Pacquiao possibly to retire after Clottey

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Freddie Roach hints end is nigh for Manny Pacquiao | More Sports News | ESPN.co.uk

what a friggin pussy, he's scared shitless of Mayweather lol

The first paragraph of the article reads:

Freddie Roach has suggested Manny Pacquiao's clash with Joshua Clottey could be the Filipino's swansong if a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

This to me does not look like Manny is scared and there is nothing here that would indicate that he is avoiding Floyd. If Manny wins against Clottey, the only fight left for him is Mayweather (provided he also wins his respective fight). And Roach used the word suggested which means it's not even definite.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Freddie Roach hints end is nigh for Manny Pacquiao | More Sports News | ESPN.co.uk

what a friggin pussy, he's scared shitless of Mayweather lol

The first paragraph of the article reads:

Freddie Roach has suggested Manny Pacquiao's clash with Joshua Clottey could be the Filipino's swansong if a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

This to me does not look like Manny is scared and there is nothing here that would indicate that he is avoiding Floyd. If Manny wins against Clottey, the only fight left for him is Mayweather (provided he also wins his respective fight). And Roach used the word suggested which means it's not even definite.

"If a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr." means, if Pacquiao doesn't get his way, which you know isn't gonna happen, sorry the blood tests DO need to happen, and if Pacquiao takes the pussy way out and tucks ass into retirement without the blood tests, there is always gonna be a cloud over his accomplishments

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Freddie Roach hints end is nigh for Manny Pacquiao | More Sports News | ESPN.co.uk

what a friggin pussy, he's scared shitless of Mayweather lol

The first paragraph of the article reads:

Freddie Roach has suggested Manny Pacquiao's clash with Joshua Clottey could be the Filipino's swansong if a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

This to me does not look like Manny is scared and there is nothing here that would indicate that he is avoiding Floyd. If Manny wins against Clottey, the only fight left for him is Mayweather (provided he also wins his respective fight). And Roach used the word suggested which means it's not even definite.

"If a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr." means, if Pacquiao doesn't get his way, which you know isn't gonna happen, sorry the blood tests DO need to happen, and if Pacquiao takes the pussy way out and tucks ass into retirement without the blood tests, there is always gonna be a cloud over his accomplishments

This goes both ways. Floyd already came up with a statement that it would not be a 50/50 if he fights Manny. This fight could also be derailed if Floyd doesn't get his way.

And yes, that blood test needs to happen. And do you know why the fight didn't happen? It isn't because Manny refused the blood test. He agreed to the blood test. They just didn't agree on the blood test protocol (24 days vs 14 days).

I have to go to bed now since I need to wake up early. I'll check on your response tomorrow. Don't worry, I'm not avoiding you.

[KKisser]

The first paragraph of the article reads:

Freddie Roach has suggested Manny Pacquiao's clash with Joshua Clottey could be the Filipino's swansong if a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

This to me does not look like Manny is scared and there is nothing here that would indicate that he is avoiding Floyd. If Manny wins against Clottey, the only fight left for him is Mayweather (provided he also wins his respective fight). And Roach used the word suggested which means it's not even definite.

"If a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr." means, if Pacquiao doesn't get his way, which you know isn't gonna happen, sorry the blood tests DO need to happen, and if Pacquiao takes the pussy way out and tucks ass into retirement without the blood tests, there is always gonna be a cloud over his accomplishments

This goes both ways. Floyd already came up with a statement that it would not be a 50/50 if he fights Manny. This fight could also be derailed if Floyd doesn't get his way.

And yes, that blood test needs to happen. And do you know why the fight didn't happen? It isn't because Manny refused the blood test. He agreed to the blood test. They just didn't agree on the blood test protocol (24 days vs 14 days).

I have to go to bed now since I need to wake up early. I'll check on your response tomorrow. Don't worry, I'm not avoiding you.

don't worry much about elterriblemorales, the morales should be struck out of his name when it comes to pacquiao. lol

[Spicoli]

He's not retiring....win or lose vs Clottey and I dont think the former is a certainty.

