I do agree with this. A prime Oscar is probably a better opponent than anyone Floyd actually faced. (Though I would still pick Floyd to win it.)Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
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I do agree with this. A prime Oscar is probably a better opponent than anyone Floyd actually faced. (Though I would still pick Floyd to win it.)Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
These would be good fights, I think peak Oscar that fought Vargas may have beaten Floyd and Manny at 154lb. At welterweight I think a peak Manny (v which was against weight drained Oscar) and peak Floyd (v Shane) may have beaten Oscar and at the lower weights.
WTF? Their fight was a split decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
OK now your sound more like a hater. Pacquiao fought many legit 147lb fighters and proved he could handle the punch of bigger weight class. The question is hypothetical, not actual, so when attempting to make a point put some thought into it rather than a knee jerk reaction about your feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI should imagine someone has already pointed this out (havent read all the posts) but its so ridiculous I feel the need to comment now!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Oscar was far from a legit 147lb fighter:rolleyes:
He hadnt foight at that weight for 7 years and had fought up at middle and even then Manny needed him to come in well below the limit, at 145lb! He was a totally weight drained fighter!
I have no doubt that the fighter who fought Trinidad, Quartey and Mosely would be far too much for Pacquiao.
I think Floyd always beats him. Dont forget, Floyd fought De La Hoya where he was comfortable, big and strong, up at light middle!
No doubt a prime Oscar could have put some hurt on Pacquiao. I think it comes down to, could a prime Oscar have caught Pacquiao? I don't know, but after seeing Pacquiao's subsequent fights, I doubt Oscar would have enough solid connects to take out Pacquiao or win on points. thus a prime Oscar beating Pacquiao is doubtful.
Fuck off!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyOK now your sound more like a hater. Pacquiao fought many legit 147lb fighters and proved he could handle the punch of bigger weight class. The question is hypothetical, not actual, so when attempting to make a point put some thought into it rather than a knee jerk reaction about your feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI should imagine someone has already pointed this out (havent read all the posts) but its so ridiculous I feel the need to comment now!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Oscar was far from a legit 147lb fighter:rolleyes:
He hadnt foight at that weight for 7 years and had fought up at middle and even then Manny needed him to come in well below the limit, at 145lb! He was a totally weight drained fighter!
I have no doubt that the fighter who fought Trinidad, Quartey and Mosely would be far too much for Pacquiao.
I think Floyd always beats him. Dont forget, Floyd fought De La Hoya where he was comfortable, big and strong, up at light middle!
No doubt a prime Oscar could have put some hurt on Pacquiao. I think it comes down to, could a prime Oscar have caught Pacquiao? I don't know, but after seeing Pacquiao's subsequent fights, I doubt Oscar would have enough solid connects to take out Pacquiao or win on points. thus a prime Oscar beating Pacquiao is doubtful.
You must be what they call a pactard?
These are the facts... Oscar hadnt fought at 147 for 7 years! He had to make 145 which he would have struggled to do and be effective when he was fighting at 147. He had to be put on a drip after the weighin as he was so dehydrated. Even Cotto was made to struggle with weight. Pacquiao isnt that good. Hes been beaten twice now by someone who Floyd made look like a little boy. Floyd had the balls to go up to light middle and fight Oscar where he was strong.
The fact that it was scored a split was absolutely disgraceful. 9-3 was the correct way to score the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyWTF? Their fight was a split decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
Quartey had him on his arse twice!Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOscar has never been dropped and that inclides fights with Mosely, Trinidad, Quartey. Hopkins was a body shot. Oscar has one of the best chins going. Even the shordrained version couldnt e dented byPacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
The point that you are missing about Oscar is that he was versatile. He was happy to go hell for leather in his first fight against Mosley and against Quartey, and then box behind his jab against Tito and the return against Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyOK now your sound more like a hater. Pacquiao fought many legit 147lb fighters and proved he could handle the punch of bigger weight class. The question is hypothetical, not actual, so when attempting to make a point put some thought into it rather than a knee jerk reaction about your feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI should imagine someone has already pointed this out (havent read all the posts) but its so ridiculous I feel the need to comment now!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Oscar was far from a legit 147lb fighter:rolleyes:
He hadnt foight at that weight for 7 years and had fought up at middle and even then Manny needed him to come in well below the limit, at 145lb! He was a totally weight drained fighter!
I have no doubt that the fighter who fought Trinidad, Quartey and Mosely would be far too much for Pacquiao.
I think Floyd always beats him. Dont forget, Floyd fought De La Hoya where he was comfortable, big and strong, up at light middle!
No doubt a prime Oscar could have put some hurt on Pacquiao. I think it comes down to, could a prime Oscar have caught Pacquiao? I don't know, but after seeing Pacquiao's subsequent fights, I doubt Oscar would have enough solid connects to take out Pacquiao or win on points. thus a prime Oscar beating Pacquiao is doubtful.
Subsequest connects against Pacquiao? Against whom? Please don't hold Hatton, Bradley, Clottey and Margarito up as poster boys for pinpoint speed, accuracy and power.
Truth is the closest to Oscar in quality Manny has faced post Oscar is Marquez and Cotto. Marquez had no trouble snapping Manny's head back, and Cotto had success when he