Question for the biblical religious

[Andre]

Sorry about that, brother Andre, I fully understand your situation now. I have no intention of imposing my views on anyone, but on the contrary I encourage you, and even my buddy Bilbo, to express your beliefs. It's my principle to support any religion because I believe all religions are united at least on the principle of love, peace and justice, and eventually I believe all will be united on that principle - goodness. It's mainly the Godless idea that I attack, like the theory of evolution in its pure form. We need as much religion in this world as possible because I think ultimately that will be what will unite the word in peace.

I've learned to think differently over the years, even in my own religion - the traditional Catholics will probably abhor my own doctrines because I don't take the bible literally. To me it's full of symbolism. For example the Catholic doctrine of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, I see the Father of course as God, the Son as the God or Jesus living within our own hearts who can only be reached thru faith, and the Holy Spirit as the universal energy that flows thru the channel to the world and to the individual in in various forms - which of course is not the way Catholics believe. I've learned to think this way probably because of my meditational influence: you are probably aware that famous story of Zen monk telling someone to first remove all the preconcieved ideas he has before he can thing rightly, just like cup of tea that must be emptied of old tea before it can be filled with new one. I have learned to do just that, remove my original thoughts which were primarily motivated and clouded with the instinct of survivor, and once free from that survivor prejudice that fans hatred, anger, war, etc., I am trying fill it with what flows from above. I must say I'm probably not yet perfect, and perhaps still has some of that ego, as you say, prejudice left in me that may influence my thoughts. But on the whole, I'm very confident I've gotten rid of most of those prejudice.

But again, I must warn you, if anything I say will compromise your belief, by all means, stick to your faith because you've chosen that path and it's your faithful duty to stick to it, no matter what. Who knows, all this might just be a test for you. The only thing I can say firmly is that I don't subscribe to the idea of almost all religion, including Catholics, that theirs is the only true religion (which naturally implies that they are the only ones to be saved), while all others are wrong and therefore condemned. Again I can be wrong, but I believe God breathed the idea of religion on all civilization, just as I think Lyle mentioned something like all tribes developed similar culture at about the same time. But since humans are imperfect channels, they all received that God inspired idea differently. But not so strangely, almost all religion goes thru their evolutionary process but are nervetheless united on the principle of love, justice, and peace. On that principle I believe all will be united one day. Perhaps I'm a bit naive.

But Andre, do not be inhibited from expressing your religious views, although it may naturally invite some haters; I always encourage everyone to express his views. Nobody has a monopoly of ideas, so we can all learn something from one another.

Well thanks, Andre, consider me your brother. With much love, pacfan.

I can say this much Pacfan. Im not inhibited ,but there are doors that you and I have unopened, there is one behind you and one in front of you still.

There is one major 'Universal sin' above any of the Earthly ones.
That is to stop or to slow down or take control of someone elses spiritual progression,this is what the dark side practitioners still do and they steal light/love energy from the masses through this practice.
This is sacred ground,you will see no Ascended master , Sun of God , Angel ,Archangel or Cherabin ever doing it. notice Lord level emmitted.
Freedom of Choice is part of the grand plan so that All the different souls or spirit forms on this higher 3d level can find their whole way back to their original form; by their own choice.
If any religious person or any person within one ,or of a certain dark belief system lays it on another spirit and states "this is your only truth" and their natural progression is interuppted or halted, guess who has to pay for it and guess where and how long you have to wait until you can move on; (you wait ,until they catch up to where you were at, right before you stopped them in their tracks).This is why you can point, lead by example but never take anyone there by giving them exact directions and stating: "THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR YOU."
That is the truth directly from within the eternal gift of freedom of choice, so it is divine direction straight from the top source. Again the rule applies "as above so below".

I dont think you are naive at all, I belive too that all energy will be re united one day.

The Lord level being of light and Love; states "love is the way."

Iam the way.

This is truth.
The religions have taken on the Lord level way of the dark side ;control of others, through false teachings.

