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I have said all that I am permitted, sorry to buttout here, it seems rude, but I cant continue further.
It would become detrimental and destructive to someones path. Its one thing to splash someone hopeing to waken them to something deeper, its another thing entirely to drop them straight into one of the deep ends.
Spiritual growth and learning stems from the want to search for your own way and the following personal journey, not from a destination.
I dont believe in god. This is a godless world by my reckoning. I just cannot believe in such a concept and organised religion isnt the way either. I dont belive in fate. Nor astrology or cosmic forces.
Death is a pointless thing. A complete negation of experience, memory and purpose. Memories live on through others. But death will get them too. Life is merciless, harsh and cruel. Or do I mean death?
I love life but the prospect of all that I am just amounting to nothing....its huge. I just keep living and keep on breathing in and out. I make my own reasons for existing...but ultimatley its a futile quest.
Time for a bacon sandwich....
All right, I will not discuss religion. How stupid of me not to know that religions are beyond debate as it involves beliefs, and beliefs involve choice - choice to believe in something in spite of it all.
But I can discuss about mind because it's mostly facts than beliefs. Here, I can consider myself expert. I know almost every aspect of mind. You mentioned something about ego, and yes I know there is such term but I learned about mind directly through experience and haven't studied much about it outside so I'm just using my own terms. Basically our mind has two parts (actually it has more). They say humans are half beast and half god. There is some truth to that because one part of the mind is what I call the lower mind, which is I think what you meant by ego, while the other, the higher mind. The lower mind is the primitive mind which is driven by the survivor instinct, which is basically fear. From this mind comes greed, anger, hatred, war:o, envy and most of all fear. The higher mind, on the contrary is bright, calm, firm, joyful and exhilirating in subtle way. But you can access the higher mind only when your lower mind is silent. Actually people experience it once in awhile but mostly in fleeting sort of way because the lower mind usually drags you down from it. Have you had a sudden feeling of being inspired, that's when you are accessing your higher mind. Over the decades, I've learned to control and silence my lower mind and when I meditate, I am filled with bright light, calm and firm, usually unrattled by anything and feeling a subtle joy throughout. At the same time, when you access your higher mind, you are actually connecting to the universal power which gives you some special powers. You may call me nuts, but I receive certain powers, predicting certain events is not the only one. I've one time received instant skill at doing a certain thing. And I routinely 'see' what my partner see from distance apart. You may laff at me but I shall prove it to you when one of my visions comes next time. Even what I write here, I usually don't do much research or even study hard about them. They just flow when I write, that's why I believe they are true, and that's also the reason why I am always firm in my belief and never rattled. When you firmly believe in something, nothing can upset you. And the best part of it is that I never feel anything bad about anyone. I'm easy most of the time. I just let go of my lower emotions. But I have to say this is just a summary of what I know about the mind. There are many other aspects like the evolutionary influence and the childhood influence on our mind but it will take volumes so I can't go into all of them. If I write it all down, it will probably take 2-3 books long.
Well Andre, I think you have had enough of me here so I will conclude at this post. I just hope I didn't upset you about your beliefs. But just remember this, if you truly believe in something, nothing should upset you - that's the sign of true faith. And remember also, pacfan always sees everyone with deep understanding, respect and appreciation, whatever his beliefs, as long as he is sincere, and that includes you, my friend. Adios for now, see you at some other thread.;D;)
I didn't say you Pacfan I said me. I cant add what I sort of :-\ want to add any anymore, I have gone to my allowable limit,maybe over it. I had typed about a page in answer to your original statment but couldn't post it; I had to delete it all, I couldnt even reword it without breaking a covenant, so Im at the end of these disscussions Im afraid. I've said all I can and have to delete some of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
You carry on my friend, no worries from here.
