The Cotto vs. Mayweather saga explained to the haters.

[frozensolid_702]

How can anybody say that Mayweather is ducking/not giving a shot/avoiding Miguel Cotto? When you lay out the facts, it's pretty obvious that everything is coming together very nicely.

We all know that Miguel Cotto is fighting Alfonso Gomez soon and Floyd Mayweather is giving Oscar Delahoya a rematch later this year, a rematch that makes too much sense to pass up. Oscar Delahoya gave Mayweather his toughest fight since his first fight with Jose Luis Castillo en route to losing a split decision, while both fighters made more money that they ever had before. Don't forget, that many people (admittedly mostly people that don't really follow boxing) thought that Delahoya was robbed. Meanwhile, Miguel Cotto is fighting the extremely inferior Alfonso Gomez. According to Bob Arum's latest interview on boxingtalk.com, he's got Cotto slated to fight the winner of Cintron vs. Margarito later this year. My question is this.....

How is Mayweather avoiding Cotto when Bob Arum has Cotto's schedule wrapped up for the rest of the year??



For those that are new to boxing, allow me to explain how this works.

Cotto unifies the WBA and IBF belts by beating Cintron/Margarito. Mayweather successfully defends his WBC title against the extremely popular and big $$$ maker Oscar Delahoya. In the meantime, Mayweather is doing things to increase his popularity amongst the general population in hopes to make his name a household name, i.e. "Dancing With the Stars," "Wrestlemania," etc. So that people who don't even watch or follow boxing will still shell out $59.95 for a PPV ala Oscar Delahoya.

Then early next year, we will have one of the biggest, most lucrative welterweight unification championships ever when undefeated champion/household name Floyd Mayweather Jr. takes on the fellow undefeated champion/vicious, hungry Miguel Cotto.

Do the haters honestly believe that this fight would be that big of a deal ($$$) if the fight happened 2 months ago, tomorrow, or 4 months from now??

Of course not. But because boxing is a big money business for the highly successful fighters, this is how it will play out. Bob Arum knows this, Floyd Mayweather knows this, Miguel Cotto knows this, I know this, when is it going to sink in to the haters' heads?

[ono]

Similar situation with Hatton and Witter. It's all about timing. They will fight.....just no need to make the fight tommorrow if its more lucrative next year.

[Violent Demise]

I give Mayweather the benefit of the doubt that he will fight Cotto in 2009. If not than maybe there is some truth to all this ducking talk.

[bzkfn]

I give Mayweather the benefit of the doubt that he will fight Cotto in 2009. If not than maybe there is some truth to all this ducking talk.

I'm in the same boat as you VD. I didn't think Floyd would ever fight Ricky but it came off. Floyd seems to be about the master build up. Its his way of business as he sees it as the best way to make the most money. However, if it doesn't happen in 2009 then I would suggest Cotto is being ducked.

[CFH]

I give Mayweather the benefit of the doubt that he will fight Cotto in 2009. If not than maybe there is some truth to all this ducking talk.

I agree it's way too soon to say that PBF is ducking or is afraid of Cotto. The only thing Mayweather is afraid of is being poor.

[RozzySean]

Great post, Frozen! Bunch of other people (me included) have been saying similar things in a variety of different threads, but you put it out there clearly, accurately, and created a thread that needed put out there. I don't know how anybody can argue with this. We've seen the way Floyd likes to build the mega-fight, and I'm sure that's exactly what is happening now.

There is nobody who would rather see Cotto beat up Mayweather than me, except maybe Danny G and Puya, but I'm willing to wait for this fight to happen in 2009. It will be just that more exciting when it happens. I'm not sure why Floyd bothers to build it up anymore, because he's got more money than he will every need, but it's just a different mentality for professional athletes. No amount of money seems to be enough.

All Cotto needs to do is live up to his end and take care of the Margo/Cintron winner. Honestly, I think some people are afraid that Cotto will lose to Tony and the opportunity will disappear. I believe in Cotto and I'm willing to wait. There are enough great fights in 2008 that I can wait until 2009.

[Majesty]

that is unless forbes beats Oscar and Gomez beats Cotto

Who's up for Mayweather vs Forbes with both mayweathers training against each other!!! Thats a ppv seller

[the wiz]

The reason Arum is putting Cotto vs the winner of Margarito-Cintron is the fact it's pretty obvious that Floyd wants no part of Cotto at this point. Floyd is going to fight the big money pay day against ole man De La Hoya. But if he was not doing this I'm sure they'd be trying to put Cotto vs Floyd. The major stumbling block with Cotto vs Floyd happening is this lawsuit Floyd has recently filed aginst Top Rank. I just don't see Floyd fighting in a fight in which Arum is involved.

