Re: It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?
Miron needs to stop smoking the ganja, "the even rounds MUST go to Pacquiao cause he's the champion" complete bullshit lol
Re: It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?
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ElTerribleMorales
Miron needs to stop smoking the ganja, "the even rounds MUST go to Pacquiao cause he's the champion" complete bullshit lol
and the aggressor ;D
ive been hearing this since i was little.
"The Chalenger should beat the champion convincingly"
My DL is 38% cant wait :) and yeah i miss the Ganja :D
Re: It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?
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miron_lang
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ElTerribleMorales
Miron needs to stop smoking the ganja, "the even rounds MUST go to Pacquiao cause he's the champion" complete bullshit lol
and the aggressor ;D
ive been hearing this since i was little.
"The Chalenger should beat the champion convincingly"
My DL is 38% cant wait :) and yeah i miss the Ganja :D
boxing is scored on clean effective punching, which Marquez did all night, even more so than Pacquiao, the challenger went beyond what he had to to "beat" the champion convincingly, fuck me if now to beat the "champion" you have to clean his fucking clock
Re: It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?
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ElTerribleMorales
boxing is scored on clean effective punching, which Marquez did all night, even more so than Pacquiao, the challenger went beyond what he had to to "beat" the champion convincingly, fuck me if now to beat the "champion" you have to clean his fucking clock
I am not talking about Pac-JMM 3. but the usual judging of today.
10-10 is discouraged and judges are encouraged to have a winner in each round.
sample were Tarver-JonesJr I
Tarver's rounds were clear but there were many close rounds that went to Roy. That's why the crowd booed.
IF JMM CLEALRLY WON 7 rounds as in crystal clear then you have an argument for robbery but even if you have 8 or 9 'closely contested' rounds for JMM then its not a robbery but a close fight.
Did you score 7 CLEAR rounds for JMM? this is a legit question.
Re: It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?
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miron_lang
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ElTerribleMorales
boxing is scored on clean effective punching, which Marquez did all night, even more so than Pacquiao, the challenger went beyond what he had to to "beat" the champion convincingly, fuck me if now to beat the "champion" you have to clean his fucking clock
I am not talking about Pac-JMM 3. but the usual judging of today.
10-10 is discouraged and judges are encouraged to have a winner in each round.
sample were Tarver-JonesJr I
Tarver's rounds were clear but there were many close rounds that went to Roy. That's why the crowd booed.
IF JMM CLEALRLY WON 7 rounds as in crystal clear then you have an argument for robbery but even if you have 8 or 9 'closely contested' rounds for JMM then its not a robbery but a close fight.
Did you score 7 CLEAR rounds for JMM? this is a legit question.
i had Marquez winning 8 rounds to 4
Re: It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
boxing is scored on clean effective punching, which Marquez did all night, even more so than Pacquiao, the challenger went beyond what he had to to "beat" the champion convincingly, fuck me if now to beat the "champion" you have to clean his fucking clock
I am not talking about Pac-JMM 3. but the usual judging of today.
10-10 is discouraged and judges are encouraged to have a winner in each round.
sample were Tarver-JonesJr I
Tarver's rounds were clear but there were many close rounds that went to Roy. That's why the crowd booed.
IF JMM CLEALRLY WON 7 rounds as in crystal clear then you have an argument for robbery but even if you have 8 or 9 'closely contested' rounds for JMM then its not a robbery but a close fight.
Did you score 7 CLEAR rounds for JMM? this is a legit question.
i had Marquez winning 8 rounds to 4
Just shows how different you see the fight than did the judges.
Re: It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?
It seems Marquez winning 8-4 is the general consensus from what I have been reading. I had it that and had it the same on rewatching.
Anyone thinking Manny won the fight is in cloud cuckoo land. It isn't trivial to argue that something very serious and wrong happened with the verdict that was given.