Sorry about that, brother Andre, I fully understand your situation now. I have no intention of imposing my views on anyone, but on the contrary I encourage you, and even my buddy Bilbo, to express your beliefs. It's my principle to support any religion because I believe all religions are united at least on the principle of love, peace and justice, and eventually I believe all will be united on that principle - goodness. It's mainly the Godless idea that I attack, like the theory of evolution in its pure form. We need as much religion in this world as possible because I think ultimately that will be what will unite the word in peace.
I've learned to think differently over the years, even in my own religion - the traditional Catholics will probably abhor my own doctrines because I don't take the bible literally. To me it's full of symbolism. For example the Catholic doctrine of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, I see the Father of course as God, the Son as the God or Jesus living within our own hearts who can only be reached thru faith, and the Holy Spirit as the universal energy that flows thru the channel to the world and to the individual in in various forms - which of course is not the way Catholics believe. I've learned to think this way probably because of my meditational:confused: influence: you are probably aware that famous story of Zen monk telling someone to first remove all the preconcieved ideas he has before he can thing rightly, just like cup of tea that must be emptied of old tea before it can be filled with new one. I have learned to do just that, remove my original thoughts which were primarily motivated and clouded with the instinct of survivor, and once free from that survivor prejudice that fans hatred, anger, war, etc., I am trying fill it with what flows from above. I must say I'm probably not yet perfect, and perhaps still has some of that ego, as you say, prejudice left in me that may influence my thoughts. But on the whole, I'm very confident I've gotten rid of most of those prejudice.
But again, I must warn you, if anything I say will compromise your belief, by all means, stick to your faith because you've chosen that path and it's your faithful duty to stick to it, no matter what. Who knows, all this might just be a test for you. The only thing I can say firmly is that I don't subscribe to the idea of almost all religion, including Catholics, that theirs is the only true religion (which naturally implies that they are the only ones to be saved), while all others are wrong and therefore condemned. Again I can be wrong, but I believe God breathed the idea of religion on all civilization, just as I think Lyle mentioned something like all tribes developed similar culture at about the same time. But since humans are imperfect channels, they all received that God inspired idea differently. But not so strangely, almost all religion goes thru their evolutionary process but are nervetheless united on the principle of love, justice, and peace. On that principle I believe all will be united one day. Perhaps I'm a bit naive.:-\
But Andre, do not be inhibited from expressing your religious views, although it may naturally invite some haters; I always encourage everyone to express his views. Nobody has a monopoly of ideas, so we can all learn something from one another.
Well thanks, Andre, consider me your brother. With much love, pacfan.
To me what matters the most is not whether God exists or not. What matters most is whether we want to be happy or not, and whether we want to put some purpose in our lives or not. If you are happy, by all means stay as you are. But if you are not, then you've got absolutely nothing to lose by believing. It just takes a little faith - believing without seeing. Remember, a thing not seen doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist. We are made to see only things or dimensions that are necessary for our survivor. Physicists know that mathematically, it is possible that there are infinite numbers of dimensions, but we humans are made to percieve only three of them. So you see, Miles, our universe might just be sitting on God's hand without us being aware of it - God, not necessarily as described by any religion, but more probably a Being infinitely complex than our few-ounced brain can possibly imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Just my 3 cent worth; keep the extra penny.
I can say this much Pacfan. Im not inhibited ,but there are doors that you and I have unopened, there is one behind you and one in front of you still.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
There is one major 'Universal sin' above any of the Earthly ones.
That is to stop or to slow down or take control of someone elses spiritual progression,this is what the dark side practitioners still do and they steal light/love energy from the masses through this practice.
This is sacred ground,you will see no Ascended master , Sun of God , Angel ,Archangel or Cherabin ever doing it. notice Lord level emmitted.
Freedom of Choice is part of the grand plan so that All the different souls or spirit forms on this higher 3d level can find their whole way back to their original form; by their own choice.
If any religious person or any person within one ,or of a certain dark belief system lays it on another spirit and states "this is your only truth" and their natural progression is interuppted or halted, guess who has to pay for it and guess where and how long you have to wait until you can move on; (you wait ,until they catch up to where you were at, right before you stopped them in their tracks).This is why you can point, lead by example but never take anyone there by giving them exact directions and stating: "THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR YOU."
