Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
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RP33
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BoxingGorilla
Spicoli & Bilbo are both making sense to me.
If I had to pick an outcome I'd say that Mayweather outpoints Spinks with a SD.
In my eyes losing to Spinks (no matter how much bigger he is) would wipe Mayweather off the historical map.
Agree that Mayweather cannot lose this fight if he wants to have another big fight ever again.. which is where the huge risk lies in a tune up fight.. but to say it will be an SD may be just as bad as a loss..
I see Floyd fighting to a UD by a clear 3-4 round margin. Spinks is bigger and is still pretty quick, but I don't give him much of a chance in this fight considering he does not have KO power.
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Bilbo
I actually really like this fight. Tough ask for Floyd, you guys saying this is easy are forgetting just how small Floyd is.
Spinks is a legitimate junior middleweight and has even fought for the undisputed middleweight world title. Floyd's natural weight class is probably 140 right now so even at welter he's giving a lot of size away.
After more than a year out, going straight into a world title fight with Cory Spinks, who hasn't been beaten decisively since the second Zab Judah fight and was arguably unlucky to have lost to both Jermain Taylor and Verno Phillips.
I'd make it 60/40 in favour of Floyd but Cory has a great chance imo.
I only quoted Bilbo on this so this post would show up again.. Just for everyone who was complaining about Floyd picking on the "smaller" Ricky Hatton. Just makes me chuckle..
Yeah Floyd and Ricky are really meant for the same weight class. Floyd would beat Ricky whatever weight they fought at.
Oh and let me also say this. Cory Spinks is a MUCH tougher opponent than Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez style plays straight into Floyd Mayweather and he would knock Marquez out I have no doubt.
Spinks is one awkward fighter though although he seems to have slipped of late and now like Winky is much more flat footed in times past. His chin is suspect too so I'd give Floyd the edge. But its a far bigger risk than taking on Marquez imo.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
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Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
RP33
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BoxingGorilla
Spicoli & Bilbo are both making sense to me.
If I had to pick an outcome I'd say that Mayweather outpoints Spinks with a SD.
In my eyes losing to Spinks (no matter how much bigger he is) would wipe Mayweather off the historical map.
Agree that Mayweather cannot lose this fight if he wants to have another big fight ever again.. which is where the huge risk lies in a tune up fight.. but to say it will be an SD may be just as bad as a loss..
I see Floyd fighting to a UD by a clear 3-4 round margin. Spinks is bigger and is still pretty quick, but I don't give him much of a chance in this fight considering he does not have KO power.
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Bilbo
I actually really like this fight. Tough ask for Floyd, you guys saying this is easy are forgetting just how small Floyd is.
Spinks is a legitimate junior middleweight and has even fought for the undisputed middleweight world title. Floyd's natural weight class is probably 140 right now so even at welter he's giving a lot of size away.
After more than a year out, going straight into a world title fight with Cory Spinks, who hasn't been beaten decisively since the second Zab Judah fight and was arguably unlucky to have lost to both Jermain Taylor and Verno Phillips.
I'd make it 60/40 in favour of Floyd but Cory has a great chance imo.
I only quoted Bilbo on this so this post would show up again.. Just for everyone who was complaining about Floyd picking on the "smaller" Ricky Hatton. Just makes me chuckle..
Yeah Floyd and Ricky are really meant for the same weight class. Floyd would beat Ricky whatever weight they fought at.
Oh and let me also say this. Cory Spinks is a MUCH tougher opponent than Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez style plays straight into Floyd Mayweather and he would knock Marquez out I have no doubt.
Spinks is one awkward fighter though although he seems to have slipped of late and now like Winky is much more flat footed in times past. His chin is suspect too so I'd give Floyd the edge. But its a far bigger risk than taking on Marquez imo.
Spinks tougher than Marquez? I don't see it! I thought Mayorga beat him, Judah should have stopped him twice but he lost focus & let Spinks of the hook. Bearly survived Karmazin & struggled with both Phillips & Latimore! Marquez would knock Spinks out, & a fight with Mayweather would be extremely difficult imo...
Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
i have no problem with the fight
Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
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Taeth
I think Cory Spinks is pretty dangerous, he's tough to hit, he's fast, he is bigger than Mayweather, and he has great boxing skills.