[Gandalf]

Pac might not be scared of Mayweather, but he is scared of taking a random drug test. If people can be stopped randomly when driving a car to breathe into a tube, then Manny can agree to a random drugs test. It's the same thing, no one is saying you are guilty, but it's up to you every now and then just to do something and say "there you go...I'm clean, let's fight". Just as the driver can drive away into the night, the fighter can then get his career high payday. You don't just drive down backstreets in the hope that there are no cops and where you will only pass people driving Top Rank cars. That to me indicates drink driving.

[MMASUX]

In the past few years i have come to learn two things. Pac is not scared of anyone, and NEVER to believe Freddy Roach.

[blegit]

In the past few years i have come to learn two things. Pac is not scared of anyone, and NEVER to believe Freddy Roach.

I absolutely agree with both points.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Pac might not be scared of Mayweather, but he is scared of taking a random drug test. If people can be stopped randomly when driving a car to breathe into a tube, then Manny can agree to a random drugs test. It's the same thing, no one is saying you are guilty, but it's up to you every now and then just to do something and say "there you go...I'm clean, let's fight". Just as the driver can drive away into the night, the fighter can then get his career high payday. You don't just drive down backstreets in the hope that there are no cops and where you will only pass people driving Top Rank cars. That to me indicates drink driving.

There is already the random urine drug test that is required and that both boxers has to go through. The disagreement was with the blood drug test protocol.

People who are driving can be stopped by the police if there is a violation and can be asked to perform an alcohol breathe test if there is a suspicion that they are drunk. Why, can the cops in your country make you do the alcohol breathe test in the absence of any suspicion?

My question to you: Do you find Manny's accomplishment to be extra ordinary, average or not spectacular at all? Did you ever give any excuse as to why Manny's opponent lost?

[Gandalf]

Pac might not be scared of Mayweather, but he is scared of taking a random drug test. If people can be stopped randomly when driving a car to breathe into a tube, then Manny can agree to a random drugs test. It's the same thing, no one is saying you are guilty, but it's up to you every now and then just to do something and say "there you go...I'm clean, let's fight". Just as the driver can drive away into the night, the fighter can then get his career high payday. You don't just drive down backstreets in the hope that there are no cops and where you will only pass people driving Top Rank cars. That to me indicates drink driving.

There is already the random urine drug test that is required and that both boxers has to go through. The disagreement was with the blood drug test protocol.

People who are driving can be stopped by the police if there is a violation and can be asked to perform an alcohol breathe test if there is a suspicion that they are drunk. Why, can the cops in your country make you do the alcohol breathe test in the absence of any suspicion?

My question to you: Do you find Manny's accomplishment to be extra ordinary, average or not spectacular at all? Did you ever give any excuse as to why Manny's opponent lost?

The police in this country do stop people randomly after a certain time in the evenings and I think it is a good idea considering so many like to drink and drive out here. So, in my instance the analogy fits. I don't know how it is in other countries.

Manny's recent achievements have been spectacular. Marquez had his way with Manny only a few years ago and it took an age for him to get Diaz out of there and here he is marching up through the weights stopping bigger men with ease and busting them up badly. I would never have had any suspicions had it not been for their response to the demand of random drug testing. The refusal to go through with a mega fight over such a silly issue has cast doubt upon everything Manny has ever achieved.

If I refused to give a breath sample the cops would assume that I was trying to hide something, it's the same here. Manny's refusal to give random samples makes him look very suspicious. All it took was a simple "yes" and an impish grin and the fight would have been on. The lies that came with the refusal to give blood only deepened the question marks. Mosley has managed to go through with the testing proving it's not a big deal unless you make it a big deal. Manny comes off looking bad, and in the eyes of many, is like or not tarnished as a man who refused/couldn't prove he was for real.

