Pacquiao possibly to retire after Clottey

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Freddie Roach hints end is nigh for Manny Pacquiao | More Sports News | ESPN.co.uk

what a friggin pussy, he's scared shitless of Mayweather lol

The first paragraph of the article reads:

Freddie Roach has suggested Manny Pacquiao's clash with Joshua Clottey could be the Filipino's swansong if a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

This to me does not look like Manny is scared and there is nothing here that would indicate that he is avoiding Floyd. If Manny wins against Clottey, the only fight left for him is Mayweather (provided he also wins his respective fight). And Roach used the word suggested which means it's not even definite.

"If a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr." means, if Pacquiao doesn't get his way, which you know isn't gonna happen, sorry the blood tests DO need to happen, and if Pacquiao takes the pussy way out and tucks ass into retirement without the blood tests, there is always gonna be a cloud over his accomplishments

This goes both ways. Floyd already came up with a statement that it would not be a 50/50 if he fights Manny. This fight could also be derailed if Floyd doesn't get his way.

And yes, that blood test needs to happen. And do you know why the fight didn't happen? It isn't because Manny refused the blood test. He agreed to the blood test. They just didn't agree on the blood test protocol (24 days vs 14 days).

I have to go to bed now since I need to wake up early. I'll check on your response tomorrow. Don't worry, I'm not avoiding you.

[KKisser]

The first paragraph of the article reads:

Freddie Roach has suggested Manny Pacquiao's clash with Joshua Clottey could be the Filipino's swansong if a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

This to me does not look like Manny is scared and there is nothing here that would indicate that he is avoiding Floyd. If Manny wins against Clottey, the only fight left for him is Mayweather (provided he also wins his respective fight). And Roach used the word suggested which means it's not even definite.

"If a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr." means, if Pacquiao doesn't get his way, which you know isn't gonna happen, sorry the blood tests DO need to happen, and if Pacquiao takes the pussy way out and tucks ass into retirement without the blood tests, there is always gonna be a cloud over his accomplishments

This goes both ways. Floyd already came up with a statement that it would not be a 50/50 if he fights Manny. This fight could also be derailed if Floyd doesn't get his way.

And yes, that blood test needs to happen. And do you know why the fight didn't happen? It isn't because Manny refused the blood test. He agreed to the blood test. They just didn't agree on the blood test protocol (24 days vs 14 days).

I have to go to bed now since I need to wake up early. I'll check on your response tomorrow. Don't worry, I'm not avoiding you.

don't worry much about elterriblemorales, the morales should be struck out of his name when it comes to pacquiao. lol

[Spicoli]

He's not retiring....win or lose vs Clottey and I dont think the former is a certainty.

[Gandalf]

Pac might not be scared of Mayweather, but he is scared of taking a random drug test. If people can be stopped randomly when driving a car to breathe into a tube, then Manny can agree to a random drugs test. It's the same thing, no one is saying you are guilty, but it's up to you every now and then just to do something and say "there you go...I'm clean, let's fight". Just as the driver can drive away into the night, the fighter can then get his career high payday. You don't just drive down backstreets in the hope that there are no cops and where you will only pass people driving Top Rank cars. That to me indicates drink driving.

[MMASUX]

In the past few years i have come to learn two things. Pac is not scared of anyone, and NEVER to believe Freddy Roach.

[blegit]

In the past few years i have come to learn two things. Pac is not scared of anyone, and NEVER to believe Freddy Roach.

I absolutely agree with both points.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Pac might not be scared of Mayweather, but he is scared of taking a random drug test. If people can be stopped randomly when driving a car to breathe into a tube, then Manny can agree to a random drugs test. It's the same thing, no one is saying you are guilty, but it's up to you every now and then just to do something and say "there you go...I'm clean, let's fight". Just as the driver can drive away into the night, the fighter can then get his career high payday. You don't just drive down backstreets in the hope that there are no cops and where you will only pass people driving Top Rank cars. That to me indicates drink driving.

There is already the random urine drug test that is required and that both boxers has to go through. The disagreement was with the blood drug test protocol.

People who are driving can be stopped by the police if there is a violation and can be asked to perform an alcohol breathe test if there is a suspicion that they are drunk. Why, can the cops in your country make you do the alcohol breathe test in the absence of any suspicion?

My question to you: Do you find Manny's accomplishment to be extra ordinary, average or not spectacular at all? Did you ever give any excuse as to why Manny's opponent lost?

[Gandalf]

Pac might not be scared of Mayweather, but he is scared of taking a random drug test. If people can be stopped randomly when driving a car to breathe into a tube, then Manny can agree to a random drugs test. It's the same thing, no one is saying you are guilty, but it's up to you every now and then just to do something and say "there you go...I'm clean, let's fight". Just as the driver can drive away into the night, the fighter can then get his career high payday. You don't just drive down backstreets in the hope that there are no cops and where you will only pass people driving Top Rank cars. That to me indicates drink driving.