You mean he use to be hard to hit. Lattimore has one of Boxings most predictable offenses. And had no problem landing on Spinks. This fight would of been intriguing years ago when it was first discussed. Now it's one-sided. Spinks is done. By alrights he should of lost his last fight. Cuz he didn't deserved the win.
On all side note, Marquez beats Spinks easily.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
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Taeth
I think Cory Spinks is pretty dangerous, he's tough to hit, he's fast, he is bigger than Mayweather, and he has great boxing skills.
You mean he use to be hard to hit. Lattimore has one of Boxings most predictable offenses. And had no problem landing on Spinks.
This fight would of been intriguing years ago when it was first discussed. Now it's one-sided. Spinks is done. By alrights he should of lost his last fight. Cuz he didn't deserved the win.
On all side note, Marquez beats Spinks easily.
Yeah when Spinks was champ at 147 at Mayweather was around 140. I still think Floyd would have knocked his a** out.
I'm not sure what Bilbo has against JMM but he seems to be picking everyone over him, Valero, Spinks... at least Valero has th potential to be competitive!
Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
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Galaxy
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Violent Demise
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Taeth
I think Cory Spinks is pretty dangerous, he's tough to hit, he's fast, he is bigger than Mayweather, and he has great boxing skills.
You mean he use to be hard to hit. Lattimore has one of Boxings most predictable offenses. And had no problem landing on Spinks.
This fight would of been intriguing years ago when it was first discussed. Now it's one-sided. Spinks is done. By alrights he should of lost his last fight. Cuz he didn't deserved the win.
On all side note, Marquez beats Spinks easily.
Yeah when Spinks was champ at 147 at Mayweather was around 140. I still think Floyd would have knocked his a** out.
I'm not sure what Bilbo has against JMM but he seems to be picking everyone over him, Valero, Spinks... at least Valero has th potential to be competitive!
You really think Marquez would knock out Cory Spinks? :confused:
p4p maybe but in an actual real fight Marquez loses handily. He's a featherweight, Spinks is a junior middle, just because Manny Pacquaio was able to beat a naturally 160 lb Oscar weighing 143 lbs doesn't mean Marquez can move up another 3 weight classes and beat him.
Marquez vs Karmazin at 154 is a mismatch, Marquez gets battered.
It's not that I have anything against Marquez its just that we are talking 20 lbs difference in weight classes here.
In a mythical p4p where everybody weighed the same and were the same size then Marquez is a much tougher fight for Floyd than Spinks, but we don't live in that world and a 130 lb Marquez ballooned to 147 is simply an easier fight for Floyd than a Cory Spinks fighting in his natural weight class of 154 lbs. He's three inches taller, has a 5 inch reach advantage over Marquez and Floyd would have to be very careful to beat him.
It's a tricky fight, Marquez on the other hand would be fighting so far over his natural weight that he'd be easy pickings for Floyd.
How can you not see that?
This is what I don't understand about people on here. They criticise Carl Froch's win over Taylor saying he was great at middleweight but nothing at super middle, just one division up from where he started his career but they believe that Marquez would be able to go up from his starting weight of featherweight to junior middleweight to knock out Cory Spinks, and that he'd be a tougher fight for Floyd going up to 154 to face Spinks, a three time and former undisputed champion at that weight? :confused:
Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
Yes I really do think JMM would knock out Spinks!!!
History is littered with smaller guys beating bigger men! Just because your bigger doesn't necessarily mean better & I'll only use the Pacquiao fight to illustrate that, not compare.
Spinks used to be very slick, but even at his best at 147 he was never great! Hell I had the very crude Mayorga beating him! Plus his chin leaves a lot to be desired & an excellent technician like Marquez would have no trouble with Spinks.
Marquez is 135 now & I agree it would be a big step up to 154, but although Spinks is the bigger man he does not fight in a way that it would be to his advantage! Sure he has height & reach but Marquez is a brilliant fighter!!!
As to Mayweather/ JMM who's to say Floyd won't return at 147 thats not that far apart... & again the bigger Mayweather fights defensively!
Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
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Bilbo
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Galaxy
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Violent Demise
You mean he use to be hard to hit. Lattimore has one of Boxings most predictable offenses. And had no problem landing on Spinks. This fight would of been intriguing years ago when it was first discussed. Now it's one-sided. Spinks is done. By alrights he should of lost his last fight. Cuz he didn't deserved the win.
On all side note, Marquez beats Spinks easily.
Yeah when Spinks was champ at 147 at Mayweather was around 140. I still think Floyd would have knocked his a** out.
I'm not sure what Bilbo has against JMM but he seems to be picking everyone over him, Valero, Spinks... at least Valero has th potential to be competitive!
You really think Marquez would knock out Cory Spinks? :confused:
p4p maybe but in an actual real fight Marquez loses handily. He's a featherweight, Spinks is a junior middle, just because Manny Pacquaio was able to beat a naturally 160 lb Oscar weighing 143 lbs doesn't mean Marquez can move up another 3 weight classes and beat him.
Marquez vs Karmazin at 154 is a mismatch, Marquez gets battered.
It's not that I have anything against Marquez its just that we are talking 20 lbs difference in weight classes here.
In a mythical p4p where everybody weighed the same and were the same size then Marquez is a much tougher fight for Floyd than Spinks, but we don't live in that world and a 130 lb Marquez ballooned to 147 is simply an easier fight for Floyd than a Cory Spinks fighting in his natural weight class of 154 lbs. He's three inches taller, has a 5 inch reach advantage over Marquez and Floyd would have to be very careful to beat him.
It's a tricky fight, Marquez on the other hand would be fighting so far over his natural weight that he'd be easy pickings for Floyd.
How can you not see that?
This is what I don't understand about people on here. They criticise Carl Froch's win over Taylor saying he was great at middleweight but nothing at super middle, just one division up from where he started his career but they believe that Marquez would be able to go up from his starting weight of featherweight to junior middleweight to knock out Cory Spinks, and that he'd be a tougher fight for Floyd going up to 154 to face Spinks, a three time and former undisputed champion at that weight? :confused:
back to the topic, if Latimore who is no where near elite was able to drop Spinks and pound on him for 12 rounds, barely losing the fight, than Mayweather should stop Spinks within 8 or get a very boring shutout
Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
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Taeth
I think Cory Spinks is pretty dangerous, he's tough to hit, he's fast, he is bigger than Mayweather, and he has great boxing skills.
:lol::rotflmao:
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Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
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Galaxy
Yes I really do think JMM would knock out Spinks!!!
History is littered with smaller guys beating bigger men! Just because your bigger doesn't necessarily mean better & I'll only use the Pacquiao fight to illustrate that, not compare.
Spinks used to be very slick, but even at his best at 147 he was never great! Hell I had the very crude Mayorga beating him! Plus his chin leaves a lot to be desired & an excellent technician like Marquez would have no trouble with Spinks.
Marquez is 135 now & I agree it would be a big step up to 154, but although Spinks is the bigger man he does not fight in a way that it would be to his advantage! Sure he has height & reach but Marquez is a brilliant fighter!!!
As to Mayweather/ JMM who's to say Floyd won't return at 147 thats not that far apart... & again the bigger Mayweather fights defensively!
Mate Mayorga gave Shane Mosely far more problems than Margarito did.
You are entitled to your opinions but there is no way in the world that Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out or even beats Cory Spinks at 154 simply no way.
If Spinks met him at 140 I'd side with Marquez, at 147 he might have a chance depending on how draining making weight was for Cory but at 154 lbs there is simply no way.
You say history is littered with little guys moving up weight classes to beat world champs well then just name a few in the last say 30 years who have climbed 5 weight classes including 3 in one go and knocked out a reigning world champ.
To my knowledge Manny is the only guy to have come close. Floyd and Oscar have been the only fighters in recent years able to jump multiple divisions in recent years.
The only other guy I can think of is Roberto Duran. Hearns, is much like Williams in that his frame was so massive he wasnt disadvantaged by the jump in weight.
Marquez however is 5 ft 7, he aint jumping to junior middle and beating even Sergio Mora.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
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Bilbo
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Galaxy
Yes I really do think JMM would knock out Spinks!!!
