Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Hornfinger
Specific facts of why testing isn't good enough!? are you for fucking real?
Urine testing will not detect growth hormone or testosterone enhancers or alot of modern day steroids. That is common knowledge.
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This is just idiocy on your part. It's a general statement applies to both agencies and you do not support your position here with specifics.
You obviously know absolutley nothing about modern performance enhancers and testing. And if that's the case why are you posting on this thread?
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This statement pre-supposes fact that you are in fact an expert? Provide your credentials as support.
Here are some links to educate yourself and they are also links pactards should probably want to stay away from to keep their little pac delusion bubble in tact.
Drug Test FAQ's : Synthetic Urine : Random Drug Testing : Cleartest.com
The History of Drug Testing in Sports & How Athletes Beat the Drug Tests
USADA calls NSAC's drug-testing procedures "inadequate," recommends tougher stance | MMAjunkie.com
Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud | MLive.com
In this link the CEO of USADA states that '...there is no Urine testing for human growth hormone...'
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Rebuttal - In regards to the allegations from USADA and the sensationalized article writing with half truths and taking shit out of context to generate hits. You must really believe that BS!
You said that all the NSAC cares about is money. I'd be willing to bet you that USADA is really about is getting federal grant money. If they were really after cleaning up the sports, they would be working with the states helping to coordinate testing instead of competing with them and lobbing legislature to take over testing.
I could post more links but at the moment I can't be arsed.
What are you going to do to show me that current testing by NSAC is adequet? Seeing that all you've done is provide evidence that they are financially incapable of providing a decent screening program.....
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No need! I don't hold this position
Until NSAC bring in random blood testing I do not believe what they are doing is adequate.
Why would golden boy, top rank, and those other promotors put the money up for testing when it could mean their cash cows failing and getting banned? If you get banned you can't fight, if you can't fight you can't earn money for these people. Congratulations you are more nieve than a 3 year old.
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Maybe to promote the appearance of wanting to have a clean sport?
Consider yourself owned. :o
I will never submit to slavery!
Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Specific facts of why testing isn't good enough!? are you for fucking real?
Urine testing will not detect growth hormone or testosterone enhancers or alot of modern day steroids. That is common knowledge.
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This is just idiocy on your part. It's a general statement applies to both agencies and you do not support your position here with specifics.
You obviously know absolutley nothing about modern performance enhancers and testing. And if that's the case why are you posting on this thread?
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This statement pre-supposes fact that you are in fact an expert? Provide your credentials as support.
Here are some links to educate yourself and they are also links pactards should probably want to stay away from to keep their little pac delusion bubble in tact.
Drug Test FAQ's : Synthetic Urine : Random Drug Testing : Cleartest.com
The History of Drug Testing in Sports & How Athletes Beat the Drug Tests
USADA calls NSAC's drug-testing procedures "inadequate," recommends tougher stance | MMAjunkie.com
Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud | MLive.com
In this link the CEO of USADA states that '...there is no Urine testing for human growth hormone...'
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Rebuttal - In regards to the allegations from USADA and the sensationalized article writing with half truths and taking shit out of context to generate hits. You must really believe that BS!
You said that all the NSAC cares about is money. I'd be willing to bet you that USADA is really about is getting federal grant money. If they were really after cleaning up the sports, they would be working with the states helping to coordinate testing instead of competing with them and lobbing legislature to take over testing.
I could post more links but at the moment I can't be arsed.
What are you going to do to show me that current testing by NSAC is adequet? Seeing that all you've done is provide evidence that they are financially incapable of providing a decent screening program.....
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No need! I don't hold this position
Until NSAC bring in random blood testing I do not believe what they are doing is adequate.
Why would golden boy, top rank, and those other promotors put the money up for testing when it could mean their cash cows failing and getting banned? If you get banned you can't fight, if you can't fight you can't earn money for these people. Congratulations you are more nieve than a 3 year old.
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Maybe to promote the appearance of wanting to have a clean sport?
Consider yourself owned. :o
I will never submit to slavery!
In response to the only part that's relevant....
I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.
'maybe to promote the appearence of a clean sport' Your child like nievity is astounding. And in an earlier post I said I was in the realm of fantasy for imagining boxing in a perfect world.....
The important thing is you agree current testing is underfunded and inadequet, and that is the base line of all my argurments.
Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.
You don't??? It seems like you have been on a crusade after hearing the 'words according to the Mayweathers' that Pacquiao is on drugs.
