Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bute is the champion, right? He's not the fighter coming off a lopsided loss. For Froch to have any demands is foolish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bute is the champion, right? He's not the fighter coming off a lopsided loss. For Froch to have any demands is foolish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
How the fuck can anyone think Froch is making a "bitch move" for asking for a rematch option? That is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFroch has no title. Why the fuck does he need a rematch clause? I understand Bute needing one. He is the champion. For the fight to not happen cuz of Froch needing a rematch clause is a straight bitch move on Froch's part. The challenger needs a rematch clause. Come the fuck on with that bullshit. That's gotta be one of the most moronic demands by a challenger ever. So if Bute were to stop Froch early or embarrasses him over 12 he should still be obligated to fight him again? Fuck all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch's last four fights have been against the current supermiddleweight champion, no.2, no. 8 and no.9. He was the AWAY fighter in all four bouts.
Not only is Bute's opposition WAY below Froch's he's never been the AWAY fighter in his life.
What serious boxing fan cares about Bute's shitty alphabet title? Froch has TWICE held the WBC title in the time Bute has held the IBF. Froch could have simply done what Bute did - stay at home defending against c-level opposition (and Froch leftovers). To cite Bute's "title" as some sort of superiority over Froch is ridiculous.
Bute should be BEGGING to fight Froch to prove he can mix it at the top.
(p.s - they stated the rematch would be scrapped if there's a KO or lopsided decision ;))
So what your saying is you support the ridiculous idea of challengers demanding a rematch clause, right? Or is it only when it benefits a UK fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHow the fuck can anyone think Froch is making a "bitch move" for asking for a rematch option? That is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFroch has no title. Why the fuck does he need a rematch clause? I understand Bute needing one. He is the champion. For the fight to not happen cuz of Froch needing a rematch clause is a straight bitch move on Froch's part. The challenger needs a rematch clause. Come the fuck on with that bullshit. That's gotta be one of the most moronic demands by a challenger ever. So if Bute were to stop Froch early or embarrasses him over 12 he should still be obligated to fight him again? Fuck all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch's last four fights have been against the current supermiddleweight champion, no.2, no. 8 and no.9. He was the AWAY fighter in all four bouts.
Not only is Bute's opposition WAY below Froch's he's never been the AWAY fighter in his life.
What serious boxing fan cares about Bute's shitty alphabet title? Froch has TWICE held the WBC title in the time Bute has held the IBF. Froch could have simply done what Bute did - stay at home defending against c-level opposition (and Froch leftovers). To cite Bute's "title" as some sort of superiority over Froch is ridiculous.
Bute should be BEGGING to fight Froch to prove he can mix it at the top.
(p.s - they stated the rematch would be scrapped if there's a KO or lopsided decision ;))
So if Bute-Froch were to look like Ward-Froch there would be a rematch? Everybody know the fight was lopsided but the moronic scores say otherwise. A rematch would be meaningless.
well the contracted agreement said if it was a KO within 6 rounds or a one sided decision either way then there wouldn't be a rematch so to answer your question...no there wouldn't be a rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo what your saying is you support the ridiculous idea of challengers demanding a rematch clause, right? Or is it only when it benefits a UK fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHow the fuck can anyone think Froch is making a "bitch move" for asking for a rematch option? That is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFroch has no title. Why the fuck does he need a rematch clause? I understand Bute needing one. He is the champion. For the fight to not happen cuz of Froch needing a rematch clause is a straight bitch move on Froch's part. The challenger needs a rematch clause. Come the fuck on with that bullshit. That's gotta be one of the most moronic demands by a challenger ever. So if Bute were to stop Froch early or embarrasses him over 12 he should still be obligated to fight him again? Fuck all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch's last four fights have been against the current supermiddleweight champion, no.2, no. 8 and no.9. He was the AWAY fighter in all four bouts.
Not only is Bute's opposition WAY below Froch's he's never been the AWAY fighter in his life.
What serious boxing fan cares about Bute's shitty alphabet title? Froch has TWICE held the WBC title in the time Bute has held the IBF. Froch could have simply done what Bute did - stay at home defending against c-level opposition (and Froch leftovers). To cite Bute's "title" as some sort of superiority over Froch is ridiculous.
Bute should be BEGGING to fight Froch to prove he can mix it at the top.