That is the truth directly from within the eternal gift of freedom of choice, so it is divine direction straight from the top source. Again the rule applies "as above so below".
I dont think you are naive at all, I belive too that all energy will be re united one day.
The Lord level being of light and Love; states "love is the way."
Iam the way.
This is truth.
The religions have taken on the Lord level way of the dark side ;control of others, through false teachings.
Now I understand some of the things you are trying to say because I know that too, although in a different way. Yes, getting directly from above, that's what I am doing and that's where I conflict with the established religions. This is one of my secrets but now I can explain why this is so. You see the same religion was breathed out from heaven to every cultures or tribes of this world, but unfortunately, humans are imperfect channels and so they all interpreted God's inspiration on them in different ways. This is because it was clouded by their egos, the beast in us that is primarily motivated by the instinct of survivor. That is the main reason that religions cannot unite, why they insist theirs is the only true one (selfishness and self-preservation), and why people went (and still go) into wars in the name of religion. If you take out the ego influence out of all religion, what will be left? It is love, peace and justice (in it's good form) - this, is the religion in it's true original form. But why did I say eventually we will all be united in one true religion? It's because as civilizations develop and mature, the influence of ego begins to lessen little by little until there will be none of it left and that's the time, we will be united. So you see Andre, when I want to determine if any idea is true or not, including mine, the most important criteria I use is to see whether it has the influence of ego or not. Because all idea comes from above and in their original forms, they should not have any influence of human ego on it. That's is why I meditate - to try to clear my mind of ego thought influence and to get the truth from directly from above; and that's the reason that I urge everyone to meditate - so they can see the truth by themselves. Nobody can preach the truth to others as long as their minds are clouded by egos, and on the other hand, nobody needs to to be taught of the truth if their minds are cleared of their egos because they will see the truth themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
So what do you say, Andre, in your belief, is it all right for me to direct people to meditate but find their own truth thru it, or not?
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Originally Posted by pacfanNow I understand some of the things you are trying to say because I know that too, although in a different way. Yes, getting directly from above, that's what I am doing and that's where I conflict with the established religions. This is one of my secrets but now I can explain why this is so. You see the same religion was breathed out from heaven to every cultures or tribes of this world, but unfortunately, humans are imperfect channels and so they all interpreted God's inspiration on them in different ways. This is because it was clouded by their egos, the beast in us that is primarily motivated by the instinct of survivor. That is the main reason that religions cannot unite, why they insist theirs is the only true one (selfishness and self-preservation), and why people went (and still go) into wars in the name of religion. If you take out the ego influence out of all religion, what will be left? It is love, peace and justice (in it's good form) - this, is the religion in it's true original form. But why did I say eventually we will all be united in one true religion? It's because as civilizations develop and mature, the influence of ego begins to lessen little by little until there will be none of it left and that's the time, we will be united. So you see Andre, when I want to determine if any idea is true or not, including mine, the most important criteria I use is to see whether it has the influence of ego or not. Because all idea comes from above and in their original forms, they should not have any influence of human ego on it. That's is why I meditate - to try to clear my mind of ego thought influence and to get the truth from directly from above; and that's the reason that I urge everyone to meditate - so they can see the truth by themselves. Nobody can preach the truth to others as long as their minds are clouded by egos, and on the other hand, nobody needs to to be taught of the truth if their minds are cleared of their egos because they will see the truth themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
So what do you say, Andre, in your belief, is it all right for me to direct people to meditate but find their own truth thru it, or not?
Sure PAcfan ,thats the safest route, as it takes away anyone else being in between you and what you seek; You are showing people the inner road ,"go the inner road",dont belive in the false teaching that God is only outside of you and if you place your faith in some outer being or a man made religion you will be given a free ride by simply calling one name out and then like magic all of it will be done for you.
