Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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OnixAA
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Master
Whilst Margarito's chin is made from granite, Cotto's body shots could put him down.
Ya we could say the same of Cotto falling from MArg's body shots. And we already know his chin is suspect.
How does he have a suspect chin? He has never been dropped or knocked out. You have no clue what you are saying.
I know he was pulled down by Torres and it was ruled a knock down but if you know about boxing you can clearly see he was pulled. You keep believing Cotto has a suspect chin. It's the same mistake many of his opponents have made, I think this is a good thing for Cotto becuase he is underestimated until it becomes too late. They all fall into this trap about how slow they hear Cotto is or how one dimmensional he is or how all he knows how to do is come forward, am I right?
I dont think Cotto is slow or that he's one dimensional. He showed alot of slickness in the mosley fight and if anything that is what would be the hardest thing for Marg. to deal with. I did see the Torres fight and it could have been a throwdown. But he was having a hard time with him regardless, a small Torres. Zab rocked him in there fight, Clottey rocked him in there fight. Margarito hits harder than all of them. Cotto cant KO Marg period. He's gonna have to get on a horse, do you think Cotto will run from an opponent? I give him more credit and respect than that, but that will be his undoing.
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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OnixAA
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OnixAA
Ya we could say the same of Cotto falling from MArg's body shots. And we already know his chin is suspect.
How does he have a suspect chin? He has never been dropped or knocked out. You have no clue what you are saying.
I know he was pulled down by Torres and it was ruled a knock down but if you know about boxing you can clearly see he was pulled. You keep believing Cotto has a suspect chin. It's the same mistake many of his opponents have made, I think this is a good thing for Cotto becuase he is underestimated until it becomes too late. They all fall into this trap about how slow they hear Cotto is or how one dimmensional he is or how all he knows how to do is come forward, am I right?
I dont think Cotto is slow or that he's one dimensional. He showed alot of slickness in the mosley fight and if anything that is what would be the hardest thing for Marg. to deal with. I did see the Torres fight and it could have been a throwdown. But he was having a hard time with him regardless, a small Torres. Zab rocked him in there fight, Clottey rocked him in there fight. Margarito hits harder than all of them. Cotto cant KO Marg period. He's gonna have to get on a horse, do you think Cotto will run from an opponent? I give him more credit and respect than that, but that will be his undoing.
Cotto wont be dumb enough to try and bang all night with Tony because that would be futile. Cotto will mix it up enough to grab the win. Cotto will box and yes he will get on his horse. I also believe that Cotto will rope a dope and then try and counter Tony in between those rope a dopes. It should be a great fight. Remember boxing is not always about how hard one can hit but rather how smart one can fight. It's not all physical, 90 percent of the game is mental. :lickish:
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
And for you to say that Tony hits harder than Zab or Mosley?
:o
I think all three hit pretty hard but to put Tony above these two, I would have to disagree.
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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And for you to say that Tony hits harder than Zab or Mosley?
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I think all three hit pretty hard but to put Tony above these two, I would have to disagree.
Way off bro. Zab doesn't have the power of a natural WW. In fact his power is over rated to an extent.Apart from the Rivera and Corey stoppages,which other good stopapges does he have? Marg hits far harder than Zab,a natural WW,heavier handed and throws far more.
Mosley doesn't have that great power anymore. Back in the days,in his prime at 147,I'd say he hits harder than Tony. Now,I'm not so sure.
And no offence but if Cotto tries to rop a dope Tony,he's leaving the arena in a stratcher. Most of Tony's stoppages come on the ropes.He's devestating there. And as for Cotto dropping Tony,that's a possibility,but Tony has been down from bodyshots when he was a teenager/growing man fighting big grown men.The last time he was dropped was in 99 v Danny Perez.Cotto could hurt him early but I GUARANTEE that Tony will hurt Cotto at some point.
All in all,it'll be a great fight! The fans' are the winners. This is the REAL SHOWDOWN THIS YEAR. GO STICK YOUR MAYWEATHER V OSCAR AND HATTON 2 UP YOUR ASS Floyd.