Give up, know when your argument had been discredited. It will make people think more highly of you ........ well, not really.
Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
In response to the only part that's relevant....
I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.
'maybe to promote the appearence of a clean sport' Your child like nievity is astounding. And in an earlier post I said I was in the realm of fantasy for imagining boxing in a perfect world.....
The important thing is you agree current testing is underfunded and inadequet, and that is the base line of all my argurments.
Rules are for people that follow the rules. People that don't follow the rules don't give a fuk about the rules. Cutting straight to the point, there is not guarantee that people aren't going to cheat. (No matter what safe guards you put into place). You can not devise a perfect system without the participants willingness to put forth integrity.
A prudent step to take is to cut out the participants that don't follow the rules. Thus we have testing to address the issue of banned substances. The NSAC is considered a leader in the US when it comes to combat sports. As such, As a public agency under the watchful eye of the "World", I trust that they make "informed decisions" rather than knee jerk reactions. I do not hold the position that they are adequate or inadequate. I have faith that what ever they do with regards to testing in the sport, is the best that can be done. Whenever a fight comes along, I'm content, ready and I'll just sit at the edge of my chair a watch with enthusiasm.
Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.
You don't??? It seems like you have been on a crusade after hearing the 'words according to the Mayweathers' that Pacquiao is on drugs.
Now I've stopped laughing my arse off I'll reply.....
Its typical behavior of a sterotypical pactard to bring up floyd mayweather whenever their man is under even the slightest critisism.
Seeing as my family including myself have been involved in drug free competion that insists on random out of contest testing for the whole time i've been alive, I highly doubt any of floyd mayweathers ramblings have anything to do with my views.
I have had my views that all athletes in all sports should undergo random blood testing in and out of contest my whole life.
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InTheNeutralCorner
Give up, know when your argument had been discredited. It will make people think more highly of you ........ well, not really.
First off it would take a credible person with some kind of knowledge of steroids and testing to discredit me. Niether you or fan johnny or any other pactard are that person.
Secondly go back a page and read my last post with the big writing for retards like yourself to read.
No one has put a single dent in the 3 main points I have put across. I'm still waiting for them to be contested. Yoiu can't contest them so you try and change the subject to floyd mayweather, which has no relevance to this convo.
Just for you...... this is the 2nd time now, i suppose I'll have to post it three more times after this like usual for you to actually grasp it though.....
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.
pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.
testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough
nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)
i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.
please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.
Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
In response to the only part that's relevant....
I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.
'maybe to promote the appearence of a clean sport' Your child like nievity is astounding. And in an earlier post I said I was in the realm of fantasy for imagining boxing in a perfect world.....
The important thing is you agree current testing is underfunded and inadequet, and that is the base line of all my argurments.
Rules are for people that follow the rules. People that don't follow the rules don't give a fuk about the rules. Cutting straight to the point, there is not guarantee that people aren't going to cheat. (No matter what safe guards you put into place). You can not devise a perfect system without the participants willingness to put forth integrity.
A prudent step to take is to cut out the participants that don't follow the rules. Thus we have testing to address the issue of banned substances. The NSAC is considered a leader in the US when it comes to combat sports. As such, As a public agency under the watchful eye of the "World", I trust that they make "informed decisions" rather than knee jerk reactions. I do not hold the position that they are adequate or inadequate. I have faith that what ever they do with regards to testing in the sport, is the best that can be done. Whenever a fight comes along, I'm content, ready and I'll just sit at the edge of my chair a watch with enthusiasm.
I just see that as rediculously nieve stance to take.
I'm ultra critical of these things, if you sit back and let organisations do what they want expect them to do what's right for them and their wallets, not the good of the sport. Why should I trust NSAC? As I say they will go up in my estimations when they bring in random blood testing, not before.
If you hold peoples feet to the fire and keep organisations on their toes generally I think you get better and more consistant governance.
Yes I do love big mega fights, but ultimately I'm of the opinion that by being stricter on having a level playing and doing more to deter cheating we will get more evenly matched contests and less one sided hammerings that the sport sometimes seems to be plagued with.
Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Hornfinger
Now I've stopped laughing my arse off I'll reply.....
Its typical behavior of a sterotypical pactard to bring up floyd mayweather whenever their man is under even the slightest critisism.
Seeing as my family including myself have been involved in drug free competion that insists on random out of contest testing for the whole time i've been alive, I highly doubt any of floyd mayweathers ramblings have anything to do with my views.
