Haye gets screwed in the contract but still takes the fight.VIDEO

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Originally Posted by Master

Haye is either very confident or very stupid. Either way it will be exciting while it lasts. Haye took the short end of the contract when he fought Mormeck, in Paris, King production and judges. He pulled it off but this is way way bigger task than that.

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If Haye wins it will be 2 world title won on the road!:o

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

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Originally Posted by Killa From Manila

Haye need this fight 10x more than Wlad.

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Say what you want about who's earned it etc but the fact is that people outside of hardcore boxing fans actually want to see this fight... whereas they couldn't give a fuck if Wlad thought somebody else.

Don't act like Haye has brought nothing to the table in terms of PPV sales/marketability etc.

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What exactly is Haye bringing to the table? What are his past PPV numbers like?

Well lets look at the contract he has signed that signs his next 2 fights away to the Klitschkos.

People tried to say it was Haye that was stalling and difficult in negotiations - when it would seem that it was the Klitschkos and there contract that slowed the whole thing down.
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Haye contracted for potential Klitschko trilogy

If David Haye is successful in his heavyweight title challenge to Wladimir Klitschko the Londoner is likely to engage in a trilogy of fights involving both Wladimir AND his brother, Vitali.

The Klitschko brothers' German manager Bernd Boente revealed details of the contract yesterday to ESPN.com's boxing writer, Dan Rafael.

Points of interest include:

- Haye's only income for the fight (said to be ‘millions') will come from Setanta Sports' broadcast rights fee

- Klitschko will receive an agreed portion of the Setanta cash plus all the other revenue the fight generates including fees from HBO (carrying the contest live in the US), RTL (German broadcaster), any other foreign broadcasting fees, all the live gate receipts and income from sponsorship

- If Haye wins, Klitschko's promotional company, K2, will promote his next two fights

- Again, should Haye win, his next two fights will be against one of the Klitschko brothers – either a rematch with Wladimir or a match with Vitali – and should he win that one, he'll face the other brother

It looks like Haye has pulled out all the stops and very much taken the short end, including options, in order to make sure the June 20th fight happens.

http://www.britishboxing.net/news_4480-Haye-contracted-for-potential-Klitschko-trilogy.html

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Getting a heavyweight title shot, without ever beating a legitimate heavyweight contender, and getting paid millions of dollars: Yea he really got screwed. :rolleyes:

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Yeah poor David Haye.......

The guy needs to just shut his mouth already and FIGHT........

Haye comes off like a whining cry baby.......

I hope Wlad really softens him up for 5-6 rounds with hard jabs and the occasional straight right and left hook. Than in round 7-8 just starts dropping huge BOMBS and KO's his ass. I would love to see Haye take a real good beating in this fight...

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Is David Haye doing Wladimir some kind of favor by fighting him??? NO Wladimir is THE MAN of the division Haye should be happy with the crumbs he got tossed, Wladimir easily could have chosen to fight Arreola (a more meaningful fight as Cris is a heavyweight with experience) who would have gotten out of fighting McCline in a heartbeat if he could sign on the dotted line.

David Haye and his fans are crazy....they will hype up Haye even more so than they have been doing lately and once Wladimir KO's him with relative ease they will say "Haye wasn't ready", "Haye is only a cruiserweight", "Wladimir cheated" etc etc etc.

It really is ridiculous the guy has had 2 heavyweight fights vs total bums and he thinks he's enough of a crowd pleaser that HE can pick and choose what type of cut he gets in a title fight?!?!?! Haye is a fucking moron on a number of levels and his fans are right there with him....sure he talks a big game but he had better prepare for doing something other than swinging for the fences because that is what Wlad is going to prepare for the first couple of rounds and by round 4 Haye will be spent and then it will come down to Haye's heart and the mercy of Wladimir

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100% agree. This is really a meaningless fight for Wlad. It will do nothing for his career. It means something now cuz of the Haye groupies. But in 2 years it'll be "Haye was smaller" "Wlad beat up a Cruiswerweight" He will get no credit for the win

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To be fair there isn't many wins that you would give him a great deal of credit for.....