(p.s - they stated the rematch would be scrapped if there's a KO or lopsided decision ;))
So if Bute-Froch were to look like Ward-Froch there would be a rematch? Everybody know the fight was lopsided but the moronic scores say otherwise. A rematch would be meaningless.
The moronic scores for Ward-Froch suggest it was a close fight when in reality it wasn't. There shouldn't be a rematch but I can easily see Froch pushing for one using the scores to support his case.
Froch doesn't deserve a rematch against Ward at this momment in time and he should be trying to keep well away from one. I was talking about Froch - Bute saying if the fight wasnt at all close there wouldn't be a rematch that was part of the agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Finito - you're not making 100% sense here. Dirrell fought tooth and nails with Froch. Sure, there is an argument Dirrell won that fight although I believe the correct view is that Direll lost that fight not that Froch won, if that makes sense, and I chalk it up Dirrell's loss to ring immaturity. If Dirrell and Froch fought close and Froch got the nod, why shouldn't Bute fight the winner. In addition, if Froch isn't a big threat, why the accolades and praise heeped on Andre Ward? It makes more sense that if Ward does not want to face Bute, shouldn't Bute fight the combatant who placed second in the super six? And frankly, the only person the Matrix needs to see is Andre Ward after it appeared he ducked him in the S6 tournament. Moreover, Froch didn't duck anyone in the tournament. Who deserves a big fight more, Froch or Dirrell?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
No I'm saying I don't even regard Bute as champion. His silly IBF belt means NOTHING when it comes to comparing him with the worlds best supermiddles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo what your saying is you support the ridiculous idea of challengers demanding a rematch clause, right? Or is it only when it benefits a UK fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHow the fuck can anyone think Froch is making a "bitch move" for asking for a rematch option? That is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFroch has no title. Why the fuck does he need a rematch clause? I understand Bute needing one. He is the champion. For the fight to not happen cuz of Froch needing a rematch clause is a straight bitch move on Froch's part. The challenger needs a rematch clause. Come the fuck on with that bullshit. That's gotta be one of the most moronic demands by a challenger ever. So if Bute were to stop Froch early or embarrasses him over 12 he should still be obligated to fight him again? Fuck all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch's last four fights have been against the current supermiddleweight champion, no.2, no. 8 and no.9. He was the AWAY fighter in all four bouts.
Not only is Bute's opposition WAY below Froch's he's never been the AWAY fighter in his life.
What serious boxing fan cares about Bute's shitty alphabet title? Froch has TWICE held the WBC title in the time Bute has held the IBF. Froch could have simply done what Bute did - stay at home defending against c-level opposition (and Froch leftovers). To cite Bute's "title" as some sort of superiority over Froch is ridiculous.
Bute should be BEGGING to fight Froch to prove he can mix it at the top.
(p.s - they stated the rematch would be scrapped if there's a KO or lopsided decision ;))
So if Bute-Froch were to look like Ward-Froch there would be a rematch? Everybody know the fight was lopsided but the moronic scores say otherwise. A rematch would be meaningless.
It's real simple to understand -
Fighter A spends the last two years challenging all the best fighters in the world. Even willing to constantly give-up home-advantage. In the process he loses his own title. He's fighting the very best, so obviously has more chance of losing.
Fighter B wins an alphabet title. Spends four years at home defending it against "bums/leftovers."
Now how the fuck can any serious fan regard fighter B as the "champ."
Bute should be BEHIND Froch in the rankings. He shouldn't have any right to dictate terms to a fighter with a far superior resume.
To repeat - If it's lopsided or a KO the rematch is scrapped. They're asking for a rematch if it's CLOSE. They (Team FRoch) admitted the scorecards were wrong in the Ward fight. That's why no-one cares for a rematch.
However, what if it's like Bute-Andrade 1? What if Froch knocks him out but they still award Bute the victory? Does Froch, the fighter with the far superior record, the former two time alpahbet holder, the super-six finalist, NOT deserve a rematch? And why the fuck should he go back to Canada for it.
Come on now, lets keep it real (IBF means superiority?.. deary, deary me :rolleyes:)
The whole point about rematch as I understand it is that Froch wants a fight in Nottingham. Froch is hedging against the possibility that something like what happened in the Peterson v. Khan fight happens in Montreal. Moreover, Froch deserves a fight in Notthingham as he has been fighting on the road for most of the last three years.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHow the fuck can anyone think Froch is making a "bitch move" for asking for a rematch option? That is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFroch has no title. Why the fuck does he need a rematch clause? I understand Bute needing one. He is the champion. For the fight to not happen cuz of Froch needing a rematch clause is a straight bitch move on Froch's part. The challenger needs a rematch clause. Come the fuck on with that bullshit. That's gotta be one of the most moronic demands by a challenger ever. So if Bute were to stop Froch early or embarrasses him over 12 he should still be obligated to fight him again? Fuck all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch's last four fights have been against the current supermiddleweight champion, no.2, no. 8 and no.9. He was the AWAY fighter in all four bouts.