I have had my views that all athletes in all sports should undergo random blood testing in and out of contest my whole life.
I brought up the Mayweathers to discredit (yet again) your statement that "you don't take someone's word as gospel". When did you start with this random drug test, isn't it after the accusations of the Mayweathers? If the Mayweathers don't have anything to do with your crusade, then why didn't I see you bitching about it prior to those accusations? And why were you not after all the other boxers since none of them went through a random drug test? Why are you so obsessed with Pacquiao?
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First off it would take a credible person with some kind of knowledge of steroids and testing to discredit me. Niether you or fan johnny or any other pactard are that person.
Secondly go back a page and read my last post with the big writing for retards like yourself to read.
No one has put a single dent in the 3 main points I have put across. I'm still waiting for them to be contested. Yoiu can't contest them so you try and change the subject to floyd mayweather, which has no relevance to this convo.
You have been discredited time and time again and you won't stop. And we don't need a steroid expert for that, you already did it to yourself. You come up with one lie after the other and once exposed would just shift subjects. Do you want me to expose those lies again?
Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Hornfinger
I just see that as rediculously nieve stance to take.
I'm ultra critical of these things, if you sit back and let organisations do what they want expect them to do what's right for them and their wallets, not the good of the sport. Why should I trust NSAC? As I say they will go up in my estimations when they bring in random blood testing, not before.
If you hold peoples feet to the fire and keep organisations on their toes generally I think you get better and more consistant governance.
Yes I do love big mega fights, but ultimately I'm of the opinion that by being stricter on having a level playing and doing more to deter cheating we will get more evenly matched contests and less one sided hammerings that the sport sometimes seems to be plagued with.
If you don't know the meaning of words you shouldn't try to use them. Don't try and write what others would say because you get it wrong. Your mind is completely warped around pacrtard and flomos. None needs to discredit you, you do that just fine all by yourself. You think you grew up and compete in a drug free competition. I guess that could be true if your talking about the kids baseball team.
As I've stated before you come off as a governmental theory conspirest. You stated your bull shit opinion and couldn't back up specifics with simple facts. When you are provided with facts, You partially accept what you think you comprehend and ignore the rest. Join the fukn USADA organization and lobby for federal funds to stop all PED users. You can be the USADA mascot with the "Take the Test" T-Shirt and run around the paying field accusing all the best players of being on PED's.
Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Hornfinger
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:::PSL:::
Hornfinger :11fb8:
You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.
:lol:
Destroyed you a couple of pages he said. :lolhaha:
Where are those pages? Does those pages have evidence that Pac used steroids?
Go fetch lil' doggie. Arf! arf!
Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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:::PSL:::
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
Hornfinger :11fb8:
You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.
:lol:
Destroyed you a couple of pages he said. :lolhaha:
Where are those pages? Does those pages have evidence that Pac used steroids?
Go fetch lil' doggie. Arf! arf!
Here you go pactard, seeing as you were were too stupid to read it 1st time. what is with having to reapeat posts over and over for pactards?
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Hornfinger
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:::PSL:::
Joeygotfingered,
I'm still waiting for that "Pac on PEDs" proof.
Where the fuck is it?
Yes lets only blood test athletes when we already have proof of them juicing. My God that is FUCKING genius that is. That is the cleverest idea ever! You know that's such an intelligent thing to say I'm sure the people over at MENSA will be beating down your door to get you on board. I mean shit. Let's bring that in at the olympics, the only athletes that will be tested will be the ones that we already have proof of using steroids. It's a good job Einstein is dead cuz he'd be shitting himself right now with boffins like you around. The brains at NASA pale in comparison to your superior logic.......
Sarcasm aside....
As I said in another thread. This argument is the silliest most retarded thing that you can grasp at. It dumb, stupid, idiotic, moronic.... I could go on all day...
Testing solves everything. It gives proof either way. Pacfans should be wanting their hero to take the tests so you can rub it in our faces that he's clean as a whistle. You don't want him taking the tests cuz you have your doubts. I find that funny.
Mak sure you call me daddy from now on, ok little girl.
Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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InTheNeutralCorner
I brought up the Mayweathers to discredit (yet again) your statement that "you don't take someone's word as gospel".
Didn't work did it (seeing as my last post pointed out i've had my views my whole life and long before I'd even heard the name floyd mayweather), instead it made yourself look like a stereotypical pactard that bleets on about mayweather anytime precious pacquiao comes under any kind of scrutiny.
