Haye gets screwed in the contract but still takes the fight.VIDEO

[Violent Demise]

Is David Haye doing Wladimir some kind of favor by fighting him NO Wladimir is THE MAN of the division Haye should be happy with the crumbs he got tossed, Wladimir easily could have chosen to fight Arreola (a more meaningful fight as Cris is a heavyweight with experience) who would have gotten out of fighting McCline in a heartbeat if he could sign on the dotted line.

David Haye and his fans are crazy....they will hype up Haye even more so than they have been doing lately and once Wladimir KO's him with relative ease they will say "Haye wasn't ready", "Haye is only a cruiserweight", "Wladimir cheated" etc etc etc.

It really is ridiculous the guy has had 2 heavyweight fights vs total bums and he thinks he's enough of a crowd pleaser that HE can pick and choose what type of cut he gets in a title fight?!?!?! Haye is a fucking moron on a number of levels and his fans are right there with him....sure he talks a big game but he had better prepare for doing something other than swinging for the fences because that is what Wlad is going to prepare for the first couple of rounds and by round 4 Haye will be spent and then it will come down to Haye's heart and the mercy of Wladimir

100% agree. This is really a meaningless fight for Wlad. It will do nothing for his career. It means something now cuz of the Haye groupies. But in 2 years it'll be "Haye was smaller" "Wlad beat up a Cruiswerweight" He will get no credit for the win

To be fair there isn't many wins that you would give him a great deal of credit for.....

Ray Austin
Tony Thopmson
Hasim Rahman
Calvin Brock
Chris Byrd
Even Ibragimov purely because of the manner in which he won.
Samuel Peter
Even Lamon Brewster only looks half decent because he was avenging a defeat.

He's fought complete plodders and has had every physical advantage imaginable....yet in a number of fights he's made it hard fucking work.

The heavyweight division is beyond embarrassing - made up with fighters who are a good 2 stone over-weight, lacking the fitness to punch and move. The Klitschko's should be dominating.

This fight is a much harder fight for Wlad. For one he won't have 3 minutes thinking time while his opponent is stood directly infront of him. Haye will make him move, make him fight and if Samuel Peter's cuffing shots can put him down, anything landed by Haye could mean lights out. By the same token anything landed by Wlad could mean lights out for Haye. That's why it's such an intriguing fight.

How anyone thinks this is meaningless is beyond me.

Thank you. That is exactly what I'm talking about. For whatever reasons people love to bad mouth Wlad. If people like you ain't giving him credit on his wins over Peter, Thompson, Byrd and Brock what the fukk makes you think there going to give him credit for his win over Haye? A much smaller fighter with chin and stamina issues. They won't.

[Lance Uppercut]

100% agree. This is really a meaningless fight for Wlad. It will do nothing for his career. It means something now cuz of the Haye groupies. But in 2 years it'll be "Haye was smaller" "Wlad beat up a Cruiswerweight" He will get no credit for the win

To be fair there isn't many wins that you would give him a great deal of credit for.....

Ray Austin
Tony Thopmson
Hasim Rahman
Calvin Brock
Chris Byrd
Even Ibragimov purely because of the manner in which he won.
Samuel Peter
Even Lamon Brewster only looks half decent because he was avenging a defeat.

He's fought complete plodders and has had every physical advantage imaginable....yet in a number of fights he's made it hard fucking work.

The heavyweight division is beyond embarrassing - made up with fighters who are a good 2 stone over-weight, lacking the fitness to punch and move. The Klitschko's should be dominating.

This fight is a much harder fight for Wlad. For one he won't have 3 minutes thinking time while his opponent is stood directly infront of him. Haye will make him move, make him fight and if Samuel Peter's cuffing shots can put him down, anything landed by Haye could mean lights out. By the same token anything landed by Wlad could mean lights out for Haye. That's why it's such an intriguing fight.

How anyone thinks this is meaningless is beyond me.

Thank you. That is exactly what I'm talking about. For whatever reasons people love to bad mouth Wlad. If people like you ain't giving him credit on his wins over Peter, Thompson, Byrd and Brock what the fukk makes you think there going to give him credit for his win over Haye? A much smaller fighter with chin and stamina issues. They won't.

Chris Byrd- was the #1 ranked heavyweight in the world at the time, and he had been #1 for at least a year. And that was not only by The Ring, but by every other legitimate boxing journalist.

Calvin Brock and Samuel Peter were both undefeated top 10 contenders.

Sultan Ibragimov- was a title unification

Tony Thopmson and Ray Austin were knockouts of alphabet mandatories

Lamon Brewster- avenging a loss

Hasim Rahman- well I will give you that one. Rahman was spent.

[Violent Demise]

To be fair there isn't many wins that you would give him a great deal of credit for.....

