It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?

[ElTerribleMorales]

boxing is scored on clean effective punching, which Marquez did all night, even more so than Pacquiao, the challenger went beyond what he had to to "beat" the champion convincingly, fuck me if now to beat the "champion" you have to clean his fucking clock

I am not talking about Pac-JMM 3. but the usual judging of today.

10-10 is discouraged and judges are encouraged to have a winner in each round.

sample were Tarver-JonesJr I

Tarver's rounds were clear but there were many close rounds that went to Roy. That's why the crowd booed.

IF JMM CLEALRLY WON 7 rounds as in crystal clear then you have an argument for robbery but even if you have 8 or 9 'closely contested' rounds for JMM then its not a robbery but a close fight.


Did you score 7 CLEAR rounds for JMM? this is a legit question.

i had Marquez winning 8 rounds to 4

[fan johnny]

boxing is scored on clean effective punching, which Marquez did all night, even more so than Pacquiao, the challenger went beyond what he had to to "beat" the champion convincingly, fuck me if now to beat the "champion" you have to clean his fucking clock

I am not talking about Pac-JMM 3. but the usual judging of today.

10-10 is discouraged and judges are encouraged to have a winner in each round.

sample were Tarver-JonesJr I

Tarver's rounds were clear but there were many close rounds that went to Roy. That's why the crowd booed.

IF JMM CLEALRLY WON 7 rounds as in crystal clear then you have an argument for robbery but even if you have 8 or 9 'closely contested' rounds for JMM then its not a robbery but a close fight.


Did you score 7 CLEAR rounds for JMM? this is a legit question.

i had Marquez winning 8 rounds to 4

Just shows how different you see the fight than did the judges.

[Gandalf]

It seems Marquez winning 8-4 is the general consensus from what I have been reading. I had it that and had it the same on rewatching.

Anyone thinking Manny won the fight is in cloud cuckoo land. It isn't trivial to argue that something very serious and wrong happened with the verdict that was given.

Miron Lang shouldn't be making excuses for this. Rounds are scored as they are, it is irrelevant who the champion is. A champion should not be receiving a free pass and especially when he is being outboxed for the vast bulk of the fight.

[fan johnny]

It seems Marquez winning 8-4 is the general consensus from what I have been reading. I had it that and had it the same on rewatching.

Anyone thinking Manny won the fight is in cloud cuckoo land. It isn't trivial to argue that something very serious and wrong happened with the verdict that was given.

Miron Lang shouldn't be making excuses for this. Rounds are scored as they are, it is irrelevant who the champion is. A champion should not be receiving a free pass and especially when he is being outboxed for the vast bulk of the fight.

That is just what your looking for not what the conciseness is.

[Gandalf]

It seems Marquez winning 8-4 is the general consensus from what I have been reading. I had it that and had it the same on rewatching.

Anyone thinking Manny won the fight is in cloud cuckoo land. It isn't trivial to argue that something very serious and wrong happened with the verdict that was given.

Miron Lang shouldn't be making excuses for this. Rounds are scored as they are, it is irrelevant who the champion is. A champion should not be receiving a free pass and especially when he is being outboxed for the vast bulk of the fight.

That is just what your looking for not what the conciseness is.

No, that is evaluating the fight on a round by round basis. I gave Manny 4 rounds because I think he won them.

[fan johnny]

It seems Marquez winning 8-4 is the general consensus from what I have been reading. I had it that and had it the same on rewatching.

Anyone thinking Manny won the fight is in cloud cuckoo land. It isn't trivial to argue that something very serious and wrong happened with the verdict that was given.

Miron Lang shouldn't be making excuses for this. Rounds are scored as they are, it is irrelevant who the champion is. A champion should not be receiving a free pass and especially when he is being outboxed for the vast bulk of the fight.

That is just what your looking for not what the conciseness is.

No, that is evaluating the fight on a round by round basis. I gave Manny 4 rounds because I think he won them.

Manny Pacquiao v Juan Manuel Marquez: round-by-round verdict - Telegraph

Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez Scorecard & Round by Round Winner, Christian News

This is the first two links I pulled off google "pacquiao vs marquez round by round" Now if I were looking for "marquez robbed round by round" I could come up with your conciseness and I's sure if I kept going more links would favor marquez but there is certainly no conciseness here. There was no schooling by either fighter. It was another close fight due to the lack of activity by both fighters and it could have been called either way.