But if you really want to discuss floyd and pac then discuss the following point....
Floyd didn't acuse manny of being a steroid cheat, he simply said that from now on he'd like himself and his opponants to go through random testing before any future fights.I don't see that as being a big ask at all, especially if you are clean.
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InTheNeutralCorner
When did you start with this random drug test, isn't it after the accusations of the Mayweathers? If the Mayweathers don't have anything to do with your crusade, then why didn't I see you bitching about it prior to those accusations? And why were you not after all the other boxers since none of them went through a random drug test? Why are you so obsessed with Pacquiao?
I started being pro random in and out of competition testing when I was 6 years old and used to watch my father compete in the British drug free powerlifting association. My dad was frequently tested and would only lift in the drug free organisation and none of the others because the testing was much more rigorous. My dad was british champion and held records for bench, squat and dead lift.
Years later my brother started in the same organisation and then I also did the same.
What has this got to do with Floyd? Nothing. not a thing. But I'm sure you'll fiond to drag him into it some how.
I'm obessed with fairness in sport. not pacquiao. But like a typical pactard you think the world revolves around your man.
And seeing as I was posting on this site long before you even discovered it how the hell woud you know what I've said about testing in the past?
I said pretty much the same things when roy jones was rumbled years ago and shane mosley.
I've ALWAYS believed in random testing in all sports.
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InTheNeutralCorner
You have been discredited time and time again and you won't stop. And we don't need a steroid expert for that, you already did it to yourself. You come up with one lie after the other and once exposed would just shift subjects. Do you want me to expose those lies again?
You keep telling yourself you've discredited me, but the fact is you are yet to make a dent in the points that I reposted (for a second time, onto the 3rd time now), Do I need to repost them for you agiain so you can dodge them again?
If you've discredited me where the fucks the evidence?
Wheres the discreditation of this?
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.
pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.
testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough
nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)
i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.
please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.
I'll tell you where it is, fucking NO WHERE.
If by discredit you mean made yourself look like a pactard that avoids the issues then yes, I agree.
Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
Hornfinger :11fb8:
You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.
:lol:
Destroyed you a couple of pages he said. :lolhaha:
Where are those pages? Does those pages have evidence that Pac used steroids?
Go fetch lil' doggie. Arf! arf!
Here you go pactard, seeing as you were were too stupid to read it 1st time. what is with having to reapeat posts over and over for pactards?
I don't see hornfinger destroying anybody in these posts. The only thing I see destroyed is his reputation. Oh, my mistake. He has none you say.
And I don't think he should be calling anyone 'stupid'. He already owns that.
Re: WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
Hornfinger :11fb8:
You're still upset cuz I destroyed you a couple of pages ago I understand that.
:lol:
Destroyed you a couple of pages he said. :lolhaha:
Where are those pages? Does those pages have evidence that Pac used steroids?
Go fetch lil' doggie. Arf! arf!
Here you go pactard, seeing as you were were too stupid to read it 1st time. what is with having to reapeat posts over and over for pactards?
I don't see hornfinger destroying anybody in these posts. The only thing I see destroyed is his reputation. Oh, my mistake. He has none you say.
And I don't think he should be calling anyone 'stupid'. He already owns that.
HAHAHAHA The only thing that's been established is that you can't read! :lolhaha:
If I've destroyed nothing in my last reply to you how came you've dodged the three main points of may arguement yet again? Hysterical. Are you choosing to ignore it because you can't read it or cuz you have no answer to it. I think it is a combination of the former and the later.
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@Horn - Can you give me a quick point breakdown, i'm lost to what point you currently trying to make?
The thread is huge and tons of back and forth... So the important stuff is like a needle in a hay stack right now...
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cnote111
@Horn - Can you give me a quick point breakdown, i'm lost to what point you currently trying to make?
The thread is huge and tons of back and forth... So the important stuff is like a needle in a hay stack right now...
yup no problem mate
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.
pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.
testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough
nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)
i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.
please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.
That is my stance. And in my opinion no one has given me any good reason or argument why I should change that point of view.
Fan johnny has given some good arguements.
PSL has been a tyopical blinkered pac fan and put forward some absolutely stupid points
Neutral corner keeps saying i'm discredited but instead of actually saying how or why I'm discredited he starts talking about floyd mayweather.
That is the small and skinny of it thus far.
