also proving that pac had better opposition than pbf.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
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also proving that pac had better opposition than pbf.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Haha and lost to one and drew with another. So your now saying drawing power is directly linked to a fighters quality?Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10also proving that pac had better opposition than pbf.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
The thread is about who is the bigger draw and when u look a common opponents Floyd by far outsells Pac.
Fact is, when Floyd beats Shane, die hard Pac fans will be the only people on the planet who would still have Floyd p4p #2. Floyd will be the consensus #1 fighter in the world, and we all know Mayweather-Mosley will sell more than Pacquiao-Clottey. When you're the top dog, the odds on favorite to win, AND the bigger draw, you will get, and deserve to get, more money. And people need to stop going back 4 and 5 years looking at their ppv numbers. The bigger draw means who's consistently been drawing more lately. If Freddie Roach and Manny are gonna cry that Mosley is a bigger draw than Clottey that's their own fault, since they had their pick of the litter on who Pacquiao was going to fight before Floyd and could have challenged Shane.
anyone want to elaborate on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by match
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou can also throw in that Barrera, Morales, and Marquez have a bigger fan base than Judah and BaldomirQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Have to disagree there mate, Pac deserves at least 50/50 here's a look at there PPV numbers before and after there fights with Dela HoyaQuote:
Originally Posted by piye
Mayweather's Highest PPV before De la Hoya:
Zab Judah - 374,000
Arturo Gatti - 365,000
Carlos Baldomir - 325,000
TOTAL : 1,064,000
Pacquiao's Highest PPV Fights before De la Hoya:
Juan Manuel Marquez Rematch - 400,000
Erik Morales 3rd Match - 360,000
Marco Antonio Barrera Rematch - 350,000
TOTAL: 1,110,000
Mayweather Fights after De la Hoya
Juan Manuel Marquez - 1,050,000
Ricky Hatton - 925,000
TOTAL: 1,975,000
Pacquiao Fights after De la Hoya
Miguel Cotto - 1,250,000
Ricky Hatton - 850,000
TOTAL: 2,100,000
The Mosley fight will probably do a couple of hundred thousand more but the same argument for comparing Pac/Cotto - Mayweather/JMM, could be used with the two fights coming up, with Mayweather having the less attractive ppv then and now Pac having the same situation.
But on the other hand you can look at these numbers below and say Floyd deserves more:
Marquez-Pacquiao 400k
Marquez-Mayweather 1.1Mill
Hatton-Pacquiao 850k
Hatton-Mayweather 950k
De La Hoya-Pacquiao 1.6Mill
De La Hoya-Mayweather 2.4Mill
But the timing of these fights had a big bearing, and the situation for instance Dela Hoya v Mayweather was seen as alot closer fight on paper than Pac Dela Hoya, everyone thought Pac would get blown away. Hard to say but looking at all figures 50/50 is fair imo.
So as Dela hoya, Hatton and of course Mosley. ;D
Floyd making these demands and rules this early is a testament that he really doesnt want to fight Pacman. Whatever happens on his fight vs Mosley, Floyd will never let that fight against Pacman to materialize.
Im rooting for Mosley to win, but I have a feeling the Floyd will just run and dance away while bitch-slapping mosley, and will get points for those slaps. He's good at it anyway so I must give credit to him.
I don't really care about the money issue as that is for homosexuals. I like the actual fights and fighters and promoters can worry about the dirty dollars.
I do care much more about the drugs testing because I believe it is valid and important for boxing. Mayweather is RIGHT to be pushing it and it was good to see him demand it of Mosley too. It shows consistency. People saying "oh well Mayweather is ducking Pac already" (which is what I have read on other forums too) are nuts. Manny has already ducked Floyd because either he doesn't want to fight or else is hiding something. If the fight never happens it is not Mayweathers fault. Mosley is able to fight him and yet under the same conditions Manny couldn't? And all the false excuses that went with it too?