Miron Lang shouldn't be making excuses for this. Rounds are scored as they are, it is irrelevant who the champion is. A champion should not be receiving a free pass and especially when he is being outboxed for the vast bulk of the fight.
Re: It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?
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miles
It seems Marquez winning 8-4 is the general consensus from what I have been reading. I had it that and had it the same on rewatching.
Anyone thinking Manny won the fight is in cloud cuckoo land. It isn't trivial to argue that something very serious and wrong happened with the verdict that was given.
Miron Lang shouldn't be making excuses for this. Rounds are scored as they are, it is irrelevant who the champion is. A champion should not be receiving a free pass and especially when he is being outboxed for the vast bulk of the fight.
That is just what your looking for not what the conciseness is.
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fan johnny
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miles
It seems Marquez winning 8-4 is the general consensus from what I have been reading. I had it that and had it the same on rewatching.
Anyone thinking Manny won the fight is in cloud cuckoo land. It isn't trivial to argue that something very serious and wrong happened with the verdict that was given.
Miron Lang shouldn't be making excuses for this. Rounds are scored as they are, it is irrelevant who the champion is. A champion should not be receiving a free pass and especially when he is being outboxed for the vast bulk of the fight.
That is just what your looking for not what the conciseness is.
No, that is evaluating the fight on a round by round basis. I gave Manny 4 rounds because I think he won them.
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miles
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fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
miles
It seems Marquez winning 8-4 is the general consensus from what I have been reading. I had it that and had it the same on rewatching.
Anyone thinking Manny won the fight is in cloud cuckoo land. It isn't trivial to argue that something very serious and wrong happened with the verdict that was given.
Miron Lang shouldn't be making excuses for this. Rounds are scored as they are, it is irrelevant who the champion is. A champion should not be receiving a free pass and especially when he is being outboxed for the vast bulk of the fight.
That is just what your looking for not what the conciseness is.
No, that is evaluating the fight on a round by round basis. I gave Manny 4 rounds because I think he won them.
Manny Pacquiao v Juan Manuel Marquez: round-by-round verdict - Telegraph
Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez Scorecard & Round by Round Winner, Christian News
This is the first two links I pulled off google "pacquiao vs marquez round by round" Now if I were looking for "marquez robbed round by round" I could come up with your conciseness and I's sure if I kept going more links would favor marquez but there is certainly no conciseness here. There was no schooling by either fighter. It was another close fight due to the lack of activity by both fighters and it could have been called either way.
Now, I know you know this so don't take this as an insult but I understand the way the fight is scored is using the 10 point must system. i.e. 10 points is awarded to the winner of the round and 9 to the loser not including knockdowns, blowouts or penalties. But you are allowed to score 10-10 if there is no clear winner and I also understand this is discouraged to prevent draws. Thus when you have a close fight like this boring ass fight (for a Pacquiao fight) the more aggressive fighter tends to get more rounds. Now I can't see the compubox number being off here because the of punches thrown is easy to track in this fight. So unless you can show me that my view was different than yours, This was nothing more than a close fight and no clear winner beyond what the judges scored.
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miron_lang
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120-115 with competent judges not for the actual fight, but for your hypothetical fight where Marquez dominates 5 rounds and the other 7 are even. I did read your post well, and I do agree that a lot of judges take the "tie goes to the champion" option, but that's why I specified that if there were competent judges, then in your scenario, Marquez should win comfortably.
But I wasn't suggesting that was how the actual fight should have been scored.
reading all the posts from this board its quite obvious that judges did score it that way. Two fighters fought evenly but some of the judges gave it to the agressor or the champion.
In the eye of the fans the counter puncher won convincingly because his rounds were very clear while the champs were not.
Its not a perfect way of scoring it. but judges can score it that way.
so yeah 120-115 if judges scores it a 10-10 on close rounds but that its not happening and is discouraged. Judges are encouraged to have a winner in each round. and in my hypothetical case the champion usually gets it 115-113.