History is littered with smaller guys beating bigger men! Just because your bigger doesn't necessarily mean better & I'll only use the Pacquiao fight to illustrate that, not compare.
Spinks used to be very slick, but even at his best at 147 he was never great! Hell I had the very crude Mayorga beating him! Plus his chin leaves a lot to be desired & an excellent technician like Marquez would have no trouble with Spinks.
Marquez is 135 now & I agree it would be a big step up to 154, but although Spinks is the bigger man he does not fight in a way that it would be to his advantage! Sure he has height & reach but Marquez is a brilliant fighter!!!
As to Mayweather/ JMM who's to say Floyd won't return at 147 thats not that far apart... & again the bigger Mayweather fights defensively!
Mate Mayorga gave Shane Mosely far more problems than Margarito did.
You are entitled to your opinions but there is no way in the world that Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out or even beats Cory Spinks at 154 simply no way.
If Spinks met him at 140 I'd side with Marquez, at 147 he might have a chance depending on how draining making weight was for Cory but at 154 lbs there is simply no way.
You say history is littered with little guys moving up weight classes to beat world champs well then just name a few in the last say 30 years who have climbed 5 weight classes including 3 in one go and knocked out a reigning world champ.
To my knowledge Manny is the only guy to have come close. Floyd and Oscar have been the only fighters in recent years able to jump multiple divisions in recent years.
The only other guy I can think of is Roberto Duran. Hearns, is much like Williams in that his frame was so massive he wasnt disadvantaged by the jump in weight.
Marquez however is 5 ft 7, he aint jumping to junior middle and beating even Sergio Mora.
Leonard and Jones Jr also did it
Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
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Bilbo
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Galaxy
Yes I really do think JMM would knock out Spinks!!!
History is littered with smaller guys beating bigger men! Just because your bigger doesn't necessarily mean better & I'll only use the Pacquiao fight to illustrate that, not compare.
Spinks used to be very slick, but even at his best at 147 he was never great! Hell I had the very crude Mayorga beating him! Plus his chin leaves a lot to be desired & an excellent technician like Marquez would have no trouble with Spinks.
Marquez is 135 now & I agree it would be a big step up to 154, but although Spinks is the bigger man he does not fight in a way that it would be to his advantage! Sure he has height & reach but Marquez is a brilliant fighter!!!
As to Mayweather/ JMM who's to say Floyd won't return at 147 thats not that far apart... & again the bigger Mayweather fights defensively!
Mate Mayorga gave Shane Mosely far more problems than Margarito did.
You are entitled to your opinions but there is no way in the world that Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out or even beats Cory Spinks at 154 simply no way.
If Spinks met him at 140 I'd side with Marquez, at 147 he might have a chance depending on how draining making weight was for Cory but at 154 lbs there is simply no way.
You say history is littered with little guys moving up weight classes to beat world champs well then just name a few in the last say 30 years who have climbed 5 weight classes including 3 in one go and knocked out a reigning world champ.
To my knowledge Manny is the only guy to have come close. Floyd and Oscar have been the only fighters in recent years able to jump multiple divisions in recent years.
The only other guy I can think of is Roberto Duran. Hearns, is much like Williams in that his frame was so massive he wasnt disadvantaged by the jump in weight.
Marquez however is 5 ft 7, he aint jumping to junior middle and beating even Sergio Mora.
Leonard and Jones Jr also did it
Leonard didn't he won titles from welter to super middle thats 4 divisions. In fact only 3 because his supermiddleweight title was fought at 160, the middleweight limit, dont ask me why.
Jones Jr did and the was the only man in history to achieve that feat and he didn't come close to knocking Ruiz out.
Even the great Roberto Duran didn't he knocked out Barkley at middleweight, that's a climb of 4 divisions.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
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Bilbo
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Galaxy
Yes I really do think JMM would knock out Spinks!!!
History is littered with smaller guys beating bigger men! Just because your bigger doesn't necessarily mean better & I'll only use the Pacquiao fight to illustrate that, not compare.
Spinks used to be very slick, but even at his best at 147 he was never great! Hell I had the very crude Mayorga beating him! Plus his chin leaves a lot to be desired & an excellent technician like Marquez would have no trouble with Spinks.