I can't stand Mayweather, but I see things as they are. Mayweather will do much better than Pac in their next fights. Pac has been damaged by the allegations and Clottey is coming off a loss and isn't fan friendly. Mosley though out for a while is a name and coming off a good win. Mayweather will hold all the cards (IF he wins) and in terms of testing he will be right to erase all testing windows.
You see, this is what I am talking about. Manny has already ducked Floyd. A refusal to allow random drug testing is warning sign enough and that's without getting onto the issue of money. The fight won't happen because Manny already refuses to prove himself a clean athlete. It's that simple.Quote:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou can also throw in that Barrera, Morales, and Marquez have a bigger fan base than Judah and BaldomirQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
So as Dela hoya, Hatton and of course Mosley. ;D
Floyd making these demands and rules this early is a testament that he really doesnt want to fight Pacman. Whatever happens on his fight vs Mosley, Floyd will never let that fight against Pacman to materialize.
Im rooting for Mosley to win, but I have a feeling the Floyd will just run and dance away while bitch-slapping mosley, and will get points for those slaps. He's good at it anyway so I must give credit to him.
ummm, the fight didn't happen cause Pacquiao was too much of a bitch to take a simple blood test, the same type of blood tests Mosley had accepted, nice try thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by DenchQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou can also throw in that Barrera, Morales, and Marquez have a bigger fan base than Judah and BaldomirQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
So as Dela hoya, Hatton and of course Mosley. ;D
Floyd making these demands and rules this early is a testament that he really doesnt want to fight Pacman. Whatever happens on his fight vs Mosley, Floyd will never let that fight against Pacman to materialize.
Im rooting for Mosley to win, but I have a feeling the Floyd will just run and dance away while bitch-slapping mosley, and will get points for those slaps. He's good at it anyway so I must give credit to him.
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Originally Posted by Master
Manny Pacman will take the test if the commission will include it on its rules or will specially require them for a fight--- Thats what Bob Arum, Roach and PAcman told everyone. The commission will make those rules, not some thug or ex cons rappin out and beating a lady on the streets.
That was the stand of Pacman's camp on these drug test procedures. They will allow blood test or whatever tests if it will be required by the commission alone.
If Floyd wants to clean up the sports, then ask the commission to have the rules of drug testing revised and include Olympic blood testing procedures. I admire Floyd for making that effort to clean up the sports, but its very clear that he's doing this not on that purpose.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesummm, the fight didn't happen cause Pacquiao was too much of a bitch to take a simple blood test, the same type of blood tests Mosley had accepted, nice try thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by DenchQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
So as Dela hoya, Hatton and of course Mosley. ;D
Floyd making these demands and rules this early is a testament that he really doesnt want to fight Pacman. Whatever happens on his fight vs Mosley, Floyd will never let that fight against Pacman to materialize.
Im rooting for Mosley to win, but I have a feeling the Floyd will just run and dance away while bitch-slapping mosley, and will get points for those slaps. He's good at it anyway so I must give credit to him.
Because Floyd demands it does not mean that anyone has to follow. Pacman had the right stand on this. If those test will be required by the commission, then they will respectfully submit to those blood test. But Floyd and their camp are the ones pushing for this with no basis. Whats their basis again?
Mosley accepted the blood test procedures to clear his name out of accusations. Floyd had the basis on why they should ask Mosley to this test anyway -- Mosley was a self-confessed PED user in the past. Thats the basis.
With Pacman, what their basis? Roger's story about A-meth kind of thing that make Filipinos bullet-proof? ;D;D
the commission already has it's own rules and penalties for not making weight for a fight, so some little diva and his shaky trainer shouldn't be trying to alter those regulations for their benefitQuote:
Originally Posted by DenchQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Manny Pacman will take the test if the commission will include it on its rules or will specially require them for a fight--- Thats what Bob Arum, Roach and PAcman told everyone. The commission will make those rules, not some thug or ex cons rappin out and beating a lady on the streets.
That was the stand of Pacman's camp on these drug test procedures. They will allow blood test or whatever tests if it will be required by the commission alone.
