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I agree with you on that Miles. The refusal of the random blood testing only raised some suspicion. It was the many different excuses and contradictions of why Manny didn't want the blood test that made it look bad and really fishy. Not to mention the so called lawsuit that somehow went away.
If Pacquiao retires after clottey all I can say is pound for pound champ my arse!
But I believe that this is just a retort to mayweather....
Floyd didn't turn away from the fight with Pacquiao until Manny had already officially signed to fight Clottey, he even tried to negotiate the time period of the testing with Manny but well we know what happened there, and Floyd only said that there won't be a 50/50 split if he fights Pacquiao now if his fight with Mosley outsells Pacquiao's fight with ClotteyQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
This goes both ways. Floyd already came up with a statement that it would not be a 50/50 if he fights Manny. This fight could also be derailed if Floyd doesn't get his way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales"If a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr." means, if Pacquiao doesn't get his way, which you know isn't gonna happen, sorry the blood tests DO need to happen, and if Pacquiao takes the pussy way out and tucks ass into retirement without the blood tests, there is always gonna be a cloud over his accomplishmentsQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
And yes, that blood test needs to happen. And do you know why the fight didn't happen? It isn't because Manny refused the blood test. He agreed to the blood test. They just didn't agree on the blood test protocol (24 days vs 14 days).
I have to go to bed now since I need to wake up early. I'll check on your response tomorrow. Don't worry, I'm not avoiding you.
this fight is already derailed because the two of them are a bunch of divas
and it's already been proven that urine tests just don't cut it anymore, Mayweather had already agreed to undergo the same exact procedures that Manny would have, yet it is still being billed as giving Floyd an "advantage"Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerThere is already the random urine drug test that is required and that both boxers has to go through. The disagreement was with the blood drug test protocol.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
People who are driving can be stopped by the police if there is a violation and can be asked to perform an alcohol breathe test if there is a suspicion that they are drunk. Why, can the cops in your country make you do the alcohol breathe test in the absence of any suspicion?
My question to you: Do you find Manny's accomplishment to be extra ordinary, average or not spectacular at all? Did you ever give any excuse as to why Manny's opponent lost?
Its all bullshiit, after Manny beat Cotto, apperantly Floyd was the only fight left for him then but no he fights a journeyman;DQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerThe first paragraph of the article reads:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Freddie Roach has suggested Manny Pacquiao's clash with Joshua Clottey could be the Filipino's swansong if a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr.
This to me does not look like Manny is scared and there is nothing here that would indicate that he is avoiding Floyd. If Manny wins against Clottey, the only fight left for him is Mayweather (provided he also wins his respective fight). And Roach used the word suggested which means it's not even definite.
As long as Pacquiao is filled to the eye balls with drugs he wont bhe scared of anyone thats true but hes not going to fight anyone if hes not allowed to do that is he:rolleyes:
Roach saying winner take all, if I was Floyd id make them get their lawyers to put that in writing then get all them to sign it, id then get my lawyers to check its water tight, id then waive the random tests, beat the shit of the midget and have $100 million in my back pocket, or whats left of it after taxes, manager and trainer fees and so on, probably less than half.
Roach and Pacquiao are jokes, Floyd makes one request and its only to make sure they are both being fair and Roach and Pacquiao run away crying like little biitch girls and fight a nobody in the middle of nowhere for nothing;D
the reason Manny might retire is because everyone will now demend Manny takes those tests.
Wasn't he supposed to start campaigning for political office directly after the Clottey fight? I haven't read the article, but that was why everything was rushed and had to be on a certain date right?
Have Pacquiao's political ambitions changed?
No, he's still running, but no guarantee that he'll win. He lost the last time
No way will he retire when there is so much money going his way at the minute. He has the potential to make the biggest PPV fight in history and he won't go away until that has either happened or at least been completely ruined by demands and refusals.
Tonight he was on TV, here in the Philippines, showing him taking a blood test in LA "like a man," showing no discomfort at all.
He said that familiar old spin that "he didn't want any blood tests close to the fight because it weakens him."
The police may be able to stop the people randomly but would they be able to demand alcohol breath test without any suspicion? Not in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThe police in this country do stop people randomly after a certain time in the evenings and I think it is a good idea considering so many like to drink and drive out here. So, in my instance the analogy fits. I don't know how it is in other countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerThere is already the random urine drug test that is required and that both boxers has to go through. The disagreement was with the blood drug test protocol.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
People who are driving can be stopped by the police if there is a violation and can be asked to perform an alcohol breathe test if there is a suspicion that they are drunk. Why, can the cops in your country make you do the alcohol breathe test in the absence of any suspicion?
My question to you: Do you find Manny's accomplishment to be extra ordinary, average or not spectacular at all? Did you ever give any excuse as to why Manny's opponent lost?
Manny's recent achievements have been spectacular. Marquez had his way with Manny only a few years ago and it took an age for him to get Diaz out of there and here he is marching up through the weights stopping bigger men with ease and busting them up badly. I would never have had any suspicions had it not been for their response to the demand of random drug testing. The refusal to go through with a mega fight over such a silly issue has cast doubt upon everything Manny has ever achieved.
If I refused to give a breath sample the cops would assume that I was trying to hide something, it's the same here. Manny's refusal to give random samples makes him look very suspicious. All it took was a simple "yes" and an impish grin and the fight would have been on. The lies that came with the refusal to give blood only deepened the question marks. Mosley has managed to go through with the testing proving it's not a big deal unless you make it a big deal. Manny comes off looking bad, and in the eyes of many, is like or not tarnished as a man who refused/couldn't prove he was for real.