There is already the random urine drug test that is required and that both boxers has to go through. The disagreement was with the blood drug test protocol.

People who are driving can be stopped by the police if there is a violation and can be asked to perform an alcohol breathe test if there is a suspicion that they are drunk. Why, can the cops in your country make you do the alcohol breathe test in the absence of any suspicion?

My question to you: Do you find Manny's accomplishment to be extra ordinary, average or not spectacular at all? Did you ever give any excuse as to why Manny's opponent lost?

The police in this country do stop people randomly after a certain time in the evenings and I think it is a good idea considering so many like to drink and drive out here. So, in my instance the analogy fits. I don't know how it is in other countries.

Manny's recent achievements have been spectacular. Marquez had his way with Manny only a few years ago and it took an age for him to get Diaz out of there and here he is marching up through the weights stopping bigger men with ease and busting them up badly. I would never have had any suspicions had it not been for their response to the demand of random drug testing. The refusal to go through with a mega fight over such a silly issue has cast doubt upon everything Manny has ever achieved.

If I refused to give a breath sample the cops would assume that I was trying to hide something, it's the same here. Manny's refusal to give random samples makes him look very suspicious. All it took was a simple "yes" and an impish grin and the fight would have been on. The lies that came with the refusal to give blood only deepened the question marks. Mosley has managed to go through with the testing proving it's not a big deal unless you make it a big deal. Manny comes off looking bad, and in the eyes of many, is like or not tarnished as a man who refused/couldn't prove he was for real.

[blegit]

I agree with you on that Miles. The refusal of the random blood testing only raised some suspicion. It was the many different excuses and contradictions of why Manny didn't want the blood test that made it look bad and really fishy. Not to mention the so called lawsuit that somehow went away.

[Hornfinger]

If Pacquiao retires after clottey all I can say is pound for pound champ my arse!

But I believe that this is just a retort to mayweather....

[ElTerribleMorales]

The first paragraph of the article reads:

Freddie Roach has suggested Manny Pacquiao's clash with Joshua Clottey could be the Filipino's swansong if a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

This to me does not look like Manny is scared and there is nothing here that would indicate that he is avoiding Floyd. If Manny wins against Clottey, the only fight left for him is Mayweather (provided he also wins his respective fight). And Roach used the word suggested which means it's not even definite.

"If a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr." means, if Pacquiao doesn't get his way, which you know isn't gonna happen, sorry the blood tests DO need to happen, and if Pacquiao takes the pussy way out and tucks ass into retirement without the blood tests, there is always gonna be a cloud over his accomplishments

This goes both ways. Floyd already came up with a statement that it would not be a 50/50 if he fights Manny. This fight could also be derailed if Floyd doesn't get his way.

And yes, that blood test needs to happen. And do you know why the fight didn't happen? It isn't because Manny refused the blood test. He agreed to the blood test. They just didn't agree on the blood test protocol (24 days vs 14 days).

I have to go to bed now since I need to wake up early. I'll check on your response tomorrow. Don't worry, I'm not avoiding you.

Floyd didn't turn away from the fight with Pacquiao until Manny had already officially signed to fight Clottey, he even tried to negotiate the time period of the testing with Manny but well we know what happened there, and Floyd only said that there won't be a 50/50 split if he fights Pacquiao now if his fight with Mosley outsells Pacquiao's fight with Clottey

this fight is already derailed because the two of them are a bunch of divas

Pac might not be scared of Mayweather, but he is scared of taking a random drug test. If people can be stopped randomly when driving a car to breathe into a tube, then Manny can agree to a random drugs test. It's the same thing, no one is saying you are guilty, but it's up to you every now and then just to do something and say "there you go...I'm clean, let's fight". Just as the driver can drive away into the night, the fighter can then get his career high payday. You don't just drive down backstreets in the hope that there are no cops and where you will only pass people driving Top Rank cars. That to me indicates drink driving.

There is already the random urine drug test that is required and that both boxers has to go through. The disagreement was with the blood drug test protocol.

People who are driving can be stopped by the police if there is a violation and can be asked to perform an alcohol breathe test if there is a suspicion that they are drunk. Why, can the cops in your country make you do the alcohol breathe test in the absence of any suspicion?

My question to you: Do you find Manny's accomplishment to be extra ordinary, average or not spectacular at all? Did you ever give any excuse as to why Manny's opponent lost?

and it's already been proven that urine tests just don't cut it anymore, Mayweather had already agreed to undergo the same exact procedures that Manny would have, yet it is still being billed as giving Floyd an "advantage"

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I agree with you on that Miles. The refusal of the random blood testing only raised some suspicion. It was the many different excuses and contradictions of why Manny didn't want the blood test that made it look bad and really fishy. Not to mention the so called lawsuit that somehow went away.