[pacfan]

I can say this much Pacfan. Im not inhibited ,but there are doors that you and I have unopened, there is one behind you and one in front of you still.

There is one major 'Universal sin' above any of the Earthly ones.
That is to stop or to slow down or take control of someone elses spiritual progression,this is what the dark side practitioners still do and they steal light/love energy from the masses through this practice.
This is sacred ground,you will see no Ascended master , Sun of God , Angel ,Archangel or Cherabin ever doing it. notice Lord level emmitted.
Freedom of Choice is part of the grand plan so that All the different souls or spirit forms on this higher 3d level can find their whole way back to their original form; by their own choice.
If any religious person or any person within one ,or of a certain dark belief system lays it on another spirit and states "this is your only truth" and their natural progression is interuppted or halted, guess who has to pay for it and guess where and how long you have to wait until you can move on; (you wait ,until they catch up to where you were at, right before you stopped them in their tracks).This is why you can point, lead by example but never take anyone there by giving them exact directions and stating: "THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR YOU."
That is the truth directly from within the eternal gift of freedom of choice, so it is divine direction straight from the top source. Again the rule applies "as above so below".

I dont think you are naive at all, I belive too that all energy will be re united one day.

The Lord level being of light and Love; states "love is the way."

Iam the way.

This is truth.
The religions have taken on the Lord level way of the dark side ;control of others, through false teachings.

Now I understand some of the things you are trying to say because I know that too, although in a different way. Yes, getting directly from above, that's what I am doing and that's where I conflict with the established religions. This is one of my secrets but now I can explain why this is so. You see the same religion was breathed out from heaven to every cultures or tribes of this world, but unfortunately, humans are imperfect channels and so they all interpreted God's inspiration on them in different ways. This is because it was clouded by their egos, the beast in us that is primarily motivated by the instinct of survivor. That is the main reason that religions cannot unite, why they insist theirs is the only true one (selfishness and self-preservation), and why people went (and still go) into wars in the name of religion. If you take out the ego influence out of all religion, what will be left? It is love, peace and justice (in it's good form) - this, is the religion in it's true original form. But why did I say eventually we will all be united in one true religion? It's because as civilizations develop and mature, the influence of ego begins to lessen little by little until there will be none of it left and that's the time, we will be united. So you see Andre, when I want to determine if any idea is true or not, including mine, the most important criteria I use is to see whether it has the influence of ego or not. Because all idea comes from above and in their original forms, they should not have any influence of human ego on it. That's is why I meditate - to try to clear my mind of ego thought influence and to get the truth from directly from above; and that's the reason that I urge everyone to meditate - so they can see the truth by themselves. Nobody can preach the truth to others as long as their minds are clouded by egos, and on the other hand, nobody needs to to be taught of the truth if their minds are cleared of their egos because they will see the truth themselves.

So what do you say, Andre, in your belief, is it all right for me to direct people to meditate but find their own truth thru it, or not?

[Andre]

I can say this much Pacfan. Im not inhibited ,but there are doors that you and I have unopened, there is one behind you and one in front of you still.

There is one major 'Universal sin' above any of the Earthly ones.
That is to stop or to slow down or take control of someone elses spiritual progression,this is what the dark side practitioners still do and they steal light/love energy from the masses through this practice.
This is sacred ground,you will see no Ascended master , Sun of God , Angel ,Archangel or Cherabin ever doing it. notice Lord level emmitted.
Freedom of Choice is part of the grand plan so that All the different souls or spirit forms on this higher 3d level can find their whole way back to their original form; by their own choice.
If any religious person or any person within one ,or of a certain dark belief system lays it on another spirit and states "this is your only truth" and their natural progression is interuppted or halted, guess who has to pay for it and guess where and how long you have to wait until you can move on; (you wait ,until they catch up to where you were at, right before you stopped them in their tracks).This is why you can point, lead by example but never take anyone there by giving them exact directions and stating: "THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR YOU."
That is the truth directly from within the eternal gift of freedom of choice, so it is divine direction straight from the top source. Again the rule applies "as above so below".

