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So what your saying is once the ref starts the bout, he's no longer needed again until the end of the round, when it's his job to stop it? So he can go play cards with one of the commentators for a couple of minutes during and in between rounds??Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken Monkey
Of f'n course when fighters are told to fight, they are responsible for themselves.. Did anyone including Dana say anything different? Why does everyone who hears Cortez being criticized for this fight, automatically think it's just someone who wanted Ortiz to win and feels Cortez lost it for him..... Ortiz lost it for himself. Dana even said that.
It's all the rest of Cortez's in-competencies in question here.. The ref has more of a job to do than just call time in and out...
I didn't watch. Most people dont like Dana because he represents the UFC.
Dana is a great promoter and has done outstanding things for MMA.He is loud and crass but the guy can walk the walk and always has.
If Dana in this case is jawing about Floyd demanding olympic style drug testing and why then I whole heartedly disagree with him. Boxers are independent contractors who fight on a contract by contract basis. They dont fight for an organization like the UFC they are left on their own to protect their own interests.
If fighters can stipulate glove styles and ring sizes in a contract, than I see nothing wrong with enhanced drug testing. If we learned anything from Balco, its pretty obvious that steroids and performance enhancements are far removed from the Schwartzenegger days of the 70's and 80's. so a whizz quiz isint going to cut it anymore and has been outdated for atleast 15 plus years. With a whizz quiz you are going to catch the small fish of the boxing world who dont have the resources for the big time stuff and the specialist to map out the schedule and formulate for their specific body. For the big time guys who have the resources a whizz quiz is like trying to catch a sword fish with a bass rod.
I am pretty leery of a fighter who wont get blood drawn for the biggest fight and legacy along with over 50 million dollars a piece.
Unfortunately I feel the same way.... The mess between Pac and Mayweather, the two biggest names in boxing right now, makes a mockery of any plans to keep this sport thriving on into the future... When this nonsense can literally go on for years and years and they still may never fight... If boxing can't get itself together and put on this number 1 fight that fans what to see, it's difficult to argue with people who say it's a dieing sport and every day growing more irrelevant...Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Not saying it is... But the fans come a long long long second place when other sports like UFC aim to offer fans all they could want plus more..
Dizaster,
Its also crazy because Mayweather is taking the exact same tests he has asked Pac too.
Pac isint conceding anything. matter of fact it's in a sense a silent way to prove he isint on the juice
I don't think Pacquiao can win at this point (re: the testing, not the fight; though I don't think he can win that either). If he caves in to Floyd's demands, it's going to look like a defeat and people are just going to assume that, since he initially refused, he just needed to time get the dope out of his system. It sucks, but the only course of action for Pacquiao is to continue refusing the tests, even if he's clean.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
It's shitty for Floyd too, because I think - legacy-wise - he needs Pacquiao a lot more than Pacquiao needs him, which is unfortunate because PBF is one of the most skilled boxers in the history of the sport.
Dana White is the destroyer of UFC and good match ups.
Now UFC is all inexperienced youths in there fighting for peanuts. the cards look abysmal anymore, and ive not ordered them for a long time. It used to be MMA experts every fight, every card!
now its pure shit. I used to be a huge UFC fan too! no one wants to see a bunch of young no names every damn fight.
Now I watch Strikeforce, which kills UFC. Pride was the best MMA ever though!
But I do agree with douchebag Dana on mayweather demanding special testing.
EVERYONE KNOWS, Gayweather is just scared shitless of mannys power & aggressiveness, and will use any excuse to keep it form going down, despite the money & legacy it could gain him!!!! can u say chickenshit?
I will use my one alloted line of text to point out that you yourself used two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Pacquiao had already conceded. I'm surprised that you're not aware of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
He agreed to the drug test with the 14 days cut-off period that was demanded by Floyd in the first negotiation. But what did Floyd do, he went on vacation rather than fight Manny just to come back a few months later to fight Ortiz.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8698753.stm
http://www.ballerstatus.com/2010/05/...-to-fight-now/
http://hometestingblog.testcountry.com/?p=8214
Now, Manny finally agrees to the random unlimited drug test.