And JT,you're insane! Really insane. And tho those that think Cotto is going to outbox Marg easily,let's not get over excited. Marg cuts off the ring.Ask Santos.It takes 1,000 plus punches to beat him,that was just about,ask PW.He can take your best power shots,ask Cintron.So to say that Cotto will merely easily outbox Cotto is too simplistic and does not take into account A WHOLE LOAD of other factors.
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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How does he have a suspect chin? He has never been dropped or knocked out. You have no clue what you are saying.
I know he was pulled down by Torres and it was ruled a knock down but if you know about boxing you can clearly see he was pulled. You keep believing Cotto has a suspect chin. It's the same mistake many of his opponents have made, I think this is a good thing for Cotto becuase he is underestimated until it becomes too late. They all fall into this trap about how slow they hear Cotto is or how one dimmensional he is or how all he knows how to do is come forward, am I right?
I dont think Cotto is slow or that he's one dimensional. He showed alot of slickness in the mosley fight and if anything that is what would be the hardest thing for Marg. to deal with. I did see the Torres fight and it could have been a throwdown. But he was having a hard time with him regardless, a small Torres. Zab rocked him in there fight, Clottey rocked him in there fight. Margarito hits harder than all of them. Cotto cant KO Marg period. He's gonna have to get on a horse, do you think Cotto will run from an opponent? I give him more credit and respect than that, but that will be his undoing.
Cotto wont be dumb enough to try and bang all night with Tony because that would be futile. Cotto will mix it up enough to grab the win. Cotto will box and yes he will get on his horse. I also believe that Cotto will rope a dope and then try and counter Tony in between those rope a dopes. It should be a great fight. Remember boxing is not always about how hard one can hit but rather how smart one can fight. It's not all physical, 90 percent of the game is mental. :lickish:
Haha why I gotta be a Noob?! I agree with you in terms of him trying to pull some kind of rope a dope stunt but I dont think he'll get on a horse, I think he'll duck and dodge but stay in to get his shots off. I'm sure you would agree that Cotto is a fighter and he also knows his punching strength which he is going to want to get off. But, Cotto has not faced anyone with Marg. tolerance for punishment, he will get his shots in but Marg will walk through them and get his own in. And you yourself have already stated that punching it out would be "futile" for Cotto.
While Marg. has been dropped that was a long time ago and recently no one has even come close to dazing him! unfortunately you know we cant say the same about your boy Cotto.
I agree with most of your last post, and boxing is mental as well as physical and I would surely agree that Cotto had the ring smarts of a PHD, but you have to allow for Marg. to at the very least have a Masters in that dept. as well, that being said he also had more power and a stronger chin.
It truly is a coin flip and will be decided by what Cotto decides to do and what Marg. can do if Cotto decides to box, but I know Cotto is gonna have a hard time just boxing all night and that will be his downfall...i've said that already on this thread but it is the truth
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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You're crazy JT. Cotto is far from fucked, he's a class above Margarito. Margarito isn't really the hardest hitter and while he has a decent uppercut, he doesn't have all the weapons that Cotto has. I think Cotto wins a fairly convincing decision. I find it funny that you got this hard on for Margarito at this time, after he beat Cintron for a second time. I mean it's not like he proved anything new.
Somebody pointed out in another thread the fact that Tony is the slower, leaker defensively, unpolished fighter and the unathletic one 9 times out of 10 when he steps in the ring but he gets it done!!!!!!!!!!
He is a bad ass and understands that Boxing is a hurt business plain and simple, he comes in the ring to kick your ass and thats it... He has a concrete chin and the determination of The Terminator for chrise sakes.. I always knew Tony was a monster even if I downplayed it, but Cintron landed concussive right hands on his Noggin and he kept moving forward smiling like a sick Fuck.... Cotto is a beast and a freak as well and has all the advantages over Tony except for
Experience
Chin
Punch output
Stamina
I just saw how when he couldnt break Mosely down he was on his back foot from 9-12th round, I doubt he breaks Margarito down and the fact that Tony keeps coming and coming and coming, the second Cotto lets his foot off the gas Tony will slaughter him, Tony has a massive uppercut that is Cotto's achilles heal couple that with the experience and grit of Margarito does indeed = Fucked for Cotto
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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Tony is going to get out boxed and dropped in the early rounds.