[frozensolid_702]

I give Mayweather the benefit of the doubt that he will fight Cotto in 2009. If not than maybe there is some truth to all this ducking talk.

I'll be the first one to admit it, IF Cotto doesn't lose first.

We remember what happened with the whole "Mayweather is ducking Margarito," nonsense.........
That whole theory lost a lot of credibility after Paul Williams beat Margarito.

And more recently, people were starting up with the "Mayweather is ducking Paul Williams," BS. Funny how we don't hear that too much on this forum these days.

But, I do think that Cotto is the real deal and I don't see him having too much of a problem disposing of Gomez and Margarito/Cintron. I've been wrong before though (Paul Williams)

[frozensolid_702]

The reason Arum is putting Cotto vs the winner of Margarito-Cintron is the fact it's pretty obvious that Floyd wants no part of Cotto at this point. Floyd is going to fight the big money pay day against ole man De La Hoya. But if he was not doing this I'm sure they'd be trying to put Cotto vs Floyd. The major stumbling block with Cotto vs Floyd happening is this lawsuit Floyd has recently filed aginst Top Rank. I just don't see Floyd fighting in a fight in which Arum is involved.

Perhaps you should read the interview on boxingtalk.com first before making statements like that. Arum has never been shy about saying that Floyd is ducking his guys, but he doesn't even mention Floyd in the interview.

What Arum wants is a Margarito vs. Cotto unification match because they are both Top Rank fighters, and he can cash out on Margarito now.

As for your "Old Man Delahoya," statement, you do realize that Delahoya is younger than Mosley, right? So using that same logic, Cotto's best wins came against a post Floyd Mayweather, post Carlos Baldomir, Zab Judah and an Old Man Mosley. Don't forget that Delahoya was coming off of a brutal KO of Ricardo Mayorga and Mayweather MOVED UP IN WEIGHT to fight Delahoya.

[Galaxy]

Nice Thread Frozen! I agree with everything you said. This ducking talk is getting a little tiring. This fight is a must & will eventually come together. Then we can see who laughing at the end!

[the wiz]

The reason Arum is putting Cotto vs the winner of Margarito-Cintron is the fact it's pretty obvious that Floyd wants no part of Cotto at this point. Floyd is going to fight the big money pay day against ole man De La Hoya. But if he was not doing this I'm sure they'd be trying to put Cotto vs Floyd. The major stumbling block with Cotto vs Floyd happening is this lawsuit Floyd has recently filed aginst Top Rank. I just don't see Floyd fighting in a fight in which Arum is involved.

Perhaps you should read the interview on boxingtalk.com first before making statements like that. Arum has never been shy about saying that Floyd is ducking his guys, but he doesn't even mention Floyd in the interview.

What Arum wants is a Margarito vs. Cotto unification match because they are both Top Rank fighters, and he can cash out on Margarito now.

As for your "Old Man Delahoya," statement, you do realize that Delahoya is younger than Mosley, right? So using that same logic, Cotto's best wins came against a post Floyd Mayweather, post Carlos Baldomir, Zab Judah and an Old Man Mosley. Don't forget that Delahoya was coming off of a brutal KO of Ricardo Mayorga and Mayweather MOVED UP IN WEIGHT to fight Delahoya.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Floyd sated many times that he doesn't want to fight Cotto? I'm pretty sure he's said that Cotto isn't at his stature at this point and until he's at the pay per view level of Floyd he won't be fighting him.

[SigmaMu]

How can anybody say that Mayweather is ducking/not giving a shot/avoiding Miguel Cotto? When you lay out the facts, it's pretty obvious that everything is coming together very nicely.

How so?

We all know that Miguel Cotto is fighting Alfonso Gomez soon and Floyd Mayweather is giving Oscar Delahoya a rematch later this year, a rematch that makes too much sense to pass up.

It makes sense only to Floyd and to ODLH. This makes no sense to the fans since the first fight was not a real fight.
I have seen more action in a backyard brawl free of charge biatch.

Oscar Delahoya gave Mayweather his toughest fight since his first fight with Jose Luis Castillo en route to losing a split decision, while both fighters made more money that they ever had before. Don't forget, that many people (admittedly mostly people that don't really follow boxing) thought that Delahoya was robbed. Meanwhile, Miguel Cotto is fighting the extremely inferior Alfonso Gomez. According to Bob Arum's latest interview on boxingtalk.com, he's got Cotto slated to fight the winner of Cintron vs. Margarito later this year. My question is this.....

