is it only me that thinks he is small for 135? I think if he tries to lose some weight and those fats he can easily make 130 or maybe even 126! in that division his 'power' would definitely be felt and he may even hit faster. When this happens I think we can see the best of him. Obviously, the guy has a lot of potential and badly needs to work it out.:-\
Superb fight. Just watched it without knowing the result.
Diaz set the pace early and made Marquez fight his fight. The mid rounds and Marquez clawed his way back into the fight from a scoring perspective. Both cut and both through a high number of punches through-out.
Diaz slowed as the fight wore on and Marquez precision with the body shots and the uppercut prevailed. Stunning 4 punch combo led to the 1st knockdown in round 9, Diaz beat the count but a bodyshot and vicious uppercut put him down again and out.
Both fighters showed why they are true World class with Marquez once again confirming his greatness by fighting Diaz's fight and prevailing.
Fookin awsome fight, watching the replay again now. JMM is a legend.
JMM is definitely a surgeon, he throws accurate punches with pop from all angles....
I was originally rooting for JMM but as the fight went back and forth I told myself I dont even care who wins..........
I did keep thinking to myself JMM was landing the cleaner shots even in the first 5 rounds......I thought if Diaz doesnt tighten up his defense he cant keep taking them shots......
Also, as soon as Diaz was cut I had a bad feeling it was going to quickly deteriorate for Diaz......
Even though JMM was cut first it is really not even a worry, I mean Pac busted him up in the first roundof the first fight and he came roaring back......Just shows how some fighters handle cuts/knockdowns better than others....
I agree 100% :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Don't mind me folks. I am just gloating for hitting a prediction accurately finally. It has been ages :D
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
No, not a bad omen just a bad statement by you HOPING JMM loses theirs a difference. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
How wrong could you be, judging JMM based on a fight vs. Casa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Sorry but Diaz ain't no Casa even a past his prime Casa.
Casa to this day has skills and he's proven it vs. Kats & JMM sure he hasn't looked great but he's won and he's put up good fights.
:appl: brilliant stuff Dean well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwI agree 100% :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Don't mind me folks. I am just gloating for hitting a prediction accurately finally. It has been ages :D
Well Dean it looks like we both posted our picks at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Here is my ORIGINAL scorecard. I had Juarez by a roud the rounds were REALLY close IMO because while John was busier I think Juarez landed the harder cleaner shots.
1- C
2- R
3- C
4- R
5- C
6- C
7- C
8- R
9- R
10- R
11- R
12- R
115-113 for Rocky.
Here is my updated scorecard. I changed rd. 2 for Chris which gives him a draw, I think Chris scored well in the 2nd and I think he won that round after seeing the fight again just now.
1- C
2- C
3- C
4- R
5- C
6- C
7- C
8- R
9- R
10- R
11- R
12- R
114-114 Draw
You guys gotta understand why this isn't a robbery. The swing of 1 round, just 1 round changes things to make it 7-5 in rounds which in turn makes it a 2 round difference making it wider then the actual fight was.
I think the fight was up for grabs at the time of the scoring, John clearly did good early in the fight and in the early rounds all Juarez needed by the 12th round was one of the early rounds to win.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I had John winning 7 -5 overall. Rocky made a great showing late though. A draw due to one swing round does not disappoint. Both of them fought their guts out and we might see a rematch.
Was it a robbery? No, it probably wasn't a robbery. But I, like the majority of people who I've seen comment on the decision, felt that John should've won. I thought it should've been 116-112/115-113 (at worst) for John. However, being that the fight was in Juarez' hometown, I'm not surprised the close rounds went his way. He was definitely landing the harder shots, but I think (in most cases) John's workrate and accuracy trumped that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I wonder how much John being sick before the fight had to do with him fading down the stretch? I'm definitely interested in seeing him fight again, and if Juarez brings it like he did last night, I wouldn't mind seeing him fight again as well (preferably somewhere other than Huston though). I'd like to see a rematch, but I think John will be trying to move on to bigger fights.
I had John winning by a round on my card, too. Ledderman was way off, as usual. I fully expected the judges to give it outright to Juarez. That would have been a robbery, but it would have also been poetic justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I had John winning 7 -5 overall. Rocky made a great showing late though. A draw due to one swing round does not disappoint. Both of them fought their guts out and we might see a rematch.
I hope people will start giving a little credit to Juarez now. He gets so much hate on this board, but he's a very good fighter who can be entertaining in a well made match. He had John hurt a few time, not just the 11th. A few of those left hooks to the body were brutal and you could see that John was bothered.
I was rooting for Rocky, but honestly think Chris did enough to win. I feel bad for Rocky, though. He just keeps plugging away, no matter what.
JMM is a true great. I was pretty happy with Diaz performance, no shame to not be JMM and he was right there with him till the end.
I refuse to say something nice about Rocky Juarez :o
And Mick I disagree about the Diaz is not on a past his prime Casa's level, I would put a large amount of money on the fact that Diaz from Saturday beats the Casa of the JMM fight. Casa if anything just presented some difficulties for JMM style wise while JMM is a pressure fighter killer. Casa just wouldn't have enough to keept Juan off unlike JMM, I mean just looking at the Katsidis fight Juan handled him with ease compared to Casa KO or no KO.
Anyway Diaz will never be a great but he's still one of the best lightweights clearly. I just wonder how look he even keeps at it considering he doesn't need to.
Why feel bad for him as long as he fights in Houston he's never going to lose!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Everyone was surprised that I called what was going to happen, it's not that I am psychic or anything, I just know what is going on when Rocky Juarez fights in Houston. Chris John landed over 100 more punches than Rocky and he controled the majority of the fight, he had the better defense and he did enough to win outright. Sure John looked bad in the last few rounds but he won enough of the early rounds to coast to a victory.
I honestly can't wait til the day when Rocky Juarez gets KTFO....I'm sure he's a nice guy and all but I want him out cold. A fight vs Edwin Valero might do the trick.
Hometown decisions do tend to turn fans against a fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleWhy feel bad for him as long as he fights in Houston he's never going to lose!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Everyone was surprised that I called what was going to happen, it's not that I am psychic or anything, I just know what is going on when Rocky Juarez fights in Houston. Chris John landed over 100 more punches than Rocky and he controled the majority of the fight, he had the better defense and he did enough to win outright. Sure John looked bad in the last few rounds but he won enough of the early rounds to coast to a victory.
I honestly can't wait til the day when Rocky Juarez gets KTFO....I'm sure he's a nice guy and all but I want him out cold. A fight vs Edwin Valero might do the trick.
;D
I think John took it pretty well, considering.
Rocky acting like he really did deserve the W did more to piss me off......I really hate him with a passion! Juarez has joined the likes of Sergio Mora, Peter Manfredo, John Ruiz, and Nicolay Valuev in my mind
In all fairness, Lyle... when have you ever seen a fighter say: "Well, I don't think I did enough to win the fight?" I think John got robbed as much as you did... but poor Rocky's getting some undeserved wrath, don't you think? It's the judges that should be beaten at the town square.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
There are plenty of times where fighters don't think they won and say it.....even a shmuck like Antonio Margarito has done that!
The Judges are bad but I hate Rocky Juarez....I don't care about the judges