Why the heavyweight boxing scene is on life support?

[El Kabong]

i know everyone pretty much hates David Haye, but for me he isthe only way in the nex 5 - 10 years get some interest back in the heavyweight devision for the boxing world, ( and im not a haye lover or hater)these fighters need to resolve there prblems and sign on the dotted line!!
sorry ive been awy so long guys in the marines now, but always come on to read, ill try get back involved

Well first off thanks for your service.

Secondly I don't think the division is any better or worse than the one Lennox Lewis reigned because you've got Wlad and Vitali who are so dominant right now it's almost impossible to think any of the current contenders could even trouble them and then you've got contenders some too old, some too young, some just not talented enough.

The good news for US fans is that we're starting to develop some prospects and we can only hope they turn out: Deontay Wilder, Joe Hanks, Seth Mitchell (I think it's Mitchell, but either way I hear he's good) those guys are big, they are being moved along a little slow, but I think they'll start to grab some headlines before too long...I think their best bet is to wait out the reign of the Klitschko's though because those guys don't look like they are slowing down.

[Memphis]

Deontay Wilder

Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.

[El Kabong]

Deontay Wilder

Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.

He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.

[rjj tszyu]

Deontay Wilder

Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.

He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.

He looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.

[El Kabong]

Deontay Wilder

Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.

He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.

He looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.

At the very best he's Lennox Lewis and the worst he's Malcom Tann...that's the range I give him so there could be a spot between Riddick Bowe and Julius Long he could occupy and IMO it wouldn't be a total waste. This division needs stepping stones like any other.

As big and as lanky as the guy is I think you're right he needs to move slow because I don't feel like the lankier fighters develop great hand eye coordination as fast as the smaller fighters. Plus he's been fighting in the south up til now so I think he needs to move his base to LA, Vegas, New York, Atlatic City to really develop.

I've heard Seth Mitchel is more polished, but I haven't seen the guy

[holmcall]

Deontay Wilder

Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.

He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.

He looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.

At the very best he's Lennox Lewis and the worst he's Malcom Tann...that's the range I give him so there could be a spot between Riddick Bowe and Julius Long he could occupy and IMO it wouldn't be a total waste. This division needs stepping stones like any other.

As big and as lanky as the guy is I think you're right he needs to move slow because I don't feel like the lankier fighters develop great hand eye coordination as fast as the smaller fighters. Plus he's been fighting in the south up til now so I think he needs to move his base to LA, Vegas, New York, Atlatic City to really develop.

I've heard Seth Mitchel is more polished, but I haven't seen the guy

Seth is pretty good for a guy who crossed over fromm College Football (Michigan State) He is coming along pretty darn well. I must say, your ranges are quite wide. Tann to Lewis and/or Bowe to long is almost as good as THe Jewish Hammer to Tim Withersppon.

[El Kabong]

Deontay Wilder

Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.

He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.

He looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.

At the very best he's Lennox Lewis and the worst he's Malcom Tann...that's the range I give him so there could be a spot between Riddick Bowe and Julius Long he could occupy and IMO it wouldn't be a total waste. This division needs stepping stones like any other.

As big and as lanky as the guy is I think you're right he needs to move slow because I don't feel like the lankier fighters develop great hand eye coordination as fast as the smaller fighters. Plus he's been fighting in the south up til now so I think he needs to move his base to LA, Vegas, New York, Atlatic City to really develop.

I've heard Seth Mitchel is more polished, but I haven't seen the guy

Seth is pretty good for a guy who crossed over fromm College Football (Michigan State) He is coming along pretty darn well. I must say, your ranges are quite wide. Tann to Lewis and/or Bowe to long is almost as good as THe Jewish Hammer to Tim Withersppon.

Its got to be a wide range because #1 He's young and #2 he hasn't been tested so other than "he's very raw" you can't tell much about him. Thee's not a good judge on power yet, or chin or stamina and he hasn't fought anyone I've heard of he's just got a huge frame and only when he finally steps up will we know anything about him.

Not all of his opponents are Butterbean-esque...who knew Wilder had already fought "The White James Toney"

[rjj tszyu]

Deontay Wilder

Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.

He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.

He looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.

At the very best he's Lennox Lewis and the worst he's Malcom Tann...that's the range I give him so there could be a spot between Riddick Bowe and Julius Long he could occupy and IMO it wouldn't be a total waste. This division needs stepping stones like any other.

As big and as lanky as the guy is I think you're right he needs to move slow because I don't feel like the lankier fighters develop great hand eye coordination as fast as the smaller fighters. Plus he's been fighting in the south up til now so I think he needs to move his base to LA, Vegas, New York, Atlatic City to really develop.

I've heard Seth Mitchel is more polished, but I haven't seen the guy

Seth is pretty good for a guy who crossed over fromm College Football (Michigan State) He is coming along pretty darn well. I must say, your ranges are quite wide. Tann to Lewis and/or Bowe to long is almost as good as THe Jewish Hammer to Tim Withersppon.

I've seen Seth once on ESPN FNF's I think and I thought he too was very raw but had potential. In fact that could be a fight to watch for over the next couple of years. Wilder vs Mitchell. I never see either man being as good as a Lennox Lewis class fighter though!

[TheMacMagician]

Deontay Wilder

Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.

He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.

Wilder has been worked very very slow indeed if this is his kinda opposition.

[holmcall]

Deontay Wilder

Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.

He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.

Wilder has been worked very very slow indeed if this is his kinda opposition.

That slob he fought is 4-4 and all fights have ended by stoppage. He has fought as high as 421. Holy shite.

[Andre]

Deontay Wilder

Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.

He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.

Wilder has been worked very very slow indeed if this is his kinda opposition.

That slob he fought is 4-4 and all fights have ended by stoppage. He has fought as high as 421. Holy shite.

All the Kings horses and all the Kings men....

[holmcall]

The obesity is sickening.