I need to burp. (Insert burp here <-----

How is Mayweather avoiding Cotto when Bob Arum has Cotto's schedule wrapped up for the rest of the year??

Last night, Miguel was on Don Francisco. When asked about why ODLH will not fight him, Cotto replied that he does not know
Why ODLH is choosing to take the route that he is taking. He did say that he wanted to unify the division but that he was not going
to sit around and wait for anyone. If you recall, Joy made Margarito wait and wait and wait. Floyd claimed he was retired which was a ploy
to get Tony off his ass. Once Tony moved on, Floyd came right back. Now everyone wants to see Cotto/Mayweather but chicken boy Floyd after the
ODLH fight said he was reitiring, and he said it again after the Hatton fight. He keeps saying he is retiring and this forces Cotto to move on.
Again, it is Floyd who is playing little chicken shit games and trying to avoid the best and REAL welter weight champions. He has you fooled but not me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14WjZb20kZo
This is a little reminder of Floyd making the claims of not wanting to fight any welter weight.
What he really ment was, I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT MIGUEL COTTO, who is right now, THEE best Welter Weight. Did you think Cotto was dumb enough to make the same mistake Tony made? Nope! Fuck Floyd, if the bitch wont fight, Cotto will find some one else with the balls who will.

For those that are new to boxing, allow me to explain how this works.

For those of you who are new to Saddo, Frozen Solid would suck Floyd's stick if Floyd would let him.

Cotto unifies the WBA and IBF belts by beating Cintron/Margarito. Mayweather successfully defends his WBC title against the extremely popular and big $$$ maker Oscar Delahoya.

No one knows if this is a title fight. Sit down. We don't know at what weight these two bitch boys are going to dance at.

In the meantime, Mayweather is doing things to increase his popularity amongst the general population in hopes to make his name a household name, i.e. "Dancing With the Stars," "Wrestlemania," etc. So that people who don't even watch or follow boxing will still shell out $59.95 for a PPV ala Oscar Delahoya.

I don't care what Floyd does, he will never be like ODLH in ticket sales. Oscar can fight any bum and still bring in the bank. Floyd, on the other hand needs someone
popular like ODLH or Ricky Hatton to make a decent event. Fighting Cotto should make sense because EVERYONE wants to see them fight. What don't you and Floyd understand about this. Every boxing site and Forum talks about Cotto/PBF this includes writers, sportscaster, commentators, you name it, they want it.

Then early next year, we will have one of the biggest, most lucrative welterweight unification championships ever when undefeated champion/household name Floyd Mayweather Jr. takes on the fellow undefeated champion/vicious, hungry Miguel Cotto.

You don't even believe this shit. You don't want to see this fight just like you did not want to see PBF vs Margarito. So, why have you been wanting to see
Cotto/Margarito but not the other way around?

Do the haters honestly believe that this fight would be that big of a deal ($$$) if the fight happened 2 months ago, tomorrow, or 4 months from now??

We are tired of talking about it. Make it happen. We know Floyd will not deliver. We know he lies and cheats. This is his M.O.

Of course not. But because boxing is a big money business for the highly successful fighters, this is how it will play out. Bob Arum knows this, Floyd Mayweather knows this, Miguel Cotto knows this, I know this, when is it going to sink in to the haters' heads?

Blah blah blah blah.
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[the wiz]

To all the Floyd lovers that for some reason think Floyd isn't ducking Cotto defend this one, this is in an excerpt from an article.....

Mayweather, 39-0 with 25 knockouts in the boxing ring, stopped England's Ricky Hatton in the 10th round last December to keep his crown but resists the idea to fight rival champions such as undefeated Miguel Cotto, calling him one-dimensional and talking down his promoter, Bob Arum.

"I'm not going to fight those guys and make them big. They fight Floyd Mayweather that makes them big. I'm not going to let no more fighters piggyback on me," Mayweather said.

"If Oscar de la Hoya wants one more chance to get his ass kicked, we can make it happen. If Ricky Hatton wants one more chance to get his ass kicked, we can make it happen."



For one, what fighters have piggybacked Floyd and made themselves big by fighting Floyd, this guy is delusional!!! Nice to see he's ready to fight guys he's already beaten.

Full article below...

AFP: Mayweather to drop uncle as trainer if he stays with Forbes

[Mar]

...every fighter who hasn't already been beaten by floyd will claim he's ducking them, that will never change. He can fight cotto tommorow and the next guy will jump right in his place with the same silly claims the next day, one week it's oscar, the next hatton, now it's cotto geeeez the guy would have to fight every weekend to keep people happy, how badly people want to see him loose (reguardless of who it is) is funny. They build up every so called floyd slayer the same way, and the result is always the same.