Training in the UK. Your Thoughts.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

This thread has sprung up from what I've been reading in the training forum.

I'd like the opinion from any one training in the UK or a trainer (Scrap).

What do you think of the standard of training in the UK? Too outdated? Too stuck in their ways? Why does Scrap not like using pads? Why is it I've only ever done graduated sparring at 1 am.club and 1 martial arts club? Everyone else seems to just let their guys tough it out. I've read about it in several US boxing books and believe it's a very good way of honing both defensive and offensive skills.

Why do am.clubs send their kids out running at the start of a training session when it has been shown that it is better to train skills first before you are tired. Better still run on a none boxing day.

What do you like/dislike? What would you change?

[Scrap]

Everything youve mentioned to, makes so much sense. Cant really say to much, but the coaching I watch at times makes me shudder. But its not just in Britain its World wide. Im going down a different route now, Ive given up on it . Its surprising how some Fighters make it it puzzlels me.Involved a lot with new concepts at the moment, talk a lot with top people in Sports Science, they cant believe Im involved with Boxing. They tell me they find it funny watching Boxing coaches work. Im always asked about certain people in the Game by them. I always reply what do you think, I always get the reply Useless

[AdamGB]

Could be worse... could be football coaches!

[leggy]

Everything youve mentioned to, makes so much sense. Cant really say to much, but the coaching I watch at times makes me shudder. But its not just in Britain its World wide. Im going down a different route now, Ive given up on it . Its surprising how some Fighters make it it puzzlels me.Involved a lot with new concepts at the moment, talk a lot with top people in Sports Science, they cant believe Im involved with Boxing. They tell me they find it funny watching Boxing coaches work. Im always asked about certain people in the Game by them. I always reply what do you think, I always get the reply Useless

i would love to work with you scrap would be good experience, here we go then to top british boxers joe calzaghe and ricky hatton both done amazingly well but trained funny

[AdamGB]

Enzo isn't awful... not with Calzaghe anyway... it's worked for him. Billy Graham on the other hand...

[Sharla]

Yeah i think it's definately worldwide. Not sure about Mexico or Cuba but Australia is crap and Japan varies but judging by the standard and how far they push fighters to loose weight also bad.

I had a coach from Russia who still competes who was against us drinking water at all during training. In the Australian heat that's just crazy!

Boxing doesn't seem to take up knowledge the way other sports do and i don't understand why.

[Scrap]

Heres one,awell known American Coach was preparing a Fighter, He was putting Vaseline on the Fighters face in the Dressing room. The Kid started screaming saying He was Blind, the coach shit Himself and didnt know what to do. This was 15 minutes before a Title Fight, I asked what was in the mix with the Vasaline He said Newskin. I was gobsmacked I said do you want me to Help, do anything He said, Im thinking this guys going to have a Heartattack the remedy. I got a bottle of Adrenalin 1/1000 and poured it into the eyes,whys that He asked. Its the best eyewash there is was my reply He said youre one cool motherfucker. The kid went out and won the Title no thanks to Him

[Chris Nagel]

I had a coach from Russia who still competes who was against us drinking water at all during training. In the Australian heat that's just crazy!

That's what Kostya believed. I can't quite remember the science behind it, it relates the liver functions and, it's definitely not the smartest way to go.

[Scrap]

Its crazy, it stops everything from working and damages the reproduction organs, we are 60% water, its needed everywhere.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

What concerns me as our knowledge grows why isn't it being passed on? Is it tradition? Do people think it ain't broke (disagree) then don't mess?

Problem is if you go to your local gym and they start off with a run and you turn round and say it's pitting you against your trainer from the beginning. Has anyone tried this?

I've got a reasonable excuse I get bad achilles tendonitis Actually it affects me running, skipping and erm my boxing stance but apart from that I'm fine

Do trainers encourage their fighters to watch fights and look for faults - there's always a reason you got hit - do they encourage fighters to look a certain fighters and see what they're good at, why they are successful? Y'all know I'm a Barrera fan and I taught myself to hook off the jab by studying him. I broke it down slow, worked it in the air, worked it on the bag then made an effort to look for that move in sparring. Surely someone should have taught me that?

I'll chuck in something I found useful back in the day. This makes me think old school training and I've seen the 'wood-chop' being used as a functiontal move in some exercise dvd's.

It came from doing kali but the instructor also recommended it for body mechanics. Get yourself a long handled pickaxe, get in stance, hold it in your rear hand and do a one handed wood chop (or two) make sure you are pivoting with it. Chances are because of the weighted tip you will pivot/twist with it. Draw it back repeat etc.

No trees were harmed during this.

Speed drill. The sooner your hand comes back the sooner it can fire again. Eg. 10 regular fast jabs
now extend your arm from the jab. Retract the jab as fast as you can. Place it out / whip it back. x10

shake it out.

Now try to make both the punch and retraction as fast as each other.

If only I was a coach

[Scrap]

I think its egos, that causes the problem, in this game anything new is Bollocks, the reason being They dont understand it. So they dont have to explain it, funny talking to a well known Promoter who I hadnt seen for some years. He asked if I was still doing all those crazy ideas I use to do, I said yes, He said its funny How everybody else is doing them now and yet in the70s and 80s they thought it was Bollocks .

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Does it feel good to be right?

[Scrap]

To be Honest Missy it makes you feel Lonely

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Shame. Do you have boxers seeking you out because of your 'progressive' views.

[Scrap]

From all over the place, or the phone all the time.