Re: Question for the Pacman fans
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Pac is way to good for Bradley and Alexander that is very high praise for Pac, I don't think there is a real test for him at 147 or below other than Mayweather, an the only way we get Pac in a tough test is probably put him in with a guy alot bigger than him.
I don't disagree, but the winner of that fight is going to be a top 10, maybe top 5 if Bradley wins, P4P fighter and that would be a huge win for Pacquaio. Especially if the guy he beats goes on to achieve great things in the sport, which I think is very possible.
Martinez and Williams are already in the top 5 on most lists and fight at the weight Pacquiao is fighting at now. Bradley and Alexander are fighting at the weight Pacquiao fought at before and a weight he won't fight at again. Why make boxers come up to fight him if he could fight someone at the weight he is fighting at now? Basically, I just think that for his legacy, Martinez and Williams are much bigger wins.
Re: Question for the Pacman fans
My preference after Margarito :
2011
Floyd
Floyd Rematch
2012
Berto is he's unbeaten at the time if not Bradley. both at 54
Sergio Martinez @160 :D
2013
1 Easy Farewell fight
Retire
Re: Question for the Pacman fans
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miron_lang
My preference after Margarito :
2011
Floyd
Floyd Rematch
2012
Berto is he's unbeaten at the time if not Bradley. both at 54
Sergio Martinez @160 :D
2013
1 Easy Farewell fight
Retire
I completely agree that Floyd is the preferred choice, but assuming that won't happen in his next fight (although maybe the fight afterward), you're saying you prefer Berto? Actually, I agreee in that I mean I may like that more than Bradley/Alexander winner. I still say Sergio Martinez at 154 is the best fight out there for him in terms of noteworthy opponent and securing his legacy.
Re: Question for the Pacman fans
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CFH
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Pac is way to good for Bradley and Alexander that is very high praise for Pac, I don't think there is a real test for him at 147 or below other than Mayweather, an the only way we get Pac in a tough test is probably put him in with a guy alot bigger than him.
I don't disagree, but the winner of that fight is going to be a top 10, maybe top 5 if Bradley wins, P4P fighter and that would be a huge win for Pacquaio. Especially if the guy he beats goes on to achieve great things in the sport, which I think is very possible.
Martinez and Williams are already in the top 5 on most lists and fight at the weight Pacquiao is fighting at now. Bradley and Alexander are fighting at the weight Pacquiao fought at before and a weight he won't fight at again. Why make boxers come up to fight him if he could fight someone at the weight he is fighting at now? Basically, I just think that for his legacy, Martinez and Williams are much bigger wins.
I agree that Martinez and/or Williams would be much bigger wins, but I really don't think Pacquiao will fight them. Martinez is a legit MW and Williams probably is too, I think that would just be a step too far for Pacquiao and I think his team would probably feel the same way.
Re: Question for the Pacman fans
I'm pretty sure Martinez can't make 154, and even if he did I think that is too much of a step for Pacquiao. The winner of Bradley/Alexander is the logical choice in terms of being the same size, considering that Pac really is a small welterweight. And I really don't think he needs to fight Martinez or Williams to secure his legacy. It's already set. In fact any victory over an elite opponent now only enhances it not secure it.
Re: Question for the Pacman fans
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CFH
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Rantcatrat
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CFH
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skel1983
Pac is way to good for Bradley and Alexander that is very high praise for Pac, I don't think there is a real test for him at 147 or below other than Mayweather, an the only way we get Pac in a tough test is probably put him in with a guy alot bigger than him.
I don't disagree, but the winner of that fight is going to be a top 10, maybe top 5 if Bradley wins, P4P fighter and that would be a huge win for Pacquaio. Especially if the guy he beats goes on to achieve great things in the sport, which I think is very possible.
Martinez and Williams are already in the top 5 on most lists and fight at the weight Pacquiao is fighting at now. Bradley and Alexander are fighting at the weight Pacquiao fought at before and a weight he won't fight at again. Why make boxers come up to fight him if he could fight someone at the weight he is fighting at now? Basically, I just think that for his legacy, Martinez and Williams are much bigger wins.
I agree that Martinez and/or Williams would be much bigger wins, but I really don't think Pacquiao will fight them. Martinez is a legit MW and Williams probably is too,
I think that would just be a step too far for Pacquiao and I think his team would probably feel the same way.
Yes, I mean I doubt Pacquiao fights them, but I think that the winner of that fight would be the best possible win out there for Pacquiao other than Mayweather bar none. Martinez started his career at 147 and fought most of his last five years at 154 and Williams has fought most of his last five years at 147. Martinez is fighting Williams at 157. I can guarantee you for a fight with Pacquiao, either will drop to 154 in a heart beat. I would also say that Martinez is more a junior middleweight than a middleweight, which is reflective in that he has fought most of his career at 154.
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I'm pretty sure Martinez can't make 154, and even if he did I think that is too much of a step for Pacquiao. The winner of Bradley/Alexander is the logical choice in terms of being the same size, considering that Pac really is a small welterweight. And I really don't think he needs to fight Martinez or Williams to secure his legacy. It's already set. In fact any victory over an elite opponent now only enhances it not secure it.
Martinez can definitely make 154 if he is making 157 for Williams now and he fought Kermit Cintron at 154 and most of his career at that weight. And for a fight with Pacquiao? I bet he'd try and make 147 ;D. I mentioned earlier in the thread that he only dropped his belts at 154 because he was forced to choose between the middleweight belt and the junior middleweight belt, but he would have held defended both of them if he had been permitted.
