Dana White on Mayweather Ortiz / Mayweather Pacquiao

[JT Rock]

I didn't watch. Most people dont like Dana because he represents the UFC.

Dana is a great promoter and has done outstanding things for MMA.He is loud and crass but the guy can walk the walk and always has.

If Dana in this case is jawing about Floyd demanding olympic style drug testing and why then I whole heartedly disagree with him. Boxers are independent contractors who fight on a contract by contract basis. They dont fight for an organization like the UFC they are left on their own to protect their own interests.

If fighters can stipulate glove styles and ring sizes in a contract, than I see nothing wrong with enhanced drug testing. If we learned anything from Balco, its pretty obvious that steroids and performance enhancements are far removed from the Schwartzenegger days of the 70's and 80's. so a whizz quiz isint going to cut it anymore and has been outdated for atleast 15 plus years. With a whizz quiz you are going to catch the small fish of the boxing world who dont have the resources for the big time stuff and the specialist to map out the schedule and formulate for their specific body. For the big time guys who have the resources a whizz quiz is like trying to catch a sword fish with a bass rod.

I am pretty leery of a fighter who wont get blood drawn for the biggest fight and legacy along with over 50 million dollars a piece.

[Dizaster]

I didn't watch. Most people dont like Dana because he represents the UFC.

Dana is a great promoter and has done outstanding things for MMA.He is loud and crass but the guy can walk the walk and always has.

If Dana in this case is jawing about Floyd demanding olympic style drug testing and why then I whole heartedly disagree with him. Boxers are independent contractors who fight on a contract by contract basis. They dont fight for an organization like the UFC they are left on their own to protect their own interests.

If fighters can stipulate glove styles and ring sizes in a contract, than I see nothing wrong with enhanced drug testing. If we learned anything from Balco, its pretty obvious that steroids and performance enhancements are far removed from the Schwartzenegger days of the 70's and 80's. so a whizz quiz isint going to cut it anymore and has been outdated for atleast 15 plus years. With a whizz quiz you are going to catch the small fish of the boxing world who dont have the resources for the big time stuff and the specialist to map out the schedule and formulate for their specific body. For the big time guys who have the resources a whizz quiz is like trying to catch a sword fish with a bass rod.

I am pretty leery of a fighter who wont get blood drawn for the biggest fight and legacy along with over 50 million dollars a piece.

Unfortunately I feel the same way.... The mess between Pac and Mayweather, the two biggest names in boxing right now, makes a mockery of any plans to keep this sport thriving on into the future... When this nonsense can literally go on for years and years and they still may never fight... If boxing can't get itself together and put on this number 1 fight that fans what to see, it's difficult to argue with people who say it's a dieing sport and every day growing more irrelevant...
Not saying it is... But the fans come a long long long second place when other sports like UFC aim to offer fans all they could want plus more..

[JT Rock]

Dizaster,

Its also crazy because Mayweather is taking the exact same tests he has asked Pac too.

Pac isint conceding anything. matter of fact it's in a sense a silent way to prove he isint on the juice

[CFH]

Dizaster,

Its also crazy because Mayweather is taking the exact same tests he has asked Pac too.

Pac isint conceding anything. matter of fact it's in a sense a silent way to prove he isint on the juice

I don't think Pacquiao can win at this point (re: the testing, not the fight; though I don't think he can win that either). If he caves in to Floyd's demands, it's going to look like a defeat and people are just going to assume that, since he initially refused, he just needed to time get the dope out of his system. It sucks, but the only course of action for Pacquiao is to continue refusing the tests, even if he's clean.

It's shitty for Floyd too, because I think - legacy-wise - he needs Pacquiao a lot more than Pacquiao needs him, which is unfortunate because PBF is one of the most skilled boxers in the history of the sport.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Dizaster,

Its also crazy because Mayweather is taking the exact same tests he has asked Pac too.

Pac isint conceding anything. matter of fact it's in a sense a silent way to prove he isint on the juice

I don't think Pacquiao can win at this point (re: the testing, not the fight; though I don't think he can win that either). If he caves in to Floyd's demands, it's going to look like a defeat and people are just going to assume that, since he initially refused, he just needed to time get the dope out of his system. It sucks, but the only course of action for Pacquiao is to continue refusing the tests, even if he's clean.

It's shitty for Floyd too, because I think - legacy-wise - he needs Pacquiao a lot more than Pacquiao needs him, which is unfortunate because PBF is one of the most skilled boxers in the history of the sport.

If Pacquiao loses his fight with Mayweather (if ever they do have one), then the critics would then say that this proves that Manny was on PEDS before because he lost after getting it out of his system.

But if Manny was using PEDS before, why would he then take the risk of fighting one of the best in his generation without the PEDS? Surely Pac should be aware that he can't win against Floyd without the PEDS (if he was on it before). It just doesn't make sense.

Logical conclusion: Pacquiao was never on PEDS and he knows he can beat Mayweather.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Dizaster,

Its also crazy because Mayweather is taking the exact same tests he has asked Pac too.