Ray Austin
Tony Thopmson
Hasim Rahman
Calvin Brock
Chris Byrd
Even Ibragimov purely because of the manner in which he won.
Samuel Peter
Even Lamon Brewster only looks half decent because he was avenging a defeat.

He's fought complete plodders and has had every physical advantage imaginable....yet in a number of fights he's made it hard fucking work.

The heavyweight division is beyond embarrassing - made up with fighters who are a good 2 stone over-weight, lacking the fitness to punch and move. The Klitschko's should be dominating.

This fight is a much harder fight for Wlad. For one he won't have 3 minutes thinking time while his opponent is stood directly infront of him. Haye will make him move, make him fight and if Samuel Peter's cuffing shots can put him down, anything landed by Haye could mean lights out. By the same token anything landed by Wlad could mean lights out for Haye. That's why it's such an intriguing fight.

How anyone thinks this is meaningless is beyond me.

Thank you. That is exactly what I'm talking about. For whatever reasons people love to bad mouth Wlad. If people like you ain't giving him credit on his wins over Peter, Thompson, Byrd and Brock what the fukk makes you think there going to give him credit for his win over Haye? A much smaller fighter with chin and stamina issues. They won't.

Chris Byrd- was the #1 ranked heavyweight in the world at the time, and he had been #1 for at least a year. And that was not only by The Ring, but by every other legitimate boxing journalist.

Calvin Brock and Samuel Peter were both undefeated top 10 contenders.

Sultan Ibragimov- was a title unification

Tony Thopmson and Ray Austin were knockouts of alphabet mandatories

Lamon Brewster- avenging a loss

Hasim Rahman- well I will give you that one. Rahman was spent.

I got no problem with Wlad opposition.

[ono]

To be fair there isn't many wins that you would give him a great deal of credit for.....

Ray Austin
Tony Thopmson
Hasim Rahman
Calvin Brock
Chris Byrd
Even Ibragimov purely because of the manner in which he won.
Samuel Peter
Even Lamon Brewster only looks half decent because he was avenging a defeat.

He's fought complete plodders and has had every physical advantage imaginable....yet in a number of fights he's made it hard fucking work.

The heavyweight division is beyond embarrassing - made up with fighters who are a good 2 stone over-weight, lacking the fitness to punch and move. The Klitschko's should be dominating.

This fight is a much harder fight for Wlad. For one he won't have 3 minutes thinking time while his opponent is stood directly infront of him. Haye will make him move, make him fight and if Samuel Peter's cuffing shots can put him down, anything landed by Haye could mean lights out. By the same token anything landed by Wlad could mean lights out for Haye. That's why it's such an intriguing fight.

How anyone thinks this is meaningless is beyond me.

Thank you. That is exactly what I'm talking about. For whatever reasons people love to bad mouth Wlad. If people like you ain't giving him credit on his wins over Peter, Thompson, Byrd and Brock what the fukk makes you think there going to give him credit for his win over Haye? A much smaller fighter with chin and stamina issues. They won't.

Chris Byrd- was the #1 ranked heavyweight in the world at the time, and he had been #1 for at least a year. And that was not only by The Ring, but by every other legitimate boxing journalist.

Calvin Brock and Samuel Peter were both undefeated top 10 contenders.

Sultan Ibragimov- was a title unification

Tony Thopmson and Ray Austin were knockouts of alphabet mandatories

Lamon Brewster- avenging a loss

Hasim Rahman- well I will give you that one. Rahman was spent.

Their status in a piss poor division is irrelavent. Who cares who is the best out of a very bad bunch? It's actually painful to watch - that's how bad it is.

I wasn't saying it's Wlad's fault, he has actually fought pretty much all that is out there. My point is, the division is an embarassment. The majority of the 'eilite' fighters are a good 1-2 stone overweight.

David Haye brings something completely different to the table. He's not an overweight plodder who is going to stand in front of him like a sitting duck.

If people criticize him then so be it, but to the majority, it's no lesser an achievement than beating any of the other heavyweight fighters.

Chances are Haye will get ko'd but this fight is being talked about like no other heavyweight fight...maybe since Lewis - Vitali.

[El Kabong]

You cannot fault Wladimir for not having competition....he's tried to fight the toughest guys out there and make the biggest fights and if Wladimir was to KO: Haye, Povetkin, and Arreola back to back to back he still wouldn't get credit.

ono, you put David Haye in vs the guys Wladimir has fought and I can bet you he leaves with more than 2 losses. People use revisionist history when they look back on Sam Peter, Chris Byrd, and Tony Thompson. Sam can still punch and he was "The most dangerous fighter in the heavyweight division" when Wladimir fought him epsecially considering that Wladimir was coming off of 2 KO losses. Chris Byrd was a slick boxer, he is one tough fighter...he schooled a prime David Tua. Tony Thompson was BIGGER than Wladimir and he is a southpaw, he doesn't have great power but being big, awkward, and having a decent workrate he'd be difficult for anyone to beat and he had NEVER been KO'd before Wlad hammered him down.
Sultan Ibragimov was also undefeated when Wlad fought him, and he's a southpaw with pretty quick hands. Wlad has beat more southpaws than most heavyweights ever step in the ring with.

