The Cotto vs. Mayweather saga explained to the haters.

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

Great post, Frozen! Bunch of other people (me included) have been saying similar things in a variety of different threads, but you put it out there clearly, accurately, and created a thread that needed put out there. I don't know how anybody can argue with this. We've seen the way Floyd likes to build the mega-fight, and I'm sure that's exactly what is happening now.

There is nobody who would rather see Cotto beat up Mayweather than me, except maybe Danny G and Puya, but I'm willing to wait for this fight to happen in 2009. It will be just that more exciting when it happens. I'm not sure why Floyd bothers to build it up anymore, because he's got more money than he will every need, but it's just a different mentality for professional athletes. No amount of money seems to be enough.

All Cotto needs to do is live up to his end and take care of the Margo/Cintron winner. Honestly, I think some people are afraid that Cotto will lose to Tony and the opportunity will disappear. I believe in Cotto and I'm willing to wait. There are enough great fights in 2008 that I can wait until 2009.

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LOL. You are so right why loose to Cotto and earn some $$ when he can still loose to Cotto and earn more $$ doing it. ;D;D;D;D

Not But seriously I'm not picking a winner both are great talents but as a boxing fan I just want to see the fight. I just really don't care about build ups and all that crap but I undersand they need that to earn more $$$$. Do your thing Floyd but promise me you will fight Cotto in 2009

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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Originally Posted by the wiz

The reason Arum is putting Cotto vs the winner of Margarito-Cintron is the fact it's pretty obvious that Floyd wants no part of Cotto at this point. Floyd is going to fight the big money pay day against ole man De La Hoya. But if he was not doing this I'm sure they'd be trying to put Cotto vs Floyd. The major stumbling block with Cotto vs Floyd happening is this lawsuit Floyd has recently filed aginst Top Rank. I just don't see Floyd fighting in a fight in which Arum is involved.

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Perhaps you should read the interview on boxingtalk.com first before making statements like that. Arum has never been shy about saying that Floyd is ducking his guys, but he doesn't even mention Floyd in the interview.

What Arum wants is a Margarito vs. Cotto unification match because they are both Top Rank fighters, and he can cash out on Margarito now.

As for your "Old Man Delahoya," statement, you do realize that Delahoya is younger than Mosley, right? So using that same logic, Cotto's best wins came against a post Floyd Mayweather, post Carlos Baldomir, Zab Judah and an Old Man Mosley. Don't forget that Delahoya was coming off of a brutal KO of Ricardo Mayorga and Mayweather MOVED UP IN WEIGHT to fight Delahoya.

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I still pick Mosley to beat de La Hoya to beat Oscar any day no matter his age Mosley physical condition if far superior than Oscar even if Oscar is younger.

IF you don't believe that ask B-Hop

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I give Mayweather the benefit of the doubt that he will fight Cotto in 2009. If not than maybe there is some truth to all this ducking talk.

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I'll be the first one to admit it, IF Cotto doesn't lose first.

We remember what happened with the whole "Mayweather is ducking Margarito," nonsense.........
That whole theory lost a lot of credibility after Paul Williams beat Margarito.

And more recently, people were starting up with the "Mayweather is ducking Paul Williams," BS. Funny how we don't hear that too much on this forum these days.

But, I do think that Cotto is the real deal and I don't see him having too much of a problem disposing of Gomez and Margarito/Cintron. I've been wrong before though (Paul Williams)

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The reason Cotto's schedule is set for most of this year is because he couldn't get Mayweather to step in the ring with him. Thus, why wait for someone who would rather bore fans with a rematch with Oscar than excite fans with a fight with Cotto? Also, Cotto is fighting the much harder/riskier competition for less money as opposed to Floyd, who is fighting the less riskier, higher reward fights. One Cotto loss by split decision or close unanimous decision would make Floyd and his fans say: "Told You so!" Thank God that Cotto takes his fights seriously and will prepare for every fight so as not to mess up his opportunity against Floyd. One Cotto loss shouldn't ruin his chances against Floyd. I mean, look at all the losses Floyd's last opponents have had. Floyd will use that one loss as an excuse not to get in the ring with Cotto, but he didn't use it against any of his past opponents.

