It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?

[Gandalf]

It seems Marquez winning 8-4 is the general consensus from what I have been reading. I had it that and had it the same on rewatching.

Anyone thinking Manny won the fight is in cloud cuckoo land. It isn't trivial to argue that something very serious and wrong happened with the verdict that was given.

Miron Lang shouldn't be making excuses for this. Rounds are scored as they are, it is irrelevant who the champion is. A champion should not be receiving a free pass and especially when he is being outboxed for the vast bulk of the fight.

That is just what your looking for not what the conciseness is.

No, that is evaluating the fight on a round by round basis. I gave Manny 4 rounds because I think he won them.

[fan johnny]

It seems Marquez winning 8-4 is the general consensus from what I have been reading. I had it that and had it the same on rewatching.

Anyone thinking Manny won the fight is in cloud cuckoo land. It isn't trivial to argue that something very serious and wrong happened with the verdict that was given.

Miron Lang shouldn't be making excuses for this. Rounds are scored as they are, it is irrelevant who the champion is. A champion should not be receiving a free pass and especially when he is being outboxed for the vast bulk of the fight.

That is just what your looking for not what the conciseness is.

No, that is evaluating the fight on a round by round basis. I gave Manny 4 rounds because I think he won them.

Manny Pacquiao v Juan Manuel Marquez: round-by-round verdict - Telegraph

Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez Scorecard & Round by Round Winner, Christian News

This is the first two links I pulled off google "pacquiao vs marquez round by round" Now if I were looking for "marquez robbed round by round" I could come up with your conciseness and I's sure if I kept going more links would favor marquez but there is certainly no conciseness here. There was no schooling by either fighter. It was another close fight due to the lack of activity by both fighters and it could have been called either way.

Now, I know you know this so don't take this as an insult but I understand the way the fight is scored is using the 10 point must system. i.e. 10 points is awarded to the winner of the round and 9 to the loser not including knockdowns, blowouts or penalties. But you are allowed to score 10-10 if there is no clear winner and I also understand this is discouraged to prevent draws. Thus when you have a close fight like this boring ass fight (for a Pacquiao fight) the more aggressive fighter tends to get more rounds. Now I can't see the compubox number being off here because the of punches thrown is easy to track in this fight. So unless you can show me that my view was different than yours, This was nothing more than a close fight and no clear winner beyond what the judges scored.