Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
My issue with this is not that Floyd is fighting Ortiz but the timing of the announcement for the fight. He did this by revealing his fight with Juan Manuel Marquez the day before the Pacquiao-Hatton fight. The question that was brought up then (and I'm sure will be brought up again) was why he didn't wait for the conclusion of the Pacquiao fights and then fight Pac. Oh, the Ortiz bout is supposed to be a tune-up fight, just like the JMM fight. How many tune-up fights is he planning to do?
Ha that is a very good point.
Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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Bilbo
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Nameless
One thing for sure: I could hardly get excited by the idea of that fight.
Why not? It's a great matchup and Ortiz is one of the most exciting fighters around.
Do you believe in the invincibility of Floyd Mayweather or something? He's only fought twice in 3 years and would have been 18 months out of the ring by the time that fight took place.
Unless you assume he's some kind of super human and judge him differently from all other fighters how could you possibly make the case that this is an unintersting routine comeback fight for him?
If he comes back after 18 months and goes straight to fighting Ortiz that would be a big risk.
I don't think he's a super human being and I absolutely do not contest the excitement Ortiz brings to the ring. However, Ortiz, despite his excitement, is miles behind Mayweather in matter of skills and speed and he doesn't have enough power, in my opinion, to seriously hurt Floyd. I see it as a 12 rounds boring UD for Floyd no matter what, perhaps I am too severe but it is really my impression.
Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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miles
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
My issue with this is not that Floyd is fighting Ortiz but the timing of the announcement for the fight. He did this by revealing his fight with Juan Manuel Marquez the day before the Pacquiao-Hatton fight. The question that was brought up then (and I'm sure will be brought up again) was why he didn't wait for the conclusion of the Pacquiao fights and then fight Pac. Oh, the Ortiz bout is supposed to be a tune-up fight, just like the JMM fight. How many tune-up fights is he planning to do?
Exactly, he should be fighting Manny. Ortiz is more than a tune up, but nobody is demanding it.
Agreed, the is only one fight out there for Floyd.
Once again Floyd helping his bank balance out with another easy win.
Ortiz is a good fighter, but thats all he is. He doesnt have enough to de-throne Floyd and take his 0.
Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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Originally Posted by
Nameless
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
Nameless
One thing for sure: I could hardly get excited by the idea of that fight.
Why not? It's a great matchup and Ortiz is one of the most exciting fighters around.
Do you believe in the invincibility of Floyd Mayweather or something? He's only fought twice in 3 years and would have been 18 months out of the ring by the time that fight took place.
Unless you assume he's some kind of super human and judge him differently from all other fighters how could you possibly make the case that this is an unintersting routine comeback fight for him?
If he comes back after 18 months and goes straight to fighting Ortiz that would be a big risk.
I don't think he's a super human being and I absolutely do not contest the excitement Ortiz brings to the ring. However, Ortiz, despite his excitement, is miles behind Mayweather in matter of skills and speed and he doesn't have enough power, in my opinion, to seriously hurt Floyd. I see it as a 12 rounds boring UD for Floyd no matter what, perhaps I am too severe but it is really my impression.
Ortiz has huge power! Even in his loss to Maidana he put him down two or three times and hes stopped virtually everyone in his career. He put Berto down at least twice, arguably and he floored Peterson as well.
Skillwise he has outboxed everyone he has foiught. You could question his heart following the Maidana loss but he's proven himself against Berto now imo.
Floyd wont have fought in 18 months by September. If he's going to fight Manny I'd want him to have at least one tough fight coming preparation for Manny Pacquiao.
Id love to see him fight Ortiz if it happens, cracking matchup.
Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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Originally Posted by
miles
It's a decent enough pairing, but Ortiz has only just made his mark. I would like to see him build his career more really. Mayweather should really be thinking about fighting nobody except the winner of the big fight this weekend.
So if by some miracle, the older, past his prime Mosley beats Pacman, Floyd should fight him again?
lol, wow. I'm a big fan of Ortiz right now but, if this fight were true, it's a super cake walk for Floyd. Ortiz brought heart, but he is no boxer. Floyd will pick him apart and counter every left hand Ortiz throws.
Not even remotely interested in that fight.
Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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porkypara
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mafiajoey
Don't jump down my back for assuming Box Rec always has the facts straight. But......they do have Floyd and Victor fighting on the 17th in Cowboys Stadium. Please tell me why Cowboys Stadium? Isn't this Arum's turf? And Victor and Floyd aren't connected or going to do favors for Arum. Anyone have any ideas?