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Originally Posted by Mar

...every fighter who hasn't already been beaten by floyd will claim he's ducking them, that will never change.

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Floyd has not stood still long enough in any division for anyone to make that claim and it looks as though he will stay somewhere between 147 to 154. He has yet to unify anything other than his two lips on ODLH's nuts. Floyd has ducked a lot of fighters while moving up.

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He can fight cotto tommorow

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He should but he wont.

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and the next guy will jump right in his place with the same silly claims the next day,

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When you make claims about how great you are and you also have people who will believe these claims (his little fans) Fighters will try to call him out becuase fighters want to fight the best.

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one week it's oscar,

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It was never Oscar who wanted to fight PBF. Don't ever get this twisted. Oscar is every fighters dream and their HUGE MEAL ticket. Floyd could not attrack flies if he was covered in shit and sprinkled with powdered sugar. Floyd already faced Oscar, why fight him again? Didn't he beat him? They should have never given floyd the split decision. To be the champ, you have to BEAT the champ and Floyd did not beat Oscar. I know it sounds twisted but the truth is Floyd got another gift like he did against Castillo.

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the next hatton, now it's cotto geeeez the guy would have to fight every weekend to keep people happy, how badly people want to see him loose (reguardless of who it is) is funny. They build up every so called floyd slayer the same way, and the result is always the same.

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Floyd has a bullseye on his back. Floyd has not faught a slayer in a very long time. Name the slayers Floyd has faced? You will have to go back a few years wont you.?

Danny you are relentless...

The thing is though, you do make some great points. There are alot of people on here loving Floyd claiming that this fight doesn't have to happen. I'm not gunna say its ducking yet because I believe that logic will prevail in the end, just like it did with the Hatton fight.

However, Cotto is by far the most dangerous threat to Mayweather and I'm sure that while he has his schedule wrapped up for the rest of the year, he drop everything if Floyd said yes to the fight. There is no real reason for the fight not to happen this year, but its not in the works so I have accepted it for now.

Mar, you have said that fans line people up to beat Floyd and this will always happen. You're right in some sense as I always felt the Margo ducking was a load of crap as Margo had done nothing to make me think the fight would go any other way than a win for Floyd, and I didn't think he deserved the fight. But with Cotto it is very different. He has paid his dues. He is undefeated. He is a natural Welter, a fellow champion and is looking better with every fight. You'll find that this is the most anticipated fight on the planet right now, and opinion to who would win is divided. It would make soooooooooo much money now.

For now though, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. At the moment I believe what it comes down to is that Floyd cares more about making money than giving the fans the fight they want. If Cotto offers more money than anything else, I think he'll take the fight. It's all about the most money for the least risk.

For about the 3 billionth time....

If Floyd and Cotto are both still undefeated at the end of 2008, and Floyd doesn't make Cotto his first opponent of 2009, then criticize Floyd for ducking Cotto all you want. Fill the entire message board with anti-Floyd threads for all I care. You won't hear one bit of complaining from myself and many other Floyd fans, because the criticism will be justified.

But not now. Right now in March 2008, all this stuff is premature.

Its just hilarious how hatton was definately gonna be the guy to take floyd down and when he got knocked the fuck out, cotto is now the guy. Before then it was margarito and paul williams, gatti and dela hoya. See a pattern?

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Originally Posted by snakey

Its just hilarious how hatton was definately gonna be the guy to take floyd down and when he got knocked the fuck out, cotto is now the guy. Before then it was margarito and paul williams, gatti and dela hoya. See a pattern?