Blind faith is supposition, it is not knowing whats over the hill it is beliving only what others tell you.
Those either already from over the first rise who have come back or those who have climbed the first rise, can already glimpse whats ahead, they need no blind faith and they either know through knowledge or can see for themselves. They can only ask you to climb out and see for yourself. The way up that rise is inwards firstly and it is forgivness and love for yourself first, then naturally it can extend outwards to ALL and you find freedom in it ,then .....:-X :) :D ;D.
If you search outside of yourself in blind faith you will be lead back to yourself time and time again through lifes lessons either harsh ones or otherwise and you will bring the whole lot in, all for you, by you for that exact reason. There are no victims or free rides, you bring it on by allowing, because allowance and freedom of choice is from the highest love.
If you dont choose to move on and grow this time, back you come again and again and again until you do.
The Ego isnt all bad,it has had a great service to us in reaction and survival and physical progression and taking us into the darker reaches until we are fukked ;D.
But if you have had enough of its false control over your life and want the controls fully back from it; all you have to do is watch it and it takes second place instantly to the real you; the you that is watching it without any judgment.
Sickness then starts to fall away from you as do all other things that it brings to you.
These things spoken of here, are all routes or sign posts they are fine.
Unfortunatley there are some that place themselves in between us and our goal, these ones steal our energy and power.
Go betweens, beware of go :o betweens they teach false routes that hold you back for unfortunatley sometimes eons of time; because you allow it.
Jesus as they call him warned about them all the time if you read close his words and they took over what he taught not for his goal of your freedom and growth in his truth but for their only way of maintaning their power and recieving energy(not from GOD but from others).like leaches.
You can tell them by their works (they take more than they give out).This is deception,this is the false teachings that we were warned about.
People are not what they say, people are what they do.
I think I really have reached the limit now. Its over to you mate.
Ok Andre, I'm pretty sure you're pretty tired of replying to my posts here so you don't have to reply this one. I'll wrap this up with this post.
But before I wrap it up, I just want to clarify one thing. About the self. I haven't got any words to describe all aspects of the mind so I'll just make them up (I won't be using the word ego here anymore coz I'm not really sure what it means.) - Actually there is one self, though it is a multi-faceted one, or perhaps more accuratedly it has many characters. But there is this higher self - maybe this is the only true self -who wants to advance but is always dragged down by this ancient, survival/fear driven beast within us all, who has almost absolute control over it. This beast is the one that make you feel all the negative emotions in you and who constantly bombards you with all the can't do, shouldn't do, and all other negative thoughts. Everyone is always trying to get out of its control but to no avail, and most fail to do so for life. But on a very, very rare ocassion when one does get himself out of its clutches, he will experience deep joy within and he is free to soar high and ultimately able to accomplish anything he can imagine, and the best of it is that he is always at peace with himself and with the world. This is simply because he is able to connect himself to the channel to universal mind or energy once he is freed from the shackles of the beast in us...
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I've always thought about these things but in more of on-and-off way, sometimes seriously, other times no very seriously and still other times, not at all - sometimes for a long time. And I've never sort of really seriously did any homework for this kind of thing either. But few months back, when I thought about it seriously, I was surprised to find out that it was all already there - in my mind. I've actually accumulated all these things gradually without me not being much aware of it. So now here I am with some truths about this world which has never been revealed before, many in their barest forms.