Now, I know you know this so don't take this as an insult but I understand the way the fight is scored is using the 10 point must system. i.e. 10 points is awarded to the winner of the round and 9 to the loser not including knockdowns, blowouts or penalties. But you are allowed to score 10-10 if there is no clear winner and I also understand this is discouraged to prevent draws. Thus when you have a close fight like this boring ass fight (for a Pacquiao fight) the more aggressive fighter tends to get more rounds. Now I can't see the compubox number being off here because the of punches thrown is easy to track in this fight. So unless you can show me that my view was different than yours, This was nothing more than a close fight and no clear winner beyond what the judges scored.

[Rantcatrat]

Frankly, to say the fight wasn't close, isn't being honest.

I had the fight 6-6. Press row was split. Many, many writers had this fight a draw. Rafael who had Marquez winning the first two fights had this fight a draw too Pacquiao-Marquez: Manny Pacquiao picks off Juan Manuel Marquez, ready for Floyd Mayweather - ESPN. No, Marquez was not 'robbed' vs. Pacquiao - New York Boxing Blog - ESPN New York. Max Kellerman who I usually consider to be on point had the fight a draw too. Steve Kim from maxboxing.com had the fight 115-113 Marquez. Steven Edwards on boxingtalk.com had it 115-113 Pacquiao. Doveed Linder also from boxingtalk.com had it 6-6. Someone who I respect a ton for his boxing writing and his experience in boxing is Graham Houston. Graham Houston thought Pacquiao eeked out a win. NO CLOSURE: Manny Pacquiao W12 (maj.) Juan Manuel Marquez.

Goerge Willis from the New York Post - "it was a tough fight to score." http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/boxin...PD1gTqeGrikrkI
Compubox is not by any means the be all and end all, but compubox had Manny throwing 578 punches to Marquez's 436 and landing 176 punches to Marquez's 138. Manny led 117-100 on power punches. So, I don't think it's honest to say this fight wasn't close. I thought there were 3 rounds a piece that were clear and then there were 6 rounds that were damn tough to score.

[ElTerribleMorales]

boxing is scored on clean effective punching, which Marquez did all night, even more so than Pacquiao, the challenger went beyond what he had to to "beat" the champion convincingly, fuck me if now to beat the "champion" you have to clean his fucking clock

I am not talking about Pac-JMM 3. but the usual judging of today.

10-10 is discouraged and judges are encouraged to have a winner in each round.

sample were Tarver-JonesJr I

Tarver's rounds were clear but there were many close rounds that went to Roy. That's why the crowd booed.

IF JMM CLEALRLY WON 7 rounds as in crystal clear then you have an argument for robbery but even if you have 8 or 9 'closely contested' rounds for JMM then its not a robbery but a close fight.


Did you score 7 CLEAR rounds for JMM? this is a legit question.

i had Marquez winning 8 rounds to 4

Just shows how different you see the fight than did the judges.

obviously i did, i didn't get a wad of cash slipped into my pocket...

[Taeth]

There is no way JMM won 8-4, you would have had to been drunk to have either guy up by 4 rounds. In all honesty I think JMM did better than I expected, but if you look at who probably won the fight and I have again, it leans towards Manny. He landed, threw more was brining the pressure, and while JMM landed the bigger shots. It was a close fight, but Manny seemed like the guy that could have gone 15 rounds. They both fought great, and I honestly felt this was Manny's most complete performance, it's just his evolution to becoming more skilled did compromise him a little as Nacho predicted.

[Rantcatrat]

There is no way JMM won 8-4, you would have had to been drunk to have either guy up by 4 rounds. In all honesty I think JMM did better than I expected, but if you look at who probably won the fight and I have again, it leans towards Manny. He landed, threw more was brining the pressure, and while JMM landed the bigger shots. It was a close fight, but Manny seemed like the guy that could have gone 15 rounds. They both fought great, and I honestly felt this was Manny's most complete performance, it's just his evolution to becoming more skilled did compromise him a little as Nacho predicted.

I thought also what came into play is that Manny couldn't hurt Marquez the way he had in the past because of the increased weight. Marquez carried the weight much better than anticipated and looked more solid at this weight than he had in his last few fights. It was very surprising to me.