I dont think you are naive at all, I belive too that all energy will be re united one day.

The Lord level being of light and Love; states "love is the way."

Iam the way.

This is truth.
The religions have taken on the Lord level way of the dark side ;control of others, through false teachings.

Now I understand some of the things you are trying to say because I know that too, although in a different way. Yes, getting directly from above, that's what I am doing and that's where I conflict with the established religions. This is one of my secrets but now I can explain why this is so. You see the same religion was breathed out from heaven to every cultures or tribes of this world, but unfortunately, humans are imperfect channels and so they all interpreted God's inspiration on them in different ways. This is because it was clouded by their egos, the beast in us that is primarily motivated by the instinct of survivor. That is the main reason that religions cannot unite, why they insist theirs is the only true one (selfishness and self-preservation), and why people went (and still go) into wars in the name of religion. If you take out the ego influence out of all religion, what will be left? It is love, peace and justice (in it's good form) - this, is the religion in it's true original form. But why did I say eventually we will all be united in one true religion? It's because as civilizations develop and mature, the influence of ego begins to lessen little by little until there will be none of it left and that's the time, we will be united. So you see Andre, when I want to determine if any idea is true or not, including mine, the most important criteria I use is to see whether it has the influence of ego or not. Because all idea comes from above and in their original forms, they should not have any influence of human ego on it. That's is why I meditate - to try to clear my mind of ego thought influence and to get the truth from directly from above; and that's the reason that I urge everyone to meditate - so they can see the truth by themselves. Nobody can preach the truth to others as long as their minds are clouded by egos, and on the other hand, nobody needs to to be taught of the truth if their minds are cleared of their egos because they will see the truth themselves.

So what do you say, Andre, in your belief, is it all right for me to direct people to meditate but find their own truth thru it, or not?

Sure PAcfan ,thats the safest route, as it takes away anyone else being in between you and what you seek; You are showing people the inner road ,"go the inner road",dont belive in the false teaching that God is only outside of you and if you place your faith in some outer being or a man made religion you will be given a free ride by simply calling one name out and then like magic all of it will be done for you.
Blind faith is supposition, it is not knowing whats over the hill it is beliving only what others tell you.
Those either already from over the first rise who have come back or those who have climbed the first rise, can already glimpse whats ahead, they need no blind faith and they either know through knowledge or can see for themselves. They can only ask you to climb out and see for yourself. The way up that rise is inwards firstly and it is forgivness and love for yourself first, then naturally it can extend outwards to ALL and you find freedom in it ,then ..... .

If you search outside of yourself in blind faith you will be lead back to yourself time and time again through lifes lessons either harsh ones or otherwise and you will bring the whole lot in, all for you, by you for that exact reason. There are no victims or free rides, you bring it on by allowing, because allowance and freedom of choice is from the highest love.
If you dont choose to move on and grow this time, back you come again and again and again until you do.

The Ego isnt all bad,it has had a great service to us in reaction and survival and physical progression and taking us into the darker reaches until we are fukked .
But if you have had enough of its false control over your life and want the controls fully back from it; all you have to do is watch it and it takes second place instantly to the real you; the you that is watching it without any judgment.

Sickness then starts to fall away from you as do all other things that it brings to you.

These things spoken of here, are all routes or sign posts they are fine.

Unfortunatley there are some that place themselves in between us and our goal, these ones steal our energy and power.

Go betweens, beware of go betweens they teach false routes that hold you back for unfortunatley sometimes eons of time; because you allow it.
Jesus as they call him warned about them all the time if you read close his words and they took over what he taught not for his goal of your freedom and growth in his truth but for their only way of maintaning their power and recieving energy(not from GOD but from others).like leaches.
You can tell them by their works (they take more than they give out).This is deception,this is the false teachings that we were warned about.
People are not what they say, people are what they do.

I think I really have reached the limit now. Its over to you mate.