Training in the UK. Your Thoughts.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Could be worse... could be football coaches! ;)

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Originally Posted by Scrap

I think its egos, that causes the problem, in this game anything new is Bollocks, the reason being They dont understand it. So they dont have to explain it, funny talking to a well known Promoter who I hadnt seen for some years. He asked if I was still doing all those crazy ideas I use to do, I said yes, He said its funny How everybody else is doing them now and yet in the70s and 80s they thought it was Bollocks ;D.

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Now i realize i'm treading on dangerous ground here but do you think perhaps it is because boxing at the coaching and high level is a male dominated sport? Full of alpha male types?

I know there are a few good guys around who would not contribute to the problem but the fact they know their stuff intimidates other alpha males who want to be top dog?

Makes me think of boxing SA and how any HUGE shout down arguments people have over stupid, stupid stuff and it really is like a power struggle to be alpha male. People don't and can't really negotiate on a level playing field. Admiting someone who want or believes or does something different could be right is reliquishing too much power.

Similarly in an all female environment you'll often get women with queen bee syndrome who want to prevent others from improving and a lot of bitchyness and gossip. I definately don't think all female environments are any better but they are different.

Perhaps the ideal situation is more mixed but you also need people with real experience - preferably more bouts than the people they coach in my opinion and right now that's very difficult for most women to accrue due to a lack of matches etc etc.

The worst coach i ever had (for about 2 weeks) was a female who just couldn't help making snide bitchy remarks every two seconds. I can't really say I'd want to have a female coach but i think taking on a say nutrition tip from a non threating female might be more likely to happen than for one alpha male to listen to another sometimes? :confused:

Sharla you make some very goods points there.

Think we have touched on this before Biomechanics a joints fundamentles and there movement to respond to the thought of do. your take on improving mobility in response to signals from outside influences.

My hamstrings are testament to training "mal-practice."

I did what I was told as a youngster.
I followed instructions and expected it would make me a better athlete.

Now I'm having to invest time undoing damage donwe from endless running, skipping on poor surfaces and being taught a "knees straight" style.

Still, hope its not too late.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

My hamstrings are testament to training "mal-practice."

I did what I was told as a youngster.
I followed instructions and expected it would make me a better athlete.

Now I'm having to invest time undoing damage donwe from endless running, skipping on poor surfaces and being taught a "knees straight" style.

Still, hope its not too late.

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I've only been in one gym which had an area specifically for skipping. It was like a large raised wood sprung box....that was in Vegas. I've not seen anything in the UK.
The other place was a KB gym but all the floor was padded.


I think we have to be a little insistant and say you've got bad knees (even if you haven't), I'll skip but only in the ring.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

My hamstrings are testament to training "mal-practice."

I did what I was told as a youngster.
I followed instructions and expected it would make me a better athlete.

Now I'm having to invest time undoing damage donwe from endless running, skipping on poor surfaces and being taught a "knees straight" style.

Still, hope its not too late.

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I've only been in one gym which had an area specifically for skipping. It was like a large raised wood sprung box....that was in Vegas. I've not seen anything in the UK.
The other place was a KB gym but all the floor was padded.


I think we have to be a little insistant and say you've got bad knees (even if you haven't), I'll skip but only in the ring.

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Most of the newer gyms here have entirely wooden floors, which is ok.

I've seen two gyms, (Alpha 1 and Moyross B.C.) with raised skipping areas, although they're still pretty solid.

I'm curious as to where all the squatting etc you often see fits into this?

I know the impact is not there so much but some gyms - especially kickboxing gyms will get you to do so much squatting to failure in classes regardless of your ability - is it really safe?

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Originally Posted by Sharla

I'm curious as to where all the squatting etc you often see fits into this?

I know the impact is not there so much but some gyms - especially kickboxing gyms will get you to do so much squatting to failure in classes regardless of your ability - is it really safe?

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Squatting must be done correctly, if you have tight hamstrings then your motion will be restricted and the pressure goes on your knees.

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Originally Posted by Bomp

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Originally Posted by Sharla

I'm curious as to where all the squatting etc you often see fits into this?

I know the impact is not there so much but some gyms - especially kickboxing gyms will get you to do so much squatting to failure in classes regardless of your ability - is it really safe?

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Squatting must be done correctly, if you have tight hamstrings then your motion will be restricted and the pressure goes on your knees.

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Ahh thanks bomp. That explains a lot actually! I think i am a bit dislexic with these things sometimes so the explanations are always much appreciated. :)

potentially bad exercise on the knees which I refused to do were, I think you call the monkey walks. Squat so your butt in nearly touching the floor then walk about. The reason was that Mike Tyson did them....he is also a convicted rapist, I don't suppose that should be a training method either. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

potentially bad exercise on the knees which I refused to do were, I think you call the monkey walks. Squat so your butt in nearly touching the floor then walk about. The reason was that Mike Tyson did them....he is also a convicted rapist, I don't suppose that should be a training method either. :cool:

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LoL


Yeah I refuse to do them too, painful even for the exceptionally limber.

I think the potential to knacker your knee ligaments outweighs the tough guy way of thinking when it comes to these....

I didn't stay at that gym for long...that coupled with the fact I would get ignored didn't help. Just because women will be more difficult to match doesn't mean you can push up to the back of the room. We pay to learn just like everyone else. :mad: Rant over ;D

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

I think the potential to knacker your knee ligaments outweighs the tough guy way of thinking when it comes to these....

I didn't stay at that gym for long...that coupled with the fact I would get ignored didn't help. Just because women will be more difficult to match doesn't mean you can push up to the back of the room. We pay to learn just like everyone else. :mad: Rant over ;D

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In my experience, women in an applied gym have far better focus and a better attitude toward learning boxing than men.

I remembver meeting Sharla, we shadowboxed at the same time and I felt so lazy! I threw nothing more than fours whilst she was throwing 5 and six punch combos LoL.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

I think the potential to knacker your knee ligaments outweighs the tough guy way of thinking when it comes to these....

I didn't stay at that gym for long...that coupled with the fact I would get ignored didn't help. Just because women will be more difficult to match doesn't mean you can push up to the back of the room. We pay to learn just like everyone else. :mad: Rant over ;D

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In my experience, women in an applied gym have far better focus and a better attitude toward learning boxing than men.

I remembver meeting Sharla, we shadowboxed at the same time and I felt so lazy! I threw nothing more than fours whilst she was throwing 5 and six punch combos LoL.

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5 and 6 punch combos. Meh...Sharla did that to me, I'd just go in for the clinch whenever possible. :p

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

potentially bad exercise on the knees which I refused to do were, I think you call the monkey walks. Squat so your butt in nearly touching the floor then walk about. The reason was that Mike Tyson did them....he is also a convicted rapist, I don't suppose that should be a training method either. :cool:

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What works for some may not for others, people's bodies vary in things such as shin/femur length ratios, which could decide how plausible such exercises are for an individual. The rule I use is if the joint hurts then don't do it.