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You must live in a different world then the rest of us because those of us who have been paying attention, witnessed what Hatton was capeable of doing as a welter weight and that was SHIT. He got chased back down to the junior welter weight didnt he? And this is before PBF, so what the hell are you talking about?

A couple of things about that fight still stand out. Joe Cortez helping Floyd along, Hatton getting frustrated, all the cheating Floyd had to do to win and the one dimmensional fighter we saw in Hatton. This Hatton we saw against Floyd can be beat by top 10 Welter Weight and now Floyd wants to fight him again? LMAO! I would still rather see a Williams or a Margarito vs PBF than I would see a ODLH or Hatton/PBF again.

Let's not cover this up by not mentioning Cotto. Why did you leave Cotto's name out of this? Interesting.

I don't think Floyd is ducking Cotto at all. Considering Floyd and Cotto continue to win their fights, this fight WILL happen. I never expected it to happen in 2008 but definitely in 2009.

For history's sake, fights that pop in my head that are in the same category are Tyson vs Holyfield, Leonard vs Hagler, Pacuquiao vs Marquez II. Sure it would be awesome to watch them fight as soon as it's desired, but, delaying a fight increases the hype and tension (not to mention, bigger paydays).

I agree with the most of you in saying that if Floyd doesn't vocally state he wants Cotto or nothing is to happen by 2009, then it's safe to say Floyd MIGHT be ducking Cotto. But I think Floyd is just waiting for it to be a money making machine.

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Originally Posted by Rican

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I give Mayweather the benefit of the doubt that he will fight Cotto in 2009. If not than maybe there is some truth to all this ducking talk.

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I'll be the first one to admit it, IF Cotto doesn't lose first.

We remember what happened with the whole "Mayweather is ducking Margarito," nonsense.........
That whole theory lost a lot of credibility after Paul Williams beat Margarito.

And more recently, people were starting up with the "Mayweather is ducking Paul Williams," BS. Funny how we don't hear that too much on this forum these days.

But, I do think that Cotto is the real deal and I don't see him having too much of a problem disposing of Gomez and Margarito/Cintron. I've been wrong before though (Paul Williams)

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The reason Cotto's schedule is set for most of this year is because he couldn't get Mayweather to step in the ring with him. Thus, why wait for someone who would rather bore fans with a rematch with Oscar than excite fans with a fight with Cotto? Also, Cotto is fighting the much harder/riskier competition for less money as opposed to Floyd, who is fighting the less riskier, higher reward fights. One Cotto loss by split decision or close unanimous decision would make Floyd and his fans say: "Told You so!" Thank God that Cotto takes his fights seriously and will prepare for every fight so as not to mess up his opportunity against Floyd. One Cotto loss shouldn't ruin his chances against Floyd. I mean, look at all the losses Floyd's last opponents have had. Floyd will use that one loss as an excuse not to get in the ring with Cotto, but he didn't use it against any of his past opponents.

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Hey Rican I'm really completely agree in all what you had been saying.....:cool:

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Originally Posted by Mar

...every fighter who hasn't already been beaten by floyd will claim he's ducking them, that will never change. He can fight cotto tommorow and the next guy will jump right in his place with the same silly claims the next day, one week it's oscar, the next hatton, now it's cotto geeeez the guy would have to fight every weekend to keep people happy, how badly people want to see him loose (reguardless of who it is) is funny. They build up every so called floyd slayer the same way, and the result is always the same.

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You act like floyd is a god or something. Can't believe you guys get fooled so easily by such a transparent act. Cotto would be his toughest challenge to date and would actually have a good chance to beat him come fight night.

It seems that you guys are impressed by his big talk and wins over guys that shouldn't even be in the ring with him.

I've been watching boxing for a long time and never seen such blatant ducking or a guy get so much credit for just talking a good game and not doing anything to really prove it.

I'll give you guys a good example: It's like Notre Dame college football team, they have been such a popular team for such a long time. If they are the 20Th ranked team in the nation and your team beats them, how can your team call themselves national champs regardless of how much money the networks made?