Not only is Bute's opposition WAY below Froch's he's never been the AWAY fighter in his life.
What serious boxing fan cares about Bute's shitty alphabet title? Froch has TWICE held the WBC title in the time Bute has held the IBF. Froch could have simply done what Bute did - stay at home defending against c-level opposition (and Froch leftovers). To cite Bute's "title" as some sort of superiority over Froch is ridiculous.
Bute should be BEGGING to fight Froch to prove he can mix it at the top.
(p.s - they stated the rematch would be scrapped if there's a KO or lopsided decision ;))
To suggest, however, that Bute isn't in the driver's seat here in terms of negotations is incorrect. Bute is undefeated, has a belt, and fills stadiums in Montreal. Bute also has looked better against common opposition. Yet, Froch is the best fight available for Bute right now if Ward won't fight him. Froch should take his fair share of the pot--No doubt about it.
Fenster can't help himself from disparaging Bute. Fenster, we've danced this jig before so I'll bit my toungue and deal with your provocative remarks regarding Bute. Make no mistake though, Fenster, if they sign to fight, you and I are doing a sigbet, my friend. :punchangry:Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterNo I'm saying I don't even regard Bute as champion. His silly IBF belt means NOTHING when it comes to comparing him with the worlds best supermiddles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo what your saying is you support the ridiculous idea of challengers demanding a rematch clause, right? Or is it only when it benefits a UK fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHow the fuck can anyone think Froch is making a "bitch move" for asking for a rematch option? That is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFroch has no title. Why the fuck does he need a rematch clause? I understand Bute needing one. He is the champion. For the fight to not happen cuz of Froch needing a rematch clause is a straight bitch move on Froch's part. The challenger needs a rematch clause. Come the fuck on with that bullshit. That's gotta be one of the most moronic demands by a challenger ever. So if Bute were to stop Froch early or embarrasses him over 12 he should still be obligated to fight him again? Fuck all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch's last four fights have been against the current supermiddleweight champion, no.2, no. 8 and no.9. He was the AWAY fighter in all four bouts.
Not only is Bute's opposition WAY below Froch's he's never been the AWAY fighter in his life.
What serious boxing fan cares about Bute's shitty alphabet title? Froch has TWICE held the WBC title in the time Bute has held the IBF. Froch could have simply done what Bute did - stay at home defending against c-level opposition (and Froch leftovers). To cite Bute's "title" as some sort of superiority over Froch is ridiculous.
Bute should be BEGGING to fight Froch to prove he can mix it at the top.
(p.s - they stated the rematch would be scrapped if there's a KO or lopsided decision ;))
So if Bute-Froch were to look like Ward-Froch there would be a rematch? Everybody know the fight was lopsided but the moronic scores say otherwise. A rematch would be meaningless.
It's real simple to understand -
Fighter A spends the last two years challenging all the best fighters in the world. Even willing to constantly give-up home-advantage. In the process he loses his own title. He's fighting the very best, so obviously has more chance of losing.
Fighter B wins an alphabet title. Spends four years at home defending it against "bums/leftovers."
Now how the fuck can any serious fan regard fighter B as the "champ."
Bute should be BEHIND Froch in the rankings. He shouldn't have any right to dictate terms to a fighter with a far superior resume.
To repeat - If it's lopsided or a KO the rematch is scrapped. They're asking for a rematch if it's CLOSE. They (Team FRoch) admitted the scorecards were wrong in the Ward fight. That's why no-one cares for a rematch.
However, what if it's like Bute-Andrade 1? What if Froch knocks him out but they still award Bute the victory? Does Froch, the fighter with the far superior record, the former two time alpahbet holder, the super-six finalist, NOT deserve a rematch? And why the fuck should he go back to Canada for it.