Ray Austin
Tony Thopmson
Hasim Rahman
Calvin Brock
Chris Byrd
Even Ibragimov purely because of the manner in which he won.
Samuel Peter
Even Lamon Brewster only looks half decent because he was avenging a defeat.

He's fought complete plodders and has had every physical advantage imaginable....yet in a number of fights he's made it hard fucking work.

The heavyweight division is beyond embarrassing - made up with fighters who are a good 2 stone over-weight, lacking the fitness to punch and move. The Klitschko's should be dominating.

This fight is a much harder fight for Wlad. For one he won't have 3 minutes thinking time while his opponent is stood directly infront of him. Haye will make him move, make him fight and if Samuel Peter's cuffing shots can put him down, anything landed by Haye could mean lights out. By the same token anything landed by Wlad could mean lights out for Haye. That's why it's such an intriguing fight.

How anyone thinks this is meaningless is beyond me.

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Thank you. That is exactly what I'm talking about. For whatever reasons people love to bad mouth Wlad. If people like you ain't giving him credit on his wins over Peter, Thompson, Byrd and Brock what the fukk makes you think there going to give him credit for his win over Haye? A much smaller fighter with chin and stamina issues. They won't.

Haye doesn't seem upset about the contract and he's certainly not crying about it.;D

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

100% agree. This is really a meaningless fight for Wlad. It will do nothing for his career. It means something now cuz of the Haye groupies. But in 2 years it'll be "Haye was smaller" "Wlad beat up a Cruiswerweight" He will get no credit for the win

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To be fair there isn't many wins that you would give him a great deal of credit for.....

Ray Austin
Tony Thopmson
Hasim Rahman
Calvin Brock
Chris Byrd
Even Ibragimov purely because of the manner in which he won.
Samuel Peter
Even Lamon Brewster only looks half decent because he was avenging a defeat.

He's fought complete plodders and has had every physical advantage imaginable....yet in a number of fights he's made it hard fucking work.

The heavyweight division is beyond embarrassing - made up with fighters who are a good 2 stone over-weight, lacking the fitness to punch and move. The Klitschko's should be dominating.

This fight is a much harder fight for Wlad. For one he won't have 3 minutes thinking time while his opponent is stood directly infront of him. Haye will make him move, make him fight and if Samuel Peter's cuffing shots can put him down, anything landed by Haye could mean lights out. By the same token anything landed by Wlad could mean lights out for Haye. That's why it's such an intriguing fight.

How anyone thinks this is meaningless is beyond me.

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Thank you. That is exactly what I'm talking about. For whatever reasons people love to bad mouth Wlad. If people like you ain't giving him credit on his wins over Peter, Thompson, Byrd and Brock what the fukk makes you think there going to give him credit for his win over Haye? A much smaller fighter with chin and stamina issues. They won't.

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Chris Byrd- was the #1 ranked heavyweight in the world at the time, and he had been #1 for at least a year. And that was not only by The Ring, but by every other legitimate boxing journalist.

Calvin Brock and Samuel Peter were both undefeated top 10 contenders.

Sultan Ibragimov- was a title unification

Tony Thopmson and Ray Austin were knockouts of alphabet mandatories

Lamon Brewster- avenging a loss

Hasim Rahman- well I will give you that one. Rahman was spent.

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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob

Well lets look at the contract he has signed that signs his next 2 fights away to the Klitschkos.

People tried to say it was Haye that was stalling and difficult in negotiations - when it would seem that it was the Klitschkos and there contract that slowed the whole thing down.
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Haye contracted for potential Klitschko trilogy

If David Haye is successful in his heavyweight title challenge to Wladimir Klitschko the Londoner is likely to engage in a trilogy of fights involving both Wladimir AND his brother, Vitali.

The Klitschko brothers' German manager Bernd Boente revealed details of the contract yesterday to ESPN.com's boxing writer, Dan Rafael.