Manny Pacquiao Agrees to Full Random Blood Testing | Boxing Asylum – News
Pacquiao Agrees to Unlimited Random Blood Testing | Pacquiao vs Marquez
Manny Pacquiao Agrees to Random Blood Test, If Mayweather Agrees to Fight | Full Court Pumps
Pacquiao Agrees to have a Random Blood Testing ~ Boxing Schedule
Pacquiao okays unlimited random testing | The Manila Bulletin Newspaper Online
After Pacquiao beats Marquez, let's see what Mayweather's excuse will be.
If Pacquiao loses his fight with Mayweather (if ever they do have one), then the critics would then say that this proves that Manny was on PEDS before because he lost after getting it out of his system.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI don't think Pacquiao can win at this point (re: the testing, not the fight; though I don't think he can win that either). If he caves in to Floyd's demands, it's going to look like a defeat and people are just going to assume that, since he initially refused, he just needed to time get the dope out of his system. It sucks, but the only course of action for Pacquiao is to continue refusing the tests, even if he's clean.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
It's shitty for Floyd too, because I think - legacy-wise - he needs Pacquiao a lot more than Pacquiao needs him, which is unfortunate because PBF is one of the most skilled boxers in the history of the sport.
But if Manny was using PEDS before, why would he then take the risk of fighting one of the best in his generation without the PEDS? Surely Pac should be aware that he can't win against Floyd without the PEDS (if he was on it before). It just doesn't make sense.
Logical conclusion: Pacquiao was never on PEDS and he knows he can beat Mayweather.
I find the fact that you are talking about head butting your own Grandmother whilst managing to completely neglect to mention Ortiz's repeated, deliberate, ILLEGAL head butts painfully ironic and your stance on MMA to have possessing a level of ignorance that I honestly could not have seen you ever reaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesYou ask people to follow your antics and then pay a lot of money? You finish a fight properly. Floyd was bang out of order and it astonishes me how people are defending him. It shows our societies are full of sick fucks who would head butt their own grandmothers for a free takeaway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken Monkey
"A cheap shot, so what? Cortez the retard baldy clapped his hands."
The fact that he was once again in a big Mayweather bout should answer all questions. He fucked over Hatton too.
Hatton fucked Hatton... and Ortiz fucked Ortiz, that simple... we can say Cortez this and Cortez that, but he's not the one trading punches... What Floyd did was legal and whilst it was a disappointing end to the fight, if you're going to point a finger at anybody then point it at Ortiz for relying on the referee and for NOT DEFENDING HIMSELF.
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Originally Posted by #1FightFan
If Mayweather had the boxing IQ or Margarito then maybe he would be scared. Do you honestly think that Pac will be given much of a target? He's not a barely mobile target, he has an almost absolute mastery of timing, range, angles, movement and thinking 5-6 moves ahead.
Plenty of fighters have power and aggressiveness... doesn't mean that they are shit though... Manny will have to bring a lot more than that to conquer Floyd and frankly - he doesn't... maybe he can outfight Floyd - but he would have to be allowed to do so.
He needed to know one thing - Mayweather doesn't fuck about... he is all business. If you're going to try and dog him and rough him up with your head (as if he isn't a vastly more experienced pro than you) then don't expect him to be any less curtious when it comes to teaching you how the pro game works.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesNobody has done that ever. Who does their homework for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken MonkeyIt's laughable that people blame Mayweather more than Ortiz. The head butt was a cheap shot. And if Ortiz had done his homework, he would have expected Mayweather to come out swinging after they touched gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesYou ask people to follow your antics and then pay a lot of money? You finish a fight properly. Floyd was bang out of order and it astonishes me how people are defending him. It shows our societies are full of sick fucks who would headbutt their own grandmothers for a free takeaway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken Monkey
"A cheap shot, so what? Cortez the retard baldy clapped his hands."
The fact that he was once again in a big Mayweather bout should answer all questions. He fucked over Hatton too.
Floyd did nothing wrong.
You are nuts.
So if any boxer gets Floyd to turn his head, then cold cocks him and ko's him, it's a fair move. Gatti made the mistake of looking at the ref when the ref shouted something, to both boxers. To all future Floyd opponents, do not look at the ref unless you are way across the ring away from Floyd.
Yeah... If he is in punching range during the action then look at him!
Wow, we've just found the blue print to beat floyd.