Margarito was big welterweight/junior middleweight. In fact, he is taller than Martinez and in my opinion a little bit bigger; either way, there isn't a size difference between Margarito and Martinez. If he will fight Margarito in a junior middleweight match - why not Martinez? Is Martinez too good? I don't think he needs to secure his legacy either, clearly, he is a great fighter with a secured legacy, but a fight with Martinez/Williams does more to enhance his legacy than a fight with Bradley/Alexander. What would you personally say is a more impressive win? And if he can't fight Mayweather, why not take the biggest challenge out there?
Fine though after Martinez/Williams, Berto or Bradley/Alexander winner?
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I would want Pacquiao to go after what I think everyone will agree to as the greatest challenge (other than Mayweather) in the winner of Martinez/Williams. It would be nice for him to assume the role of an underdog once more for the victory will be sweeter. If he loses, I don't believe that it will damage his reputation one bit. It would just mean that he has reached his limit.
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Even a really hard fought out loss to the likes of a Martinez at 154 will add large amounts of credit to his legacy... More so than destroying someone coming up from 140 or even an A Grade 140 pound fighter...
That is where I find the contrast between a Pac vs Mayweather legacy... It's as much about the wins on their record, as the challenges and steps up they made into dangerous territory.... successful or not....
To have a few zero's on your record means you've pushed yourself to the absolute limit of your ability....
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1.02.05
Re: Question for the Pacman fans
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If he loses, I don't believe that it will damage his reputation one bit. It would just mean that he has reached his limit.
i agree but it would be sweet if he manages to win all of his remaining fights. :)
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InTheNeutralCorner
If he loses, I don't believe that it will damage his reputation one bit. It would just mean that he has reached his limit.
i agree but it would be sweet if he manages to win all of his remaining fights. :)
Haha didn't read that post by Neutral but I basically said the same thing.... A fighter pushing towards his limits deserves a huge amount of credit... More than carefully picking out your wins...
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1.02.05
Re: Question for the Pacman fans
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mnmc10
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InTheNeutralCorner
If he loses, I don't believe that it will damage his reputation one bit. It would just mean that he has reached his limit.
i agree but it would be sweet if he manages to win all of his remaining fights. :)
Haha didn't read that post by Neutral but I basically said the same thing....
A fighter pushing towards his limits deserves a huge amount of credit... More than carefully picking out your wins...
CFAEAF65-9E9B-2C48-3112-FA056EA4B5A1
1.02.05
This.
Re: Question for the Pacman fans
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Dizaster
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mnmc10
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InTheNeutralCorner
If he loses, I don't believe that it will damage his reputation one bit. It would just mean that he has reached his limit.
i agree but it would be sweet if he manages to win all of his remaining fights. :)
Haha didn't read that post by Neutral but I basically said the same thing....
A fighter pushing towards his limits deserves a huge amount of credit... More than carefully picking out your wins...
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1.02.05
This.
And I do not want him to retire while on a winning streak because then we would not know what his limit would be. But that is just being selfish on my part. He deserves to retire anytime soon after having gone through all those wars.
Re: Question for the Pacman fans
Pacquiao has no business fighting at 154!
The notion of the catchweight fight at 150 with Margo is obtuse... with its undeniable hint of gimmickry as it is being sold disguised as a championship fight for a junior middleweight crown. Pacquiao, if so been taken in to severe lunacy agree to fighting natural junior middleweights, will be beholden with the rock that will sink his ship.
There is a huge disparity between Margarito and Williams in stature... in a picture circulated a few winks ago showed Margarito being 5'11", still easily dwarfed by the much taller than a 6'2" Paul Williams. How much more would the disparity be, if it was Manny Pac versus PW in that sort of picture... it will be laughable. This kind of fight will not cement Pacquiao's legacy, but it will, his lunacy!
Would it not be insane indeed to even think that it will be a thing of beauty, or a thing of interest to witness this kind of a matchup... Maybe yes, if roadkill has a place for great match-ups! Pac is the deer in headlights... of course!
I guess if there is one individual who is less than tactful to wish for these mismatches to happen... Pac vs the Goliaths of the square ring, it is but the "Quiet One", Floyd Mayweather Jr.
The result, a Pac win or a loss, is not even remotely the target of interest, the interest here by Floyd Jr. however, is the amount of damage that the little guy Pacquiao will sustain after this kind of an encounter.
Win or lose, factor the disadvantaged situation he will be in all these fight scenarios, it is not a stretch to conclude that there indeed will be a level of damage that the PacMan will have to absorb.
One can think of so many segue ways, so many angles for profit that the "Quiet One" will be enabled to spin thereof, regardless of the outcome these bouts will have brought... one thing guaranteed though, it will be spun, woven, and weaved to make himself coming out smelling like a singular fresh, white rose!
Purity of intentions! The martyrdom has concluded, and the savior of the sport has come about! Eveyone now rise and bow for the "Quiet One". LOL!
It will not be hard therefore, to fathom or view that these fight scenarios as mentioned above, will potentially be used as a buffer or a rectifyer of some sort, in order to address nagging questions that until now has been left unanswered... why, the greatest "duck" of all!
Re: Question for the Pacman fans
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Pacquiao has no business fighting at 154!
We don't know that yet. Let's judge his performance on his upcoming fight first.
If he KOs Marg inside 6, then we may see at 154 next year.
