Carl froch vs Andre ward?

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by ono

I don't think he'll look that great against Johnson to be honest, although he should still win.

Think Ward will beat him though. Bad style match-up for him.

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i think the other way dude

froch is stronger than ward, ward will find it tough fighting the way usually fights

he has a chance if he uses his skills on the back foot but its not his normal game

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froch should beat johnson, but ward should beat him. ward smothers and holds and fights rough. he'll move in on froch too fast for froch to catch him and then he'll smother him all night. none of ward's fights are very entertaining, and this won't be either. the fight isn't in Oakland though - that should even the playing field a little bit. still favor ward though.

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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

Froch has no chance IMO. Ward's speed and defense will own Froch. Froch will be beat to the punch and pot shotted all night. The super six tourney is a complete joke anyway, not even interested in these fights anymore.

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Ugh. What a fool.

For all the garbage people want to talk about Froch, he consistantly is able to land up-jabs on top 10 SMWs. He is deceptive with speed and has sneaky power... He throws from odd angles, in unorthodox and besides bad foot placement he's an all around solid fighter that is in the top 3 SMWs in the word. Ward would have his hands full with Froch as would ANYONE in the div. Styles make fights and if Froch can cut off the ring effectively and take short steps back when Ward comes in to hold/headbut, he could score an enormous upset.

As far as the supersix being "a joke"... It's a great idea to breath life into a rather floundering sport and any ideas are welcome.

How is pitting the best of a div against eachother (or at least most of the top guys) a bad idea?

Step your game up because your lack luster decription on why you find a ground breaking tourny "a joke" is, in fact, a joke.

Go play badminton or something. Leave the combat sports to the people that understand them. You, clearly, don't.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by ono

I don't think he'll look that great against Johnson to be honest, although he should still win.

Think Ward will beat him though. Bad style match-up for him.

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i think the other way dude

froch is stronger than ward, ward will find it tough fighting the way usually fights

he has a chance if he uses his skills on the back foot but its not his normal game

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froch should beat johnson, but ward should beat him. ward smothers and holds and fights rough. he'll move in on froch too fast for froch to catch him and then he'll smother him all night. none of ward's fights are very entertaining, and this won't be either. the fight isn't in Oakland though - that should even the playing field a little bit. still favor ward though.

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in my opinion thats why ward will struggle, froch will be too strong on the inside

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by ono

I don't think he'll look that great against Johnson to be honest, although he should still win.

Think Ward will beat him though. Bad style match-up for him.

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i think the other way dude

froch is stronger than ward, ward will find it tough fighting the way usually fights

he has a chance if he uses his skills on the back foot but its not his normal game

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froch should beat johnson, but ward should beat him. ward smothers and holds and fights rough. he'll move in on froch too fast for froch to catch him and then he'll smother him all night. none of ward's fights are very entertaining, and this won't be either. the fight isn't in Oakland though - that should even the playing field a little bit. still favor ward though.

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in my opinion thats why ward will struggle, froch will be too strong on the inside

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fair play. maybe we sig bet when that comes into fruition.

Are people in denial? Ward is ten times better than Froch. He has a better jab, he's more technical, he's a much better inside fighter. THe only way Froch wins is if he can hurt Ward.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Are people in denial? Ward is ten times better than Froch. He has a better jab, he's more technical, he's a much better inside fighter. THe only way Froch wins is if he can hurt Ward.

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Has Ward even been wobbled as a professional?

Edit. Darnell Boone knocked him down.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Are people in denial? Ward is ten times better than Froch. He has a better jab, he's more technical, he's a much better inside fighter. THe only way Froch wins is if he can hurt Ward.

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Has Ward even been wobbled as a professional?

Edit. Darnell Boone knocked him down.

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It's naive to think anyone can't get hurt in boxing, they all have. Especially against decent puncher like froch. I think froch is surprisingly effective with his style, but honestly think of a guy coming in on you like that. He has a stiff jab with awkward yet somewhat effective defensive skills. He seems wide open but he's more than willing to take a shot to land one harder on you, and he does little things that spoil his opponent's gameplan. The he will have with Ward which he largely had with dirrell except when he cheated, is that Andre will get and out too quickly for froch to retaliate and ward will dictate the pace with his jab moreso than froch because he quicker, and because he moves with his whole body behind the jab. Froch snaps his up, but his footwork isn't really there when he moves in with his jab, and he's a little off balance. If ward moves away from it then counters with his own jab then froch will be frustrated all night. Also andre will be the first guy froch has faced that has a real inside game while being an elite fighter.

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

Froch has no chance IMO. Ward's speed and defense will own Froch. Froch will be beat to the punch and pot shotted all night. The super six tourney is a complete joke anyway, not even interested in these fights anymore.

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Ugh. What a fool.