I don't blame people for having such suspicions because of the way Manny responded to the request for the blood drug test. But, remember that there are people who also became suspicious that Floyd even demanded such in the first place. They, somehow, both tarnished their image.
If the cops requested breath sample from somebody, it is because they have a suspicion that the person may be drunk. A person being asked such should not be able to say no because the cop has the authority to demand such. Let's say there is this media person who hitched a ride in the cop car. You were stopped by that police and that media person is the one demanding that you subject yourself to the breath test. Would you? Some people would probably say yes but, let's be honest, some posters in here would not. I would not.
Mosley will agree to any demand just to be in a megafight. Wasn't he even willing to go down to a ridiculous weight just to have a chance with Pacquiao? And besides, he already admitted to such use and that's the only way he came somehow make himself look clean.
I agree with both of you. The way Pacquiao responded to the demand for the blood drug test did raise some suspicion. But most of the boxing fan would not lose sleep over this. They would not try to smear him every chance they have for "refusing" something that was demanded of him by a person not in authority to make such demands. And have you heard anything about the lawsuit being withdrawn? Just because you have stopped hearing about it, doesn't mean it still isn't there.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegit
Response to ElTerribleMorales:
Floyd didn't turn away from the fight with Pacquiao until Manny had already officially signed to fight Clottey, he even tried to negotiate the time period of the testing with Manny but well we know what happened there, and Floyd only said that there won't be a 50/50 split if he fights Pacquiao now if his fight with Mosley outsells Pacquiao's fight with Clottey
this fight is already derailed because the two of them are a bunch of divas
There was a disagreement with regards to the day when the last blood test is to be taken prior to the fight. They went to arbitration in order to save the negotiation. The arbitration failed because they can not agree on the blood test protocol. So, what more is there to discuss? (I wish eagle can help me find the link that I had used in another thread.) And I agree with you there that both of them are a bunch of divas.
and it's already been proven that urine tests just don't cut it anymore, Mayweather had already agreed to undergo the same exact procedures that Manny would have, yet it is still being billed as giving Floyd an "advantage"
Floyd has a specific demand (14 days) and he wants it to go his way. Manny has his own specific counter demand (24 days) and it also didn't go his way. We cannot blame one person for the failure of their megafight from happening.
[quote=ross;844512]Its all bullshiit, after Manny beat Cotto, apperantly Floyd was the only fight left for him then but no he fights a journeyman;DQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerThe first paragraph of the article reads:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Freddie Roach has suggested Manny Pacquiao's clash with Joshua Clottey could be the Filipino's swansong if a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr.
This to me does not look like Manny is scared and there is nothing here that would indicate that he is avoiding Floyd. If Manny wins against Clottey, the only fight left for him is Mayweather (provided he also wins his respective fight). And Roach used the word suggested which means it's not even definite.
Because of his political ambition in the Philippines, he was in a hurry to have a fight by March. Since the negotiation, and later arbitration, for their megafight failed, then he had to move on. Who then was the next best fighter available? Not Mosley because he was still scheduled to fight Berto then.
As long as Pacquiao is filled to the eye balls with drugs he wont bhe scared of anyone thats true but hes not going to fight anyone if hes not allowed to do that is he:rolleyes:
You are making an accussation here. To be suspicious of Manny is logical, to accuse him without any evidence is not.
Roach saying winner take all, if I was Floyd id make them get their lawyers to put that in writing then get all them to sign it, id then get my lawyers to check its water tight, id then waive the random tests, beat the shit of the midget and have $100 million in my back pocket, or whats left of it after taxes, manager and trainer fees and so on, probably less than half.
I would not even want to comment with regards to what Roach said. He, sometimes, talk too much. But I admire him as a trainer.
Roach and Pacquiao are jokes, Floyd makes one request and its only to make sure they are both being fair and Roach and Pacquiao run away crying like little biitch girls and fight a nobody in the middle of nowhere for nothing;D
You really think that the request was made for the fight to be fair. Is that what Floyd said or is that an assumption? When he can dictate the terms, did he made sure that their fight is fair and that he had no advantage?
the reason Manny might retire is because everyone will now demend Manny takes those tests.
But Manny did agree to the blood test. They will have to renegotiate again with regards to which protocol has to be followed. I just wish the Nevada Boxing Commission just demand the blood test and have all boxers follow their protocol.
Manny didnt agree to random tests thats why hes fighting a nobody instead.
There were also other viable opponents, like Bradley for example but like I said, his management wont let him fight Pacquiao without the tests, the only fighters that will are Bob Arums fighters, which is why you might see Pacquiao in with Margarito;D
I also wished that Pacquiao and Mayweather would be able to face each other and settle once and for all who is the P4P champ. But their fight negotiation collapsed and they both moved on. We can all go back to discussing the renegotiation for their fight once they have beaten their respective opponents. Until then, let's just settle down, relax and enjoy both of their fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Would anyone here be interested in discussing a possible Pacquiao-Mosley or Mayweather-Clottey bout?
Manny agreed to random blood test up until 24 days before and immediately after the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
But Bradley has been fighting at the 140 lb weight division. Manny would be critized for asking Bradley to go up in weight. Give me another worthy opponent. And Margarito does not deserve to have his license back this early.