Points of interest include:

- Haye's only income for the fight (said to be ‘millions') will come from Setanta Sports' broadcast rights fee

- Klitschko will receive an agreed portion of the Setanta cash plus all the other revenue the fight generates including fees from HBO (carrying the contest live in the US), RTL (German broadcaster), any other foreign broadcasting fees, all the live gate receipts and income from sponsorship

- If Haye wins, Klitschko's promotional company, K2, will promote his next two fights

- Again, should Haye win, his next two fights will be against one of the Klitschko brothers – either a rematch with Wladimir or a match with Vitali – and should he win that one, he'll face the other brother

It looks like Haye has pulled out all the stops and very much taken the short end, including options, in order to make sure the June 20th fight happens.

http://www.britishboxing.net/news_4480-Haye-contracted-for-potential-Klitschko-trilogy.html

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He's getting millions of dollars and an undeserving shot at the Heavyweight title. The most coveted title in sports. Yeah Haye really got screwed. :beat:

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by ono

To be fair there isn't many wins that you would give him a great deal of credit for.....

Ray Austin
Tony Thopmson
Hasim Rahman
Calvin Brock
Chris Byrd
Even Ibragimov purely because of the manner in which he won.
Samuel Peter
Even Lamon Brewster only looks half decent because he was avenging a defeat.

He's fought complete plodders and has had every physical advantage imaginable....yet in a number of fights he's made it hard fucking work.

The heavyweight division is beyond embarrassing - made up with fighters who are a good 2 stone over-weight, lacking the fitness to punch and move. The Klitschko's should be dominating.

This fight is a much harder fight for Wlad. For one he won't have 3 minutes thinking time while his opponent is stood directly infront of him. Haye will make him move, make him fight and if Samuel Peter's cuffing shots can put him down, anything landed by Haye could mean lights out. By the same token anything landed by Wlad could mean lights out for Haye. That's why it's such an intriguing fight.

How anyone thinks this is meaningless is beyond me.

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Thank you. That is exactly what I'm talking about. For whatever reasons people love to bad mouth Wlad. If people like you ain't giving him credit on his wins over Peter, Thompson, Byrd and Brock what the fukk makes you think there going to give him credit for his win over Haye? A much smaller fighter with chin and stamina issues. They won't.

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Chris Byrd- was the #1 ranked heavyweight in the world at the time, and he had been #1 for at least a year. And that was not only by The Ring, but by every other legitimate boxing journalist.

Calvin Brock and Samuel Peter were both undefeated top 10 contenders.

Sultan Ibragimov- was a title unification

Tony Thopmson and Ray Austin were knockouts of alphabet mandatories

Lamon Brewster- avenging a loss

Hasim Rahman- well I will give you that one. Rahman was spent.

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I got no problem with Wlad opposition.

Neve Ever let me see anyone critisize Bernard Hopkin for short changing Tomas Adamek when shysters like the Kilitshko's get away with contracts like this

Klitschko gets the lions share of the $$$$$$$
Kilitschko gets to choose the venue
Klitschko has the rematch clause just in case Haye wins
Klitschko also has included that should Haye win the rematch he must fight Vitaly next
These stipulations are ludicrous

Damn I wish Ike Ibeabuchi had never called that Vegas hooker. He'd have toppled both Klitshko's with ease

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

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Originally Posted by Killa From Manila

Haye need this fight 10x more than Wlad.

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Say what you want about who's earned it etc but the fact is that people outside of hardcore boxing fans actually want to see this fight... whereas they couldn't give a fuck if Wlad thought somebody else.

Don't act like Haye has brought nothing to the table in terms of PPV sales/marketability etc.

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What exactly is Haye bringing to the table? What are his past PPV numbers like?

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Right now I can't think of any Heavyweights other than Vitali who your COMMON EVERYDAY SPORTS FAN would be interested in seeing more than Haye.

Like I've already said - I'm not talking about who has earned their shot the most (or at all, lets save that debate) or who the boxing Hardcore want to see Wlad fight. I am talking purely from a business point of view.