Marquez is 135 now & I agree it would be a big step up to 154, but although Spinks is the bigger man he does not fight in a way that it would be to his advantage! Sure he has height & reach but Marquez is a brilliant fighter!!!
As to Mayweather/ JMM who's to say Floyd won't return at 147 thats not that far apart... & again the bigger Mayweather fights defensively!
Mate Mayorga gave Shane Mosely far more problems than Margarito did.
You are entitled to your opinions but there is no way in the world that Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out or even beats Cory Spinks at 154 simply no way.
If Spinks met him at 140 I'd side with Marquez, at 147 he might have a chance depending on how draining making weight was for Cory but at 154 lbs there is simply no way.
You say history is littered with little guys moving up weight classes to beat world champs well then just name a few in the last say 30 years who have climbed 5 weight classes including 3 in one go and knocked out a reigning world champ.
To my knowledge Manny is the only guy to have come close. Floyd and Oscar have been the only fighters in recent years able to jump multiple divisions in recent years.
The only other guy I can think of is Roberto Duran. Hearns, is much like Williams in that his frame was so massive he wasnt disadvantaged by the jump in weight.
Marquez however is 5 ft 7, he aint jumping to junior middle and beating even Sergio Mora.
O.K. for starters I never said beating world champs, I just said bigger men
The difference between Marquez & Spinks would be about 19 pounds right?
Roy Jones was outweighed by 33 pounds against Ruiz
Bernard Hopkins came from 160 to face Tarver at 175 a 15 pound difference there
Shane Mosley went from 135 to 154
Leonar went up to 175
Davarryl Williamson was outweighted by over 100 pounds vs Corey Sanders
David Haye was outweighted by 23 pounds when he fought Delaney & 14 pounds against Bonin
There are thousands more... now I'm just using these because most other weight classes the fighters weight about the same.
Now just because those guys were bigger doesn't mean they were better!
If you think Mayorga is more talented than Marquez then thats your call, but what about Judah who should have stopped Spinks twice or Pineda who could have won that fight, Karmazin, even Latimore who's best opponent was Powell.
Spinks was never that good a fighter & Marquez would prove this... he fights defensively & the weight is really irrelevant.
Bilbo I think you are putting to much emphasis on weight, when you should be concerned with skill
For the record I think Marquez would have more trouble with Mora than Spinks
Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
I get that Corey is a bigger opponent who has been active and can be difficult, but I don't see anything that he does better than Floyd. It will be a boring UD for Pretty boy if you ask me.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...
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Bilbo
Mate Mayorga gave Shane Mosely far more problems than Margarito did.
You are entitled to your opinions but there is no way in the world that Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out or even beats Cory Spinks at 154 simply no way.
If Spinks met him at 140 I'd side with Marquez, at 147 he might have a chance depending on how draining making weight was for Cory but at 154 lbs there is simply no way.
You say history is littered with little guys moving up weight classes to beat world champs well then just name a few in the last say 30 years who have climbed 5 weight classes including 3 in one go and knocked out a reigning world champ.
To my knowledge Manny is the only guy to have come close. Floyd and Oscar have been the only fighters in recent years able to jump multiple divisions in recent years.
The only other guy I can think of is Roberto Duran. Hearns, is much like Williams in that his frame was so massive he wasnt disadvantaged by the jump in weight.
Marquez however is 5 ft 7, he aint jumping to junior middle and beating even Sergio Mora.
Leonard and Jones Jr also did it
Leonard didn't he won titles from welter to super middle thats 4 divisions. In fact only 3 because his supermiddleweight title was fought at 160, the middleweight limit, dont ask me why.
Jones Jr did and the was the only man in history to achieve that feat and he didn't come close to knocking Ruiz out.
Even the great Roberto Duran didn't he knocked out Barkley at middleweight, that's a climb of 4 divisions.
umm no Leonard won up to the Lightheavyweight title making him the first 5 weight class champion, Hearns the 2nd, and Oscar the 3rd
Leonard beat Lalonde at supermiddle it was a catchweight fight and Leonard weighed in at 167
Jones almost dropped Ruiz in the 6th i believe, wobbled him bad with a straight right