Give the guy a fucking break....the more these Haye fans talk crap about Wlad, the happier I'm going to be when Haye's career is ended by Wladimir.

[ono]

You cannot fault Wladimir for not having competition....he's tried to fight the toughest guys out there and make the biggest fights and if Wladimir was to KO: Haye, Povetkin, and Arreola back to back to back he still wouldn't get credit.

ono, you put David Haye in vs the guys Wladimir has fought and I can bet you he leaves with more than 2 losses. People use revisionist history when they look back on Sam Peter, Chris Byrd, and Tony Thompson. Sam can still punch and he was "The most dangerous fighter in the heavyweight division" when Wladimir fought him epsecially considering that Wladimir was coming off of 2 KO losses. Chris Byrd was a slick boxer, he is one tough fighter...he schooled a prime David Tua. Tony Thompson was BIGGER than Wladimir and he is a southpaw, he doesn't have great power but being big, awkward, and having a decent workrate he'd be difficult for anyone to beat and he had NEVER been KO'd before Wlad hammered him down.
Sultan Ibragimov was also undefeated when Wlad fought him, and he's a southpaw with pretty quick hands. Wlad has beat more southpaws than most heavyweights ever step in the ring with.

Give the guy a fucking break....the more these Haye fans talk crap about Wlad, the happier I'm going to be when Haye's career is ended by Wladimir.

Why are you getting so defensive about him? I'm saying that generally speaking, the competition in the heavyweight division is really really poor. There aren't many who would argue that it is a strong division.

So poor that 'the most dangerous man in the division' got his ears boxed off by a fighter who had been inactive for 3 years.

My point wasn't to discredit Wlad because like you say he has pretty much beaten everybody there is to beat...barring his brother which fair enough is never going to happen. My point was, the heavyweight division is really poor so it will be hard for Wlad to get credit for beating the relatively poor opposition that is put in front of him.

He'll get the sort of credit Hatton gets for beating the likes of Urango, Maussa or Lazcano or the credit that Mayweather got for beating Baldomir or Mitchell or even Judah at that stage. The problem for Wlad is there isn't really any option for him to step up and fight better opposition, whereas there was always somebody elite for Hatton or Mayweather to fight or duck.

In fact the only complaint i'd have about Wlad is sometimes the manner in which he wins leaves a bit of a sour taste in the mouth. Being cuffed down 3 times by 'the most dangerous man in the heavyweight division' or by leaving his hand in the face of Ibragimov for the majority of the stink fest at the garden.

At least David Haye will present him with a new challenge. He's fighting somebody who is supremely confident and actually has skill, speed and power to back up the confidence. Wlad is going to have to think on his feet and be forced to react. Haye isn't going to be looking for a way out like Tony Thompson was. He may get knocked out but he presents a fair deal of danger to Wlad. Once Wlad shows that he isn't going to crumble under pressure and that he can fight at somebody elses pace and still come out with the W then i'm sure he'll gain a lot of peoples respect. My point was, he's not had the chance to do that as of late but against David Haye that chance is there. If he takes, then good luck to him and i'll be first to congratulate him.

[Youngblood]

This is one of the fights this year I am looking forward to. In my top 3. How many people have been able to say that about anything HW in recent times? Not too many, my guess.

[ElTerribleMorales]

This is one of the fights this year I am looking forward to. In my top 3. How many people have been able to say that about anything HW in recent times? Not too many, my guess.

not true....

















...i'm pretty sure that the HW division was pretty high up there on everyones TOP 3 Shittiest Divisions of the past 15 yrs

[El Kabong]

Fair enough ono, but you really can't fault ONLY Wladimir for the fight vs Sultan and the knockdowns vs Sam Peter were from illegal blows....and to be honest that was the fight where everyone started bitching about Wlad holding so much, I guess because #1 He finally learned how to do it and #2 They were all sold on Sam Peter and were frustrated by watching Wladimir fight a smart fight.