This fight should go 12 with Cotto getting a UD
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DROPPED?! Did you even watch Saturdays fight? Marg gets hard ons for a war! and ya Cotto can outbox him but he's not fast or slick enough to escape the wrath that is TOny Margarito.
Yes, I said DROPPED. How many Tony fights have you studied? 2?
Watch his whole career and watch him get dropped several times.
Cotto has more than enough tools to win.
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And yes I saw the second fight. I said this fight would be no different from the first fight.
Cotto is no Cintron.
Cotto is no Gatti
Margarito had no amatuer career or a learning curve, he had to perfect his craft and toughness on the job
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
Your right about the "Insanity" part cause if you think Cottos fucked then you got it all wrong.
No doubt Margaritos tough and comes to fight for 12 full rounds. But Cottos gonna beat him.
Also something tells me you WISH, Margarito beats Cotto so that all the tallks about Cotto beating PBF and Cotto being better and PBFs scared of Cotto can be something you (and other PBF fans) use.
I wanna believe your posts but I'm getting the impression they come with bad intensions... :-\
I don't get tired of repeating this but because you loose to one fighter doesn't mean you'll loose to another. Without comparing styles and records. Many fighters have lost in the middle of great reigns and or in their prime but have bounced back and moved on to beat other fighters.
Emile lost Carter when Carter had like 20 fights but still Emile went on to beat Archer, Rodriguez, Tiger, Benvenuti and Briscoe to name a few.
Arguello lost to Vilomar and bounced back from the loss. Same thing with Duran.
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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And for you to say that Tony hits harder than Zab or Mosley?
:o
I think all three hit pretty hard but to put Tony above these two, I would have to disagree.
Way off bro. Zab doesn't have the power of a natural WW. In fact his power is over rated to an extent.Apart from the Rivera and Corey stoppages,which other good stopapges does he have? Marg hits far harder than Zab,a natural WW,heavier handed and throws far more.
Mosley doesn't have that great power anymore. Back in the days,in his prime at 147,I'd say he hits harder than Tony. Now,I'm not so sure.
And no offence but if Cotto tries to rop a dope Tony,he's leaving the arena in a stratcher. Most of Tony's stoppages come on the ropes.He's devestating there. And as for Cotto dropping Tony,that's a possibility,but Tony has been down from bodyshots when he was a teenager/growing man fighting big grown men.The last time he was dropped was in 99 v Danny Perez.Cotto could hurt him early but I GUARANTEE that Tony will hurt Cotto at some point.
All in all,it'll be a great fight! The fans' are the winners. This is the REAL SHOWDOWN THIS YEAR. GO STICK YOUR MAYWEATHER V OSCAR AND HATTON 2 UP YOUR ASS Floyd.
And JT,you're insane! Really insane. And tho those that think Cotto is going to outbox Marg easily,let's not get over excited. Marg cuts off the ring.Ask Santos.It takes 1,000 plus punches to beat him,that was just about,ask PW.He can take your best power shots,ask Cintron.So to say that Cotto will merely easily outbox Cotto is too simplistic and does not take into account A WHOLE LOAD of other factors.
Best post today mate said every thing i wanted to say and more :clap:
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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CutMeMick
Your right about the "Insanity" part cause if you think Cottos fucked then you got it all wrong.
I think Tony has the toughness and grit to take Cotto's best, again Tony dosent do anything spectacular but Win!!!! He has better than average power, unreal stamina, confidence, experience and determination
Margarito has a sick uppercut and thats Cotto's weakness, Margarito will be a whirlwind in Cotto's face throwing Combo's upstairs, downstairs etc. Cotto will back away and get on his bike just to get run over by Margarito.. I just think its a stylistic nightmare for Cotto..
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Also something tells me you WISH, Margarito beats Cotto so that all the tallks about Cotto beating PBF and Cotto being better and PBFs scared of Cotto can be something you (and other PBF fans) use.