I agree with both of you. The way Pacquiao responded to the demand for the blood drug test did raise some suspicion. But most of the boxing fan would not lose sleep over this. They would not try to smear him every chance they have for "refusing" something that was demanded of him by a person not in authority to make such demands. And have you heard anything about the lawsuit being withdrawn? Just because you have stopped hearing about it, doesn't mean it still isn't there.

[mad_takamura]

I agree with you on that Miles. The refusal of the random blood testing only raised some suspicion. It was the many different excuses and contradictions of why Manny didn't want the blood test that made it look bad and really fishy. Not to mention the so called lawsuit that somehow went away.

Here we go again. After pac beats clottey we end up again on the same shit over and over again. I mean not coming from a pachugger but coming to a perspective from a fan who sees the hope of boxing upon some little guy's shoulder being tarnished endlessly in this site, give this guy a fucking break. Isn't it ridiculous that after we see him achive something every now and then, instead of a hand of salute :"thanks pac for doing this for boxing" we have mud being thrown to the little guy? Why not focus on the future of seeing this 2 divas destroy each other? Fair enough?
Suspicion is good as long as you give the guy some benefit of a doubt. But we only raise suspicion. WE MUST NOT ACCUSE AS A FINAL CONCLUSION. We really don't know what's behind of all of this potion a-meth shit. It's as if EVERY FUCKIN THING THAT COMES OFF THAT CRACK HEAD'S MOUTH WE FUCKIN SWALLOW! Where's your dignity, guys? Why don't we be careful in accepting things out of the grapevine before we jump in to conclusions as if they are part of some monumental truth? Are we really helping boxing in itself or are we helping the hate campaign of some few who have agenda's on there own? THINK GUYS THINK! You all call yourselves boxing analysts impartial but i don't know, man! I don't fuckin know..

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Pac might not be scared of Mayweather, but he is scared of taking a random drug test. If people can be stopped randomly when driving a car to breathe into a tube, then Manny can agree to a random drugs test. It's the same thing, no one is saying you are guilty, but it's up to you every now and then just to do something and say "there you go...I'm clean, let's fight". Just as the driver can drive away into the night, the fighter can then get his career high payday. You don't just drive down backstreets in the hope that there are no cops and where you will only pass people driving Top Rank cars. That to me indicates drink driving.

There is already the random urine drug test that is required and that both boxers has to go through. The disagreement was with the blood drug test protocol.

People who are driving can be stopped by the police if there is a violation and can be asked to perform an alcohol breathe test if there is a suspicion that they are drunk. Why, can the cops in your country make you do the alcohol breathe test in the absence of any suspicion?

My question to you: Do you find Manny's accomplishment to be extra ordinary, average or not spectacular at all? Did you ever give any excuse as to why Manny's opponent lost?

The police in this country do stop people randomly after a certain time in the evenings and I think it is a good idea considering so many like to drink and drive out here. So, in my instance the analogy fits. I don't know how it is in other countries.

Manny's recent achievements have been spectacular. Marquez had his way with Manny only a few years ago and it took an age for him to get Diaz out of there and here he is marching up through the weights stopping bigger men with ease and busting them up badly. I would never have had any suspicions had it not been for their response to the demand of random drug testing. The refusal to go through with a mega fight over such a silly issue has cast doubt upon everything Manny has ever achieved.

If I refused to give a breath sample the cops would assume that I was trying to hide something, it's the same here. Manny's refusal to give random samples makes him look very suspicious. All it took was a simple "yes" and an impish grin and the fight would have been on. The lies that came with the refusal to give blood only deepened the question marks. Mosley has managed to go through with the testing proving it's not a big deal unless you make it a big deal. Manny comes off looking bad, and in the eyes of many, is like or not tarnished as a man who refused/couldn't prove he was for real.

The police may be able to stop the people randomly but would they be able to demand alcohol breath test without any suspicion? Not in this country.

I don't blame people for having such suspicions because of the way Manny responded to the request for the blood drug test. But, remember that there are people who also became suspicious that Floyd even demanded such in the first place. They, somehow, both tarnished their image.

If the cops requested breath sample from somebody, it is because they have a suspicion that the person may be drunk. A person being asked such should not be able to say no because the cop has the authority to demand such. Let's say there is this media person who hitched a ride in the cop car. You were stopped by that police and that media person is the one demanding that you subject yourself to the breath test. Would you? Some people would probably say yes but, let's be honest, some posters in here would not. I would not.
Mosley will agree to any demand just to be in a megafight. Wasn't he even willing to go down to a ridiculous weight just to have a chance with Pacquiao? And besides, he already admitted to such use and that's the only way he came somehow make himself look clean.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

Just talk to create hype and sell tickets....whats new?