I know you have a problem with British fighters but I want you as unbiasedly as possible to tell me which other marquee names are out there at Heavyweight that will generate as much Global interest amongst casual fight fans and why.

I wouldn't say he got screwed because he got a HW title shot relatively easy. BUT it does show that there is some concern from the Klits about Haye as they want so many rematches.

If it was just luck that Haye beat Wlad then surely he would only need one. To me when Haye KO's Wlad it will be a similar scene to Rocky IV when Rocky (Vitali) looks up at Drago (Haye) whilst his friend (brother Wlad) is lying motionless on the floor. 6:30 in the clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CdjTc_CNAQ&NR=1

I know i won't be invited to christmas this year at a lot of places but i'm saying haye wins by Ko, it's gonna be a very surprising fight i think and i really don't even like the guy. I think there's something to all the talk that haye if nothing else is just so much different from the bums the klitchko's have been forced to ko lately. I'm not saying haye is the next great thing or even better than the big W i just thing he's gonna catch him by surprise and not be able to recover. haye will probably loose shortly after.....

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Originally Posted by C.J.Rock

Neve Ever let me see anyone critisize Bernard Hopkin for short changing Tomas Adamek when shysters like the Kilitshko's get away with contracts like this

Klitschko gets the lions share of the $$$$$$$
Kilitschko gets to choose the venue
Klitschko has the rematch clause just in case Haye wins
Klitschko also has included that should Haye win the rematch he must fight Vitaly next
These stipulations are ludicrous

Damn I wish Ike Ibeabuchi had never called that Vegas hooker. He'd have toppled both Klitshko's with ease

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He was on Setanta via phone call saying to Bunce "You think this is bad you should see what they wanted me to do before this"

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Is David Haye doing Wladimir some kind of favor by fighting him??? NO Wladimir is THE MAN of the division Haye should be happy with the crumbs he got tossed, Wladimir easily could have chosen to fight Arreola (a more meaningful fight as Cris is a heavyweight with experience) who would have gotten out of fighting McCline in a heartbeat if he could sign on the dotted line.

David Haye and his fans are crazy....they will hype up Haye even more so than they have been doing lately and once Wladimir KO's him with relative ease they will say "Haye wasn't ready", "Haye is only a cruiserweight", "Wladimir cheated" etc etc etc.

It really is ridiculous the guy has had 2 heavyweight fights vs total bums and he thinks he's enough of a crowd pleaser that HE can pick and choose what type of cut he gets in a title fight?!?!?! Haye is a fucking moron on a number of levels and his fans are right there with him....sure he talks a big game but he had better prepare for doing something other than swinging for the fences because that is what Wlad is going to prepare for the first couple of rounds and by round 4 Haye will be spent and then it will come down to Haye's heart and the mercy of Wladimir

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100% agree. This is really a meaningless fight for Wlad. It will do nothing for his career. It means something now cuz of the Haye groupies. But in 2 years it'll be "Haye was smaller" "Wlad beat up a Cruiswerweight" He will get no credit for the win

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To be fair there isn't many wins that you would give him a great deal of credit for.....

Ray Austin
Tony Thopmson
Hasim Rahman
Calvin Brock
Chris Byrd
Even Ibragimov purely because of the manner in which he won.
Samuel Peter
Even Lamon Brewster only looks half decent because he was avenging a defeat.

He's fought complete plodders and has had every physical advantage imaginable....yet in a number of fights he's made it hard fucking work.

The heavyweight division is beyond embarrassing - made up with fighters who are a good 2 stone over-weight, lacking the fitness to punch and move. The Klitschko's should be dominating.

This fight is a much harder fight for Wlad. For one he won't have 3 minutes thinking time while his opponent is stood directly infront of him. Haye will make him move, make him fight and if Samuel Peter's cuffing shots can put him down, anything landed by Haye could mean lights out. By the same token anything landed by Wlad could mean lights out for Haye. That's why it's such an intriguing fight.

How anyone thinks this is meaningless is beyond me.

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most of Peter's shots on Wlad were behind the head, and pulling down shots if anything, he never really hurt Wlad