If Floyd wants to clean up the sports, then ask the commission to have the rules of drug testing revised and include Olympic blood testing procedures. I admire Floyd for making that effort to clean up the sports, but its very clear that he's doing this not on that purpose.
I think the only way to have this settled is when all the commissions consider Olympic style drug testing for all bouts -- titled and non-title fights. This way Floyd does not need to demand this to simply duck fighters he feared.. Pacman says he will submit to any test that the sanctioning body will require. He did not let Floyd make his own rules over him.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesYou see, this is what I am talking about. Manny has already ducked Floyd. A refusal to allow random drug testing is warning sign enough and that's without getting onto the issue of money. The fight won't happen because Manny already refuses to prove himself a clean athlete. It's that simple.Quote:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
So as Dela hoya, Hatton and of course Mosley. ;D
Floyd making these demands and rules this early is a testament that he really doesnt want to fight Pacman. Whatever happens on his fight vs Mosley, Floyd will never let that fight against Pacman to materialize.
Im rooting for Mosley to win, but I have a feeling the Floyd will just run and dance away while bitch-slapping mosley, and will get points for those slaps. He's good at it anyway so I must give credit to him.
Yeah, rules for not making the weight -- I remember how Floyd screw this rule when he fought bloated Marquez at 147 and he still came in over weight. Thats the basis why Pacman camp asked for a huge fine on exceeding the 147 welter limit. Again, that was their basis. Floyd did it before and he will do it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthe commission already has it's own rules and penalties for not making weight for a fight, so some little diva and his shaky trainer shouldn't be trying to alter those regulations for their benefitQuote:
Originally Posted by DenchQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Manny Pacman will take the test if the commission will include it on its rules or will specially require them for a fight--- Thats what Bob Arum, Roach and PAcman told everyone. The commission will make those rules, not some thug or ex cons rappin out and beating a lady on the streets.
That was the stand of Pacman's camp on these drug test procedures. They will allow blood test or whatever tests if it will be required by the commission alone.
If Floyd wants to clean up the sports, then ask the commission to have the rules of drug testing revised and include Olympic blood testing procedures. I admire Floyd for making that effort to clean up the sports, but its very clear that he's doing this not on that purpose.
And whos trying to alter the rules on drug testing procedures? What their basis for asking an Olympic drug test procedure for this fight? Was their a basis at all?
I've always found it funny on 2 things that most boxing fans think. One is that close fights that could go either way are robberies and second is that elite (as in HOF all time great elites) fighters duck each other.
Some fights just don't get made because of egos with certain things, not because one or the other is scared. Both Floyd and Manny have taken on more than their fair share of dangerous fighters.
Floyd is fighting Mosley a very dangerous opponent and his past resume of fighting guys like Corrales and Manfreddy and Manny has fought guys that were extremely dangerous such as Cotto and Marquez at 126 when he was a not a big name fighter, but a dangerous opponent.
Floyd and Manny will happen if they win their next fights, it's just some trash talking and posturing.
If you want to see ducking, just take a look at Amir Khan and his avoidance of punchers, now that's ducking.
yea he broke the rule, and had to pay the fee given to him by the NSAC, not by Marquez, so who the fuck is Manny to say he should get $10 mil for every pound over the limit, same as who the fuck is Manny to demand catchweights for not only championship fights, but title defenses as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by DenchYeah, rules for not making the weight -- I remember how Floyd screw this rule when he fought bloated Marquez at 147 and he still came in over weight. Thats the basis why Pacman camp asked for a huge fine on exceeding the 147 welter limit. Again, that was their basis. Floyd did it before and he will do it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthe commission already has it's own rules and penalties for not making weight for a fight, so some little diva and his shaky trainer shouldn't be trying to alter those regulations for their benefitQuote:
Originally Posted by Dench
And whos trying to alter the rules on drug testing procedures? What their basis for asking an Olympic drug test procedure for this fight? Was their a basis at all?