Come on now, lets keep it real (IBF means superiority?.. deary, deary me :rolleyes:)
Well there's ZERO point in Froch facing Bute then. Froch hasn't fought in England for over two years. He easily has the profile now to fill a "stadium." If he wins an alphabet next year that puts him on a par with Bute and will obviously get a much better deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThe whole point about rematch as I understand it is that Froch wants a fight in Nottingham. Froch is hedging against the possibility that something like what happened in the Peterson v. Khan fight happens in Montreal. Moreover, Froch deserves a fight in Notthingham as he has been fighting on the road for most of the last three years.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHow the fuck can anyone think Froch is making a "bitch move" for asking for a rematch option? That is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFroch has no title. Why the fuck does he need a rematch clause? I understand Bute needing one. He is the champion. For the fight to not happen cuz of Froch needing a rematch clause is a straight bitch move on Froch's part. The challenger needs a rematch clause. Come the fuck on with that bullshit. That's gotta be one of the most moronic demands by a challenger ever. So if Bute were to stop Froch early or embarrasses him over 12 he should still be obligated to fight him again? Fuck all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch's last four fights have been against the current supermiddleweight champion, no.2, no. 8 and no.9. He was the AWAY fighter in all four bouts.
Not only is Bute's opposition WAY below Froch's he's never been the AWAY fighter in his life.
What serious boxing fan cares about Bute's shitty alphabet title? Froch has TWICE held the WBC title in the time Bute has held the IBF. Froch could have simply done what Bute did - stay at home defending against c-level opposition (and Froch leftovers). To cite Bute's "title" as some sort of superiority over Froch is ridiculous.
Bute should be BEGGING to fight Froch to prove he can mix it at the top.
(p.s - they stated the rematch would be scrapped if there's a KO or lopsided decision ;))
To suggest, however, that Bute isn't in the driver's seat here in terms of negotations is incorrect. Bute is undefeated, has a belt, and fills stadiums in Montreal. Bute also has looked better against common opposition. Yet, Froch is the best fight available for Bute right now if Ward won't fight him. Froch should take his fair share of the pot--No doubt about it.
How has Bute done better against common opposition?
Froch KO'd Tatevosyan. Bute beat him on PTS.
Froch KO'd Magee. Bute KO'd Magee.
Froch beat Johnson on PTS. Bute beat Johnson on PTS.
Looks like Froch rates higher due to the Tatevosyan KO ;)
I'm talking about the same thing. Using Ward-Froch as an example. Which was a lopsided fight deemed close by moronic scorecards. Do they rematch than?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonFroch doesn't deserve a rematch against Ward at this momment in time and he should be trying to keep well away from one. I was talking about Froch - Bute saying if the fight wasnt at all close there wouldn't be a rematch that was part of the agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I haven't insulted Bute in the slightest. I'm merely making a comparison between him and one of the worlds proven best supermiddles. Quite simply - FRoch has the form in the book, as of yet Bute does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFenster can't help himself from disparaging Bute. Fenster, we've danced this jig before so I'll bit my toungue and deal with your provocative remarks regarding Bute. Make no mistake though, Fenster, if they sign to fight, you and I are doing a sigbet, my friend. :punchangry:Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterNo I'm saying I don't even regard Bute as champion. His silly IBF belt means NOTHING when it comes to comparing him with the worlds best supermiddles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo what your saying is you support the ridiculous idea of challengers demanding a rematch clause, right? Or is it only when it benefits a UK fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHow the fuck can anyone think Froch is making a "bitch move" for asking for a rematch option? That is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFroch has no title. Why the fuck does he need a rematch clause? I understand Bute needing one. He is the champion. For the fight to not happen cuz of Froch needing a rematch clause is a straight bitch move on Froch's part. The challenger needs a rematch clause. Come the fuck on with that bullshit. That's gotta be one of the most moronic demands by a challenger ever. So if Bute were to stop Froch early or embarrasses him over 12 he should still be obligated to fight him again? Fuck all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch's last four fights have been against the current supermiddleweight champion, no.2, no. 8 and no.9. He was the AWAY fighter in all four bouts.
Not only is Bute's opposition WAY below Froch's he's never been the AWAY fighter in his life.
What serious boxing fan cares about Bute's shitty alphabet title? Froch has TWICE held the WBC title in the time Bute has held the IBF. Froch could have simply done what Bute did - stay at home defending against c-level opposition (and Froch leftovers). To cite Bute's "title" as some sort of superiority over Froch is ridiculous.
Bute should be BEGGING to fight Froch to prove he can mix it at the top.