[ross]

Freddie Roach hints end is nigh for Manny Pacquiao | More Sports News | ESPN.co.uk

what a friggin pussy, he's scared shitless of Mayweather lol

The first paragraph of the article reads:

Freddie Roach has suggested Manny Pacquiao's clash with Joshua Clottey could be the Filipino's swansong if a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

This to me does not look like Manny is scared and there is nothing here that would indicate that he is avoiding Floyd. If Manny wins against Clottey, the only fight left for him is Mayweather (provided he also wins his respective fight). And Roach used the word suggested which means it's not even definite.

Its all bullshiit, after Manny beat Cotto, apperantly Floyd was the only fight left for him then but no he fights a journeyman

As long as Pacquiao is filled to the eye balls with drugs he wont bhe scared of anyone thats true but hes not going to fight anyone if hes not allowed to do that is he

Roach saying winner take all, if I was Floyd id make them get their lawyers to put that in writing then get all them to sign it, id then get my lawyers to check its water tight, id then waive the random tests, beat the shit of the midget and have $100 million in my back pocket, or whats left of it after taxes, manager and trainer fees and so on, probably less than half.

Roach and Pacquiao are jokes, Floyd makes one request and its only to make sure they are both being fair and Roach and Pacquiao run away crying like little biitch girls and fight a nobody in the middle of nowhere for nothing

the reason Manny might retire is because everyone will now demend Manny takes those tests.

[killersheep]

Wasn't he supposed to start campaigning for political office directly after the Clottey fight? I haven't read the article, but that was why everything was rushed and had to be on a certain date right?

Have Pacquiao's political ambitions changed?

[djcione]

No, he's still running, but no guarantee that he'll win. He lost the last time

[InTheNeutralCorner]

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Freddie Roach hints end is nigh for Manny Pacquiao | More Sports News | ESPN.co.uk

what a friggin pussy, he's scared shitless of Mayweather lol

The first paragraph of the article reads:

Freddie Roach has suggested Manny Pacquiao's clash with Joshua Clottey could be the Filipino's swansong if a deal cannot be struck with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

This to me does not look like Manny is scared and there is nothing here that would indicate that he is avoiding Floyd. If Manny wins against Clottey, the only fight left for him is Mayweather (provided he also wins his respective fight). And Roach used the word suggested which means it's not even definite.

Its all bullshiit, after Manny beat Cotto, apperantly Floyd was the only fight left for him then but no he fights a journeyman

Because of his political ambition in the Philippines, he was in a hurry to have a fight by March. Since the negotiation, and later arbitration, for their megafight failed, then he had to move on. Who then was the next best fighter available? Not Mosley because he was still scheduled to fight Berto then.

As long as Pacquiao is filled to the eye balls with drugs he wont bhe scared of anyone thats true but hes not going to fight anyone if hes not allowed to do that is he

You are making an accussation here. To be suspicious of Manny is logical, to accuse him without any evidence is not.

Roach saying winner take all, if I was Floyd id make them get their lawyers to put that in writing then get all them to sign it, id then get my lawyers to check its water tight, id then waive the random tests, beat the shit of the midget and have $100 million in my back pocket, or whats left of it after taxes, manager and trainer fees and so on, probably less than half.

I would not even want to comment with regards to what Roach said. He, sometimes, talk too much. But I admire him as a trainer.

Roach and Pacquiao are jokes, Floyd makes one request and its only to make sure they are both being fair and Roach and Pacquiao run away crying like little biitch girls and fight a nobody in the middle of nowhere for nothing

You really think that the request was made for the fight to be fair. Is that what Floyd said or is that an assumption? When he can dictate the terms, did he made sure that their fight is fair and that he had no advantage?

the reason Manny might retire is because everyone will now demend Manny takes those tests.

But Manny did agree to the blood test. They will have to renegotiate again with regards to which protocol has to be followed. I just wish the Nevada Boxing Commission just demand the blood test and have all boxers follow their protocol.

[ross]

Manny didnt agree to random tests thats why hes fighting a nobody instead.

There were also other viable opponents, like Bradley for example but like I said, his management wont let him fight Pacquiao without the tests, the only fighters that will are Bob Arums fighters, which is why you might see Pacquiao in with Margarito