But, a big but - I'm not very sure whether I'm supposed to reveal this to the whole world at this time - as they say, there is a right time for everything. So I decided to just plant some seeds, starting here at the saddos and elsewhere later on, and see what happens. You see what I write could be potentially very divisive, as the world might not be ready for this, especially it might affect the beliefs or religions of many people. I've never seen anything like this written anywhere and by anyone in such details as I have in my mind. If I were half as ambitious as my good friend fenster believe I am - printing newsletters for several bucks every week or month - sheesh! (...on a second thought, not a bad idea, I might do just that;D) - I'd immeditely write the whole thing down, which is enough to easily fill a book, and do everything to have it published. But again, I'm not sure about this thing so I've decided to just spread some seed for now. I believe letting destiny take care of itself especially when it comes to matters like this. And so if it is the right time, it will find it's own way somehow, somewhere, I firmly believe. But if it's not, it will stay with me forever and I've got absolutely no problem with that. I've let go of all those things like ambition, pride, fame or whatever. I've learned to let go of these things. I am perfectly contented with whatever will come out, or not come out, of this. There is a perfect time for everything.
Good for you mate, it is natural to actually want less at this stage; its natural progression that the physical and emotional things take on a sickly chain you down type of feel to them all so that you can fully release what does'nt count.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
The best thing you can do is place your infomation out there somewhere and see who makes their way to it naturally,like will attract like. There is an Asian guy with lots of u tube stuff who is non denominational and yet brings alot of stuff out into the open and many write in to the mix I belive.I'll try and hunt him down for you if you like ,I breezed over some of his stuf last week . Maybe thats a way,utube a set of videos its faster than writing a book and it allows feed back and further growth.
There are many things that have become exposed lately even to the masses. Some people are joining what they have learnt through the secret,the power of now ,a course in miracles and conversations with God and other stuff and remixing them all and claiming new ground. Truth is we all know everything deep down we simply get re-reminded of it in new lifetimes through others at the ripe time.
I wont listen to anyone who claims they are a channel for another spirit.
This spirit has broken another of the universal light rules that no spirit should move in on a soul ,it is in fact possesion and some people allow it to happen to themselves and they get bunches of other people fukked up and many times,brainwashed, broke, their kids raped then all dead,and these gullable people go to the grave beliving in these sect leaders and mediums completly.
If truth is released out from the brotherhood of light it will come to a few or through a few either witnessed in pairs or groups or simultaniuosly in different places.
The ones who walk here on Earth who are from within that truth will always give the glory of whatever has come through them to God,none other, including themselves.
You can tell by their physical deeds and by their works who is for real; the others take whats not theres, including glory and they all will eventually have to pay for everything (sometimes ten fold) simply on the law of Karmic balance of ongoing effect, not through judgment or a God induced penalty.
Ya, we'll just do that. It's good idea to check some of the stuffs outside to see how they compare with mine as some of the things that I say don't seem that unusual, while some are not new, like the idea of universal mind or energy. If anyone said something same as mine, I'll give them the credit. When I have time, I'll check around and see where I can plant my seeds. If it grows it means the time has come; otherwise, it's not yet the time. After the planting, I'll leave it up entirely to the forces above to take care of it. I'm at peace at whatever that will come out of it.:cool:
Talking of coincidence, Australian airline Quantas plane made an emergency landing few days ago in Manila from London enroute to Melbourne because of explosion that ripped through its fuselage. Three days after, another Quantas plane enroute Melbourne (again) made another emergency landing in Adelaide because of a door problem...
...or was it really a coincidence...
...just dropping by...adios for now...;)
The devil is too slow ,he was taking pot shots at the popes plane The Poop flew Quantas when he came out the other week.
I was thinking as he took off he would of looked much better with VIRGIN written down the side.
Another Qantas (not Quantas as I've spelled earlier) plane, this time enroute to Manila (another coincidence?), made an emergency landing in Sydney. This is the third Qantas flight that made emergency landing in just couple of weeks, all from different or unrelated causes. As they say here, things come in three's, which seems to be a valid saying. As I've said, things tend to come or happen together and in certain cylcles; believe me folks, this is no superstition. That's because this world is made basically of energies (not in a strict scientific terms though) and energies moves in waves, and waves tend to move in cycles. This explains the occurence of coincidence which is not a coincidence at all, as I've said that all things happen in this world for a reason...
...by the way Andre, congratulations for your new badge, hope your new sheriff's outfit is fitting you well.;D;)