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I don't see it as dead at all, I think the Klitschko's would dominated any era without Lennox Lewis in it. They are way too big and athletic for the 80's or 70's. I think there are good guys out there, maybe on average not as high as some points in history, but they are way better than when Holmes reigned.
Not a fucking chance. They would have been massacred by the top men of the 70's and the likes of Tyson, Evander, Bowe and Lewis would have smashed both Klits all day long. Like Lennox said, at my worst I beat Vitali at his best. Say no more. And as for the 70's crop, as David Haye said on Ringside the other week "I'd like to think I could live with that era, but they were just too hard and boxers today are just softer".Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Lamon Brewster, Ross Purrity and Corrie Sanders?? Are all them to big and athletic for the men of the 70's too??
i know everyone pretty much hates David Haye, but for me he isthe only way in the nex 5 - 10 years get some interest back in the heavyweight devision for the boxing world, ( and im not a haye lover or hater)these fighters need to resolve there prblems and sign on the dotted line!!
sorry ive been awy so long guys in the marines now, but always come on to read, ill try get back involved
Well first off thanks for your service.Quote:
Originally Posted by gally
Secondly I don't think the division is any better or worse than the one Lennox Lewis reigned because you've got Wlad and Vitali who are so dominant right now it's almost impossible to think any of the current contenders could even trouble them and then you've got contenders some too old, some too young, some just not talented enough.
The good news for US fans is that we're starting to develop some prospects and we can only hope they turn out: Deontay Wilder, Joe Hanks, Seth Mitchell (I think it's Mitchell, but either way I hear he's good) those guys are big, they are being moved along a little slow, but I think they'll start to grab some headlines before too long...I think their best bet is to wait out the reign of the Klitschko's though because those guys don't look like they are slowing down.
Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisDee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
He looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisDee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
At the very best he's Lennox Lewis and the worst he's Malcom Tann...that's the range I give him so there could be a spot between Riddick Bowe and Julius Long he could occupy and IMO it wouldn't be a total waste. This division needs stepping stones like any other.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuHe looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisDee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
As big and as lanky as the guy is I think you're right he needs to move slow because I don't feel like the lankier fighters develop great hand eye coordination as fast as the smaller fighters. Plus he's been fighting in the south up til now so I think he needs to move his base to LA, Vegas, New York, Atlatic City to really develop.
I've heard Seth Mitchel is more polished, but I haven't seen the guy
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Who are they? Other than Haye, I can't find any. :confused:
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Originally Posted by El KabongAt the very best he's Lennox Lewis and the worst he's Malcom Tann...that's the range I give him so there could be a spot between Riddick Bowe and Julius Long he could occupy and IMO it wouldn't be a total waste. This division needs stepping stones like any other.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuHe looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisDee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
As big and as lanky as the guy is I think you're right he needs to move slow because I don't feel like the lankier fighters develop great hand eye coordination as fast as the smaller fighters. Plus he's been fighting in the south up til now so I think he needs to move his base to LA, Vegas, New York, Atlatic City to really develop.
I've heard Seth Mitchel is more polished, but I haven't seen the guy
Seth is pretty good for a guy who crossed over fromm College Football (Michigan State) He is coming along pretty darn well. I must say, your ranges are quite wide. Tann to Lewis and/or Bowe to long is almost as good as THe Jewish Hammer to Tim Withersppon.
Wilder has been worked very very slow indeed if this is his kinda opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisDee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI...?v=gUlfI5VlZuY
Its got to be a wide range because #1 He's young and #2 he hasn't been tested so other than "he's very raw" you can't tell much about him. Thee's not a good judge on power yet, or chin or stamina and he hasn't fought anyone I've heard of he's just got a huge frame and only when he finally steps up will we know anything about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAt the very best he's Lennox Lewis and the worst he's Malcom Tann...that's the range I give him so there could be a spot between Riddick Bowe and Julius Long he could occupy and IMO it wouldn't be a total waste. This division needs stepping stones like any other.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuHe looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisDee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
As big and as lanky as the guy is I think you're right he needs to move slow because I don't feel like the lankier fighters develop great hand eye coordination as fast as the smaller fighters. Plus he's been fighting in the south up til now so I think he needs to move his base to LA, Vegas, New York, Atlatic City to really develop.
I've heard Seth Mitchel is more polished, but I haven't seen the guy
Seth is pretty good for a guy who crossed over fromm College Football (Michigan State) He is coming along pretty darn well. I must say, your ranges are quite wide. Tann to Lewis and/or Bowe to long is almost as good as THe Jewish Hammer to Tim Withersppon.
Not all of his opponents are Butterbean-esque...who knew Wilder had already fought "The White James Toney"???
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Originally Posted by gally
Welcome back!! ;D
I've seen Seth once on ESPN FNF's I think and I thought he too was very raw but had potential. In fact that could be a fight to watch for over the next couple of years. Wilder vs Mitchell. I never see either man being as good as a Lennox Lewis class fighter though!Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAt the very best he's Lennox Lewis and the worst he's Malcom Tann...that's the range I give him so there could be a spot between Riddick Bowe and Julius Long he could occupy and IMO it wouldn't be a total waste. This division needs stepping stones like any other.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuHe looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisDee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
As big and as lanky as the guy is I think you're right he needs to move slow because I don't feel like the lankier fighters develop great hand eye coordination as fast as the smaller fighters. Plus he's been fighting in the south up til now so I think he needs to move his base to LA, Vegas, New York, Atlatic City to really develop.
I've heard Seth Mitchel is more polished, but I haven't seen the guy
Seth is pretty good for a guy who crossed over fromm College Football (Michigan State) He is coming along pretty darn well. I must say, your ranges are quite wide. Tann to Lewis and/or Bowe to long is almost as good as THe Jewish Hammer to Tim Withersppon.
Deontay needs to swing at guys with pulses! Freakish height and thin frame combined with being marketed on power and ko numbers and a 99.5% untested chin is a recipe for disaster. They need to keep him off air and fight a toughie....If he crashes and burns it will serve him better then beating any 10 pizza delivery guys in co main events.