Floyd will be lucky to sell 20000 tickets and the stadium will be look empty.
Floyds fights only sell well when he is faceing a well known big name.
Baldomir isn't a well known name and that fight sold fine, Marquez barely sold 4,000 tickets for his fight with Katsidis and his fight with Mayweather sold out, so don't come with that little golden line of bullshit
Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
Ortiz was on the Kansas City Royals pregame last week. He was alot of fun on the show and I hope he does get a big payday.
Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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carpetrepairhouston
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Originally Posted by
miles
It's a decent enough pairing, but Ortiz has only just made his mark. I would like to see him build his career more really. Mayweather should really be thinking about fighting nobody except the winner of the big fight this weekend.
So if by some miracle, the older, past his prime Mosley beats Pacman, Floyd should fight him again?
lol, wow. I'm a big fan of Ortiz right now but, if this fight were true, it's a super cake walk for Floyd. Ortiz brought heart, but he is no boxer. Floyd will pick him apart and counter every left hand Ortiz throws.
Not even remotely interested in that fight.
If Mosley does that then I guess he has staked his claim again. The last fight left little to suggest that Mosley has the style to do anything against Floyd though.
I can't see Ortiz doing much against Floyd either. He has no jab and is prime for Floyds flush counters. It would likely be one sided and might even see Ortiz get stopped.
Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
I think this is all to do about nothing. Every great win a fighter has doesn't mean he's ready to fight floyd. People are so starved to see someone beat floyd that we can make a case for anyone doing it. Hell with the 24/7 floyd himself was even trying to help with convincing people he'd loose. Five minutes ago most were damn near saying ortiz should hang it up . Now he can beat floyd ? I guess peterson could too since he damn near beat ortiz recently. It's funny how with boxing fans that one loss makes you garbage but one win makes you damn near the greatest of all time. Bottom line, if peterson and maidana can find a way to beat ortiz, floyd sure a shit could probably in his sleep.
Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
If this fight comes off then I really don't see this being a very difficult fight for Mayweather. He thrives on aggressive fighters coming at him so he can counter. Ortiz is too green still.
Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
I dont have a problem with this fight. People were on about Pac man should be fighting Berto instead of Mosley. Ortiz just beat Berto in a great fight, and if the fight comes off, Floyd gets stick.
Would be a good warm up fight Ortiz is big and strong with a decent punch and is a southpaw like Manny.
Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
This Ortiz purported fight is all but a temperature check.... IMO.
A second one... if counting the Spadafora check as first... There is a danger to this tho, for if this nonesense of a fight somehow find a way to buy wheels, then the "little rascal" will have earned again himself millions without a sweat, courtesy of the smoke buying public, which also effectively and cunningly sidesteps the real fight that has public clamor. We all know what that fight is, and it's not the one against Spadafora!
Interesting note tho', Uncle Jeff Mayweather just recently stated in a write-up this week that boxing nowadays is the furthest from his nephew's mind...
Another one of those "Mayweather" gospel truths I guess... the kind that runs contrary with reality all the time.
Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
I dont get how most people thought that Berto was better for Pac than Mosley, but to some the thought of Mayweather fighting the man who beat Berto is terrible.
Also i've no idea about the authenticity of it but a quick google search suggests Roger Mayweather say's Floyd has a 'deal' with the Cowboy's stadiums owner.
Mayweather Targets Miguel Cotto, Victor Ortiz for Tune-Up Fight ...
Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
I think it would be a fun fight to watch actually. I think Floyd would win, but i expect Ortiz to keep coming after him. So when the hell does Floyd plan on fighting Manny, Summer of 2012???? Let's get it on already!!
Re: Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz on Sept. 17, 2011. What do you make of this?
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Originally Posted by
KananKrus
This Ortiz purported fight is all but a temperature check.... IMO.
A second one... if counting the Spadafora check as first... There is a danger to this tho, for if this nonesense of a fight somehow find a way to buy wheels, then the "little rascal" will have earned again himself millions without a sweat, courtesy of the smoke buying public, which also effectively and cunningly sidesteps the real fight that has public clamor. We all know what that fight is, and it's not the one against Spadafora!
Interesting note tho', Uncle Jeff Mayweather just recently stated in a write-up this week that boxing nowadays is the furthest from his nephew's mind...
Another one of those "Mayweather" gospel truths I guess... the kind that runs contrary with reality all the time.
that is one of my worries though. if people start buying this one as a floyd tune-up for the big one and it does well financially, i have this creeping feeling we'll hear another retirement announcement from him afterwards.