Answer: they can't.

Fight the best and beat the best and then you can start talking about yourself as the best or possibly all time great.

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Originally Posted by Mar

I've been watching boxing for a long time and never seen such blatant ducking or a guy get so much credit for just talking a good game and not doing anything to really prove it.

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You must have never followed Prince Hamed's career then.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

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Originally Posted by Mar

I've been watching boxing for a long time and never seen such blatant ducking or a guy get so much credit for just talking a good game and not doing anything to really prove it.

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You must have never followed Prince Hamed's career then.

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Good point

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Originally Posted by ragintorent

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

How can anybody say that Mayweather is ducking/not giving a shot/avoiding Miguel Cotto? When you lay out the facts, it's pretty obvious that everything is coming together very nicely.

We all know that Miguel Cotto is fighting Alfonso Gomez soon and Floyd Mayweather is giving Oscar Delahoya a rematch later this year, a rematch that makes too much sense to pass up. Oscar Delahoya gave Mayweather his toughest fight since his first fight with Jose Luis Castillo en route to losing a split decision, while both fighters made more money that they ever had before. Don't forget, that many people (admittedly mostly people that don't really follow boxing) thought that Delahoya was robbed. Meanwhile, Miguel Cotto is fighting the extremely inferior Alfonso Gomez. According to Bob Arum's latest interview on boxingtalk.com, he's got Cotto slated to fight the winner of Cintron vs. Margarito later this year. My question is this.....

How is Mayweather avoiding Cotto when Bob Arum has Cotto's schedule wrapped up for the rest of the year??



For those that are new to boxing, allow me to explain how this works.

Cotto unifies the WBA and IBF belts by beating Cintron/Margarito. Mayweather successfully defends his WBC title against the extremely popular and big $$$ maker Oscar Delahoya. In the meantime, Mayweather is doing things to increase his popularity amongst the general population in hopes to make his name a household name, i.e. "Dancing With the Stars," "Wrestlemania," etc. So that people who don't even watch or follow boxing will still shell out $59.95 for a PPV ala Oscar Delahoya.

Then early next year, we will have one of the biggest, most lucrative welterweight unification championships ever when undefeated champion/household name Floyd Mayweather Jr. takes on the fellow undefeated champion/vicious, hungry Miguel Cotto.

Do the haters honestly believe that this fight would be that big of a deal ($$$) if the fight happened 2 months ago, tomorrow, or 4 months from now??

Of course not. But because boxing is a big money business for the highly successful fighters, this is how it will play out. Bob Arum knows this, Floyd Mayweather knows this, Miguel Cotto knows this, I know this, when is it going to sink in to the haters' heads?

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LOL Floyd has ducked everyone from Casa to Kostya to Margarito and now Cotto. Give it a rest already.

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Originally Posted by the wiz

To all the Floyd lovers that for some reason think Floyd isn't ducking Cotto defend this one, this is in an excerpt from an article.....

Mayweather, 39-0 with 25 knockouts in the boxing ring, stopped England's Ricky Hatton in the 10th round last December to keep his crown but resists the idea to fight rival champions such as undefeated Miguel Cotto, calling him one-dimensional and talking down his promoter, Bob Arum.

"I'm not going to fight those guys and make them big. They fight Floyd Mayweather that makes them big. I'm not going to let no more fighters piggyback on me," Mayweather said.

"If Oscar de la Hoya wants one more chance to get his ass kicked, we can make it happen. If Ricky Hatton wants one more chance to get his ass kicked, we can make it happen."



For one, what fighters have piggybacked Floyd and made themselves big by fighting Floyd, this guy is delusional!!! Nice to see he's ready to fight guys he's already beaten.

Full article below...

AFP: Mayweather to drop uncle as trainer if he stays with Forbes

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Haha it's the total opposite, Floyd is the one fighting popular guys who bring the cash yet he STILL thinks he is the major draw. Loser