I wanna believe your posts but I'm getting the impression they come with bad intensions... :-\
I 'm not gonna say I am insulted by your insinuation but I'm suprised seeing that I consider you a good Saddo friend and I figured you know me a little better than that.. I have always said what I mean and mean what I say with eliminating the guess work.
I have always been gracious in defeat of a fighter I was pulling for and quick to congratulate as well as Manning up and being accountable when I was wrong, I like to to think my integrity speaks for itself unchallenged or questioned as well as my loyalty to my fighters that lost, Lacy for example
Also the truth is I am tired of being a Floyd apologist of late, I am one of if not the biggest Floyd fan here and I believe that he is PFP#1 Boxer in the world and he is lightyears ahead of everyone else.. BUT he is not defending his Welterweight crown and stake in the division, meanwhile I sat on my couch Saturday night and watched 2 guys put on a show of desire and ferocity that injected some energy into me.. As people were stating before the Welterweight division is getting along just fine without Floyd Mayweather jr I am still a huge fan of his and loyal to a fault and will watch and support and sing his praises but if Floyd wants to fight the Oscars and Hattons of the world again than he should vacate his Welterweight titles and concentrate on his PFP ranking instead, its not fair to the rest of the Welters
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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You're right in a sense, Cotto could outbox Tony, but I think he would get drawn into a war simply because he is a fighter, and I'm sure he has lots of pride, but by the time he realizes he should have boxed it may be too late. Cotto is strong but Tony's bigger and stronger, Cotto does not have the speed or slickness needed to get away from this machine. If the same Marg that showed up this past Saturday shows up on the night these two meet...Cotto is getting KO'd! And I hope no Cotto fan believes that Cotto could KO Tony, would never happen Marg has a chin like brick wall and if he tries attacking the body he's gonna get KO'd even quicker by an uppercut.
Tony is going to get out boxed and dropped in the early rounds.
This fight should go 12 with Cotto getting a UD
;D
DROPPED?! Did you even watch Saturdays fight? Marg gets hard ons for a war! and ya Cotto can outbox him but he's not fast or slick enough to escape the wrath that is TOny Margarito.
People said the same about Paul Williams.
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only way cotto wins is by outboxing margarito, he don't wanna trade with that guy.
Re: More Filth, Insanity and Blasphemy Coming out of JT'S Mouth
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Tony is going to get out boxed and dropped in the early rounds.
This fight should go 12 with Cotto getting a UD
;D
DROPPED?! Did you even watch Saturdays fight? Marg gets hard ons for a war! and ya Cotto can outbox him but he's not fast or slick enough to escape the wrath that is TOny Margarito.
People said the same about Paul Williams.
Lets not get it twisted though, PW had the night of his life. Quintana proved that.
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I don't know why i still seeing some Fans that UNDERESTIMATE the Cottos power and comparing the power with Margarito , i can say that Margarito is getting better , but cmon , i know that Margaro Team doesn't going prepare Margaro to fight Cotto inside they know that Cotto is Danger in that style ,he is more fast have more technically combinations have a Danger hook that comes first than a uppercut in which Margaro is good , but if they are intelligent , they should going prepare for outbox , they have to take use the reach in advantage for Margaro .................:cool:
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Macho
I don't know why i still seeing some Fans that UNDERESTIMATE the Cottos power and comparing the power with Margarito , i can say that Margarito is getting better , but cmon , i know that Margaro Team doesn't going prepare Margaro to fight Cotto inside they know that Cotto is Danger in that style ,he is more fast have more technically combinations have a Danger hook that comes first than a uppercut in which Margaro is good , but if they are intelligent , they should going prepare for outbox , they have to take use the reach in advantage for Margaro .................:cool:
I agree with you on the fact that to have the absolute greatest chance at a victory is for Marg. to use his distance...but that guy loves to bang and he is gonna go in for it, that being said unless Marg. has a weakness to the body that we have not seen, Cotto isnt gonna knock him out, Marg. has way to much tolerance for pain and I dont see him getting dropped.