Even I have been disappointed in some of Wladimir's wins, like the ones vs Sultan and Rahman, but to hear the average fan's review of the KO over Austin it's like it went the full 12...just LISTEN to the first left hook that lands, it reminds me of what the Hearns-Duran KO sounded like, and Wlad immediately follows with 4 more left hooks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO_sWnawpU4


When Wlad lets his hands go he is a great fighter to watch, but you just can't always expect it in a division where no matter who you are fighting 1 punch could change it....200+ pound full grown men will fucking hurt you when they land clean, no matter who it is throwing the punches...Povetkin got hurt by Eddie damn Chambers! That's how defensive these guys have to be, and Wladimir isn't the type of guy like Tyson or Holyfield who could use their offense as their defense...the jab is a part of his defense but that's about it as far as punches go.

[El Kabong]

Even the Brock KO was pretty nice IMO....whenever you drop an undefeated fighter face first to the canvas with one shot you're doing something impressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-75N_8iqB0

[Violent Demise]

Thank you. That is exactly what I'm talking about. For whatever reasons people love to bad mouth Wlad. If people like you ain't giving him credit on his wins over Peter, Thompson, Byrd and Brock what the fukk makes you think there going to give him credit for his win over Haye? A much smaller fighter with chin and stamina issues. They won't.

Chris Byrd- was the #1 ranked heavyweight in the world at the time, and he had been #1 for at least a year. And that was not only by The Ring, but by every other legitimate boxing journalist.

Calvin Brock and Samuel Peter were both undefeated top 10 contenders.

Sultan Ibragimov- was a title unification

Tony Thopmson and Ray Austin were knockouts of alphabet mandatories

Lamon Brewster- avenging a loss

Hasim Rahman- well I will give you that one. Rahman was spent.

Their status in a piss poor division is irrelavent. Who cares who is the best out of a very bad bunch? It's actually painful to watch - that's how bad it is.

I wasn't saying it's Wlad's fault, he has actually fought pretty much all that is out there. My point is, the division is an embarassment. The majority of the 'eilite' fighters are a good 1-2 stone overweight.

David Haye brings something completely different to the table. He's not an overweight plodder who is going to stand in front of him like a sitting duck.

If people criticize him then so be it, but to the majority, it's no lesser an achievement than beating any of the other heavyweight fighters.

Chances are Haye will get ko'd but this fight is being talked about like no other heavyweight fight...maybe since Lewis - Vitali.

But David Haye's staus in another piss poor division is suppose to be relevant?

[ono]

Chris Byrd- was the #1 ranked heavyweight in the world at the time, and he had been #1 for at least a year. And that was not only by The Ring, but by every other legitimate boxing journalist.

Calvin Brock and Samuel Peter were both undefeated top 10 contenders.

Sultan Ibragimov- was a title unification

Tony Thopmson and Ray Austin were knockouts of alphabet mandatories

Lamon Brewster- avenging a loss

Hasim Rahman- well I will give you that one. Rahman was spent.

Their status in a piss poor division is irrelavent. Who cares who is the best out of a very bad bunch? It's actually painful to watch - that's how bad it is.

I wasn't saying it's Wlad's fault, he has actually fought pretty much all that is out there. My point is, the division is an embarassment. The majority of the 'eilite' fighters are a good 1-2 stone overweight.

David Haye brings something completely different to the table. He's not an overweight plodder who is going to stand in front of him like a sitting duck.

If people criticize him then so be it, but to the majority, it's no lesser an achievement than beating any of the other heavyweight fighters.

Chances are Haye will get ko'd but this fight is being talked about like no other heavyweight fight...maybe since Lewis - Vitali.

But David Haye's staus in another piss poor division is suppose to be relevant?

No but going to Paris to knockout the undisputed champion and then taking Enzo's belt off him in spectacular fashion is just as impressive as anything the other heavyweight contenders have done in recent times. Hell knocking Monte Barret down 5 times is more impressive than anything most other contenders have recently done.

[El Kabong]

No but going to Paris to knockout the undisputed champion and then taking Enzo's belt off him in spectacular fashion is just as impressive as anything the other heavyweight contenders have done in recent times. Hell knocking Monte Barret down 5 times is more impressive than anything most other contenders have recently done.

SAY WHAT?!?!?!

Wladimir did that 9 years ago when Monte Barrett was RELEVANT IN THE DIVISION and only had 1 loss on his record and that was a SD to Lance Whittaker....and apprently it didn't impress all the Klitschko haters who frequent this site.

David Haye has beaten 2 heavyweights who have been RECENTLY KO'd by the likes of the lead fisted Nicolay Valuev and Audley Harrison. At least Cris Arreola has challenged himself at heavyweight and fought some decent competition....Walker was a heavy hitter, the two guys Haye has fought couldn't break wind much less crack a fighter's jaw AND David Haye did get knocked down by Barrett.

David Haye (and his fans) LOOOOVE talking shit, well I hope they find it amusing when Haye is drinking meat through a straw after eating a few too many right crosses