For all the garbage people want to talk about Froch, he consistantly is able to land up-jabs on top 10 SMWs. He is deceptive with speed and has sneaky power... He throws from odd angles, in unorthodox and besides bad foot placement he's an all around solid fighter that is in the top 3 SMWs in the word. Ward would have his hands full with Froch as would ANYONE in the div. Styles make fights and if Froch can cut off the ring effectively and take short steps back when Ward comes in to hold/headbut, he could score an enormous upset.

As far as the supersix being "a joke"... It's a great idea to breath life into a rather floundering sport and any ideas are welcome.

How is pitting the best of a div against eachother (or at least most of the top guys) a bad idea?

Step your game up because your lack luster decription on why you find a ground breaking tourny "a joke" is, in fact, a joke.

Go play badminton or something. Leave the combat sports to the people that understand them. You, clearly, don't.

Cheers

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First off, while I agree that it's stupid to say the super six isn't interesting anymore, but you shouldn't criticize other peoples knowledge of the sport when you also don't have a great knowledge of what's going in there. You can't just take a step back and counter ward coming in, people have been saying to do that against Hopkins and nobody has been able to do that. This is because they don't just try to get in and hold. They control the space and they maintain the pressure on their opponent. It's why they have such great range because they lead with their feet and not their hands. They don't just fall in like ruiz. If froch tries to step back he's just giving ward room to follow the jab with a cross. This fight will be similar to mayweather mosley because one guy is better coordinate with a more solid base and the other is stronger also athletic but often off balance and has a poor base

If its in Oakland Froch has little to no chance so he will have to go for a KO which will play into Wards hands.

Froch went up in my estimation in his last fight. I knew he was tough but I didnt know he had those skills to totally outclass a world class fighter like Abraham. Ward went down in my estimation. Nobody looks good vs Bika but Ward had everything in his favour yet again but still couldnt showcase himself. After 6 rounds it was still anybodies fight but the decision was never in question.

Stylistically Froch matches up well against Ward. He wont have to go looking for him like he did against Dirrell because Ward needs to get close to land those headbutts and he also likes to wrestle and impose his strength. I cant see him beating Froch at that game who gave as good as he got vs Pascal. Ward might have to switch styles when he realises he cant rough Froch up and will revert to backfoot boxing. Carl isnt as adaptable and will press the action making it look like Wards outboxing him. After a close 12 rounds, Ward wins a landslide decision.

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by ono

I don't think he'll look that great against Johnson to be honest, although he should still win.

Think Ward will beat him though. Bad style match-up for him.

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i think the other way dude

froch is stronger than ward, ward will find it tough fighting the way usually fights

he has a chance if he uses his skills on the back foot but its not his normal game

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froch should beat johnson, but ward should beat him. ward smothers and holds and fights rough. he'll move in on froch too fast for froch to catch him and then he'll smother him all night. none of ward's fights are very entertaining, and this won't be either. the fight isn't in Oakland though - that should even the playing field a little bit. still favor ward though.

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in my opinion thats why ward will struggle, froch will be too strong on the inside

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fair play. maybe we sig bet when that comes into fruition.

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I'm in :)

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Originally Posted by GAME

If its in Oakland Froch has little to no chance so he will have to go for a KO which will play into Wards hands.

Froch went up in my estimation in his last fight. I knew he was tough but I didnt know he had those skills to totally outclass a world class fighter like Abraham. Ward went down in my estimation. Nobody looks good vs Bika but Ward had everything in his favour yet again but still couldnt showcase himself. After 6 rounds it was still anybodies fight but the decision was never in question.

Stylistically Froch matches up well against Ward. He wont have to go looking for him like he did against Dirrell because Ward needs to get close to land those headbutts and he also likes to wrestle and impose his strength. I cant see him beating Froch at that game who gave as good as he got vs Pascal. Ward might have to switch styles when he realises he cant rough Froch up and will revert to backfoot boxing. Carl isnt as adaptable and will press the action making it look like Wards outboxing him. After a close 12 rounds, Ward wins a landslide decision.

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You can't compare ward to pascal he's a way more complete fighter. Ward beat bika nearly every round and at his own game. Ward could have easily outboxed him but chose not to. Physical strength means hardly anything when talking about a guy muscling another in this case. Froch has a poor base and balance which is far more important, and where ward far surpasses. You also make the mistake in thinking ward just leads in with his head. Please actually watch his fights. It's just what happens when you move your whole body forward and you slip in the way he does. It's as much the opponents' fault as his own, because they simply stand there and leave their head right there to be hit like kessler. He's controlling the space of course his head will be coming in, why would you leave your head to be hit? But froch has such poor footwork that he will caught when ward moves in when he's not in stance

I know this should be another thread. I also know most don't care.
Anyone hear from Dirrell?

Froch will be too strong for ward IF he can get close enough, ward mite just pot shot him all fight,

C'mon Froch do it for Nottingham, forest get promotion and Froch wins super six, ave it!

I knew this thread would be good. I'm enjoying the comments
Interesting stuff guys

Andre should win this but i will be supporting Carl. If he can land big then who knows but I think Andre is too seasoned and quick. Carl will try and bully him but it will not work especially in Andre's hometown. ;)