Talking about two different things, though, in a couple of places. First, what does happen, vs. What should happen. The champ shouldn't get a 7-point edge for fighting 7 even rounds. Do some judges score it that way? Yeah, I agree that they do, but not only is it poor judging, there's no basis for it in the rules.
Secondly, when you say give it to "the aggressor or the champion," that's actually an important distinction; favoring the aggressor in a round is a legitimate element of scoring a fight (and a subjective one, as far as how much weight to accord it). Favoring the champion, though, unlike favoring the aggressor, is not a legitimate element of deciding a ballot. See earlier post for relevant excerpt from Nevada State Athletic Commission rules re:scoring.
Re: It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?
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miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Miron needs to stop smoking the ganja, "the even rounds MUST go to Pacquiao cause he's the champion" complete bullshit lol
and the aggressor ;D
ive been hearing this since i was little.
"The Chalenger should beat the champion convincingly"
My DL is 38% cant wait :) and yeah i miss the Ganja :D
The champion edge is a cliche, and does happen, but it's not good (or legal) judging. The aggressor part is.
Re: It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?
Frankly, to say the fight wasn't close, isn't being honest.
I had the fight 6-6. Press row was split. Many, many writers had this fight a draw. Rafael who had Marquez winning the first two fights had this fight a draw too Pacquiao-Marquez: Manny Pacquiao picks off Juan Manuel Marquez, ready for Floyd Mayweather - ESPN. No, Marquez was not 'robbed' vs. Pacquiao - New York Boxing Blog - ESPN New York. Max Kellerman who I usually consider to be on point had the fight a draw too. Steve Kim from maxboxing.com had the fight 115-113 Marquez. Steven Edwards on boxingtalk.com had it 115-113 Pacquiao. Doveed Linder also from boxingtalk.com had it 6-6. Someone who I respect a ton for his boxing writing and his experience in boxing is Graham Houston. Graham Houston thought Pacquiao eeked out a win. NO CLOSURE: Manny Pacquiao W12 (maj.) Juan Manuel Marquez.
Goerge Willis from the New York Post - "it was a tough fight to score." http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/boxin...PD1gTqeGrikrkI
Compubox is not by any means the be all and end all, but compubox had Manny throwing 578 punches to Marquez's 436 and landing 176 punches to Marquez's 138. Manny led 117-100 on power punches. So, I don't think it's honest to say this fight wasn't close. I thought there were 3 rounds a piece that were clear and then there were 6 rounds that were damn tough to score.
Re: It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?
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fan johnny
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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miron_lang
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
boxing is scored on clean effective punching, which Marquez did all night, even more so than Pacquiao, the challenger went beyond what he had to to "beat" the champion convincingly, fuck me if now to beat the "champion" you have to clean his fucking clock
I am not talking about Pac-JMM 3. but the usual judging of today.
10-10 is discouraged and judges are encouraged to have a winner in each round.
sample were Tarver-JonesJr I
Tarver's rounds were clear but there were many close rounds that went to Roy. That's why the crowd booed.
IF JMM CLEALRLY WON 7 rounds as in crystal clear then you have an argument for robbery but even if you have 8 or 9 'closely contested' rounds for JMM then its not a robbery but a close fight.
Did you score 7 CLEAR rounds for JMM? this is a legit question.
i had Marquez winning 8 rounds to 4
Just shows how different you see the fight than did the judges.
obviously i did, i didn't get a wad of cash slipped into my pocket...
Re: It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?
There is no way JMM won 8-4, you would have had to been drunk to have either guy up by 4 rounds. In all honesty I think JMM did better than I expected, but if you look at who probably won the fight and I have again, it leans towards Manny. He landed, threw more was brining the pressure, and while JMM landed the bigger shots. It was a close fight, but Manny seemed like the guy that could have gone 15 rounds. They both fought great, and I honestly felt this was Manny's most complete performance, it's just his evolution to becoming more skilled did compromise him a little as Nacho predicted.