Pac isint conceding anything. matter of fact it's in a sense a silent way to prove he isint on the juice

Pacquiao had already conceded. I'm surprised that you're not aware of this.

He agreed to the drug test with the 14 days cut-off period that was demanded by Floyd in the first negotiation. But what did Floyd do, he went on vacation rather than fight Manny just to come back a few months later to fight Ortiz.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8698753.stm

http://www.ballerstatus.com/2010/05/...-to-fight-now/

http://hometestingblog.testcountry.com/?p=8214

Now, Manny finally agrees to the random unlimited drug test.

Manny Pacquiao Agrees to Full Random Blood Testing | Boxing Asylum – News

Pacquiao Agrees to Unlimited Random Blood Testing | Pacquiao vs Marquez

Manny Pacquiao Agrees to Random Blood Test, If Mayweather Agrees to Fight | Full Court Pumps

Pacquiao Agrees to have a Random Blood Testing ~ Boxing Schedule

Pacquiao okays unlimited random testing | The Manila Bulletin Newspaper Online

After Pacquiao beats Marquez, let's see what Mayweather's excuse will be.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I didn't watch. Most people dont like Dana because he represents the UFC.

Dana is a great promoter and has done outstanding things for MMA.He is loud and crass but the guy can walk the walk and always has.

If Dana in this case is jawing about Floyd demanding olympic style drug testing and why then I whole heartedly disagree with him. Boxers are independent contractors who fight on a contract by contract basis. They dont fight for an organization like the UFC they are left on their own to protect their own interests.

If fighters can stipulate glove styles and ring sizes in a contract, than I see nothing wrong with enhanced drug testing. If we learned anything from Balco, its pretty obvious that steroids and performance enhancements are far removed from the Schwartzenegger days of the 70's and 80's. so a whizz quiz isint going to cut it anymore and has been outdated for atleast 15 plus years. With a whizz quiz you are going to catch the small fish of the boxing world who dont have the resources for the big time stuff and the specialist to map out the schedule and formulate for their specific body. For the big time guys who have the resources a whizz quiz is like trying to catch a sword fish with a bass rod.

I am pretty leery of a fighter who wont get blood drawn for the biggest fight and legacy along with over 50 million dollars a piece.

Unfortunately I feel the same way.... The mess between Pac and Mayweather, the two biggest names in boxing right now, makes a mockery of any plans to keep this sport thriving on into the future... When this nonsense can literally go on for years and years and they still may never fight... If boxing can't get itself together and put on this number 1 fight that fans what to see, it's difficult to argue with people who say it's a dieing sport and every day growing more irrelevant...
Not saying it is... But the fans come a long long long second place when other sports like UFC aim to offer fans all they could want plus more..

Diz where are you. Happy birthday man!

[beenKOed]

I didn't watch. Most people dont like Dana because he represents the UFC.

Dana is a great promoter and has done outstanding things for MMA.He is loud and crass but the guy can walk the walk and always has.

If Dana in this case is jawing about Floyd demanding olympic style drug testing and why then I whole heartedly disagree with him. Boxers are independent contractors who fight on a contract by contract basis. They dont fight for an organization like the UFC they are left on their own to protect their own interests.

If fighters can stipulate glove styles and ring sizes in a contract, than I see nothing wrong with enhanced drug testing. If we learned anything from Balco, its pretty obvious that steroids and performance enhancements are far removed from the Schwartzenegger days of the 70's and 80's. so a whizz quiz isint going to cut it anymore and has been outdated for atleast 15 plus years. With a whizz quiz you are going to catch the small fish of the boxing world who dont have the resources for the big time stuff and the specialist to map out the schedule and formulate for their specific body. For the big time guys who have the resources a whizz quiz is like trying to catch a sword fish with a bass rod.

I am pretty leery of a fighter who wont get blood drawn for the biggest fight and legacy along with over 50 million dollars a piece.

Unfortunately I feel the same way.... The mess between Pac and Mayweather, the two biggest names in boxing right now, makes a mockery of any plans to keep this sport thriving on into the future... When this nonsense can literally go on for years and years and they still may never fight... If boxing can't get itself together and put on this number 1 fight that fans what to see, it's difficult to argue with people who say it's a dieing sport and every day growing more irrelevant...
Not saying it is... But the fans come a long long long second place when other sports like UFC aim to offer fans all they could want plus more..

Diz where are you. Happy birthday man!

Whenever I think about Floyd and Paquiao and the huge, colossal, fantastic, mega payday they let get away I laugh and laugh.
Floyd thinks of himself as Mr Slick and Manny wants us to believe he just wants to give the fans a good fight, but they couldn't get together to make millions and give the fans what they wanted. BULLSHIT!

I like Dana White too, and he has done a fantastic job with the UFC, possibly the only person who could have gotten it done, but I don't trust him.
Remember when White said, "The WEC is dead, I killed it." He claims to love boxing and says there is room for both, but I doubt his honesty.
That's all I'm going to say except this. The UFC is like a huge snowball rolling down a hill, collecting things. Who knows what or who it might pick up, eventually?