(p.s - they stated the rematch would be scrapped if there's a KO or lopsided decision ;))
So if Bute-Froch were to look like Ward-Froch there would be a rematch? Everybody know the fight was lopsided but the moronic scores say otherwise. A rematch would be meaningless.
It's real simple to understand -
Fighter A spends the last two years challenging all the best fighters in the world. Even willing to constantly give-up home-advantage. In the process he loses his own title. He's fighting the very best, so obviously has more chance of losing.
Fighter B wins an alphabet title. Spends four years at home defending it against "bums/leftovers."
Now how the fuck can any serious fan regard fighter B as the "champ."
Bute should be BEHIND Froch in the rankings. He shouldn't have any right to dictate terms to a fighter with a far superior resume.
To repeat - If it's lopsided or a KO the rematch is scrapped. They're asking for a rematch if it's CLOSE. They (Team FRoch) admitted the scorecards were wrong in the Ward fight. That's why no-one cares for a rematch.
However, what if it's like Bute-Andrade 1? What if Froch knocks him out but they still award Bute the victory? Does Froch, the fighter with the far superior record, the former two time alpahbet holder, the super-six finalist, NOT deserve a rematch? And why the fuck should he go back to Canada for it.
Come on now, lets keep it real (IBF means superiority?.. deary, deary me :rolleyes:)
I think Bute will beat Froch.
Who I think wins is utterly irrelevant to my argument though ;)
You provocative son of a gun. Listen, you and I both know, whether you choose to acknowledge it is a different question, but we both know that Bute beat Johnson and Magee better than Froch. What I'll give you is that Froch faced them first. Frequently it is forgotten that Bute also beat Bika soundly.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterWell there's ZERO point in Froch facing Bute then. Froch hasn't fought in England for over two years. He easily has the profile now to fill a "stadium." If he wins an alphabet next year that puts him on a par with Bute and will obviously get a much better deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThe whole point about rematch as I understand it is that Froch wants a fight in Nottingham. Froch is hedging against the possibility that something like what happened in the Peterson v. Khan fight happens in Montreal. Moreover, Froch deserves a fight in Notthingham as he has been fighting on the road for most of the last three years.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHow the fuck can anyone think Froch is making a "bitch move" for asking for a rematch option? That is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFroch has no title. Why the fuck does he need a rematch clause? I understand Bute needing one. He is the champion. For the fight to not happen cuz of Froch needing a rematch clause is a straight bitch move on Froch's part. The challenger needs a rematch clause. Come the fuck on with that bullshit. That's gotta be one of the most moronic demands by a challenger ever. So if Bute were to stop Froch early or embarrasses him over 12 he should still be obligated to fight him again? Fuck all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch's last four fights have been against the current supermiddleweight champion, no.2, no. 8 and no.9. He was the AWAY fighter in all four bouts.
Not only is Bute's opposition WAY below Froch's he's never been the AWAY fighter in his life.
What serious boxing fan cares about Bute's shitty alphabet title? Froch has TWICE held the WBC title in the time Bute has held the IBF. Froch could have simply done what Bute did - stay at home defending against c-level opposition (and Froch leftovers). To cite Bute's "title" as some sort of superiority over Froch is ridiculous.
Bute should be BEGGING to fight Froch to prove he can mix it at the top.
(p.s - they stated the rematch would be scrapped if there's a KO or lopsided decision ;))
To suggest, however, that Bute isn't in the driver's seat here in terms of negotations is incorrect. Bute is undefeated, has a belt, and fills stadiums in Montreal. Bute also has looked better against common opposition. Yet, Froch is the best fight available for Bute right now if Ward won't fight him. Froch should take his fair share of the pot--No doubt about it.
How has Bute done better against common opposition?
Froch KO'd Tatevosyan. Bute beat him on PTS.
Froch KO'd Magee. Bute KO'd Magee.
Froch beat Johnson on PTS. Bute beat Johnson on PTS.
Looks like Froch rates higher due to the Tatevosyan KO ;)
No because a rematch clause to my knowledge wasn't part of the inital contracted deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI'm talking about the same thing. Using Ward-Froch as an example. Which was a lopsided fight deemed close by moronic scorecards. Do they rematch than?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonFroch doesn't deserve a rematch against Ward at this momment in time and he should be trying to keep well away from one. I was talking about Froch - Bute saying if the fight wasnt at all close there wouldn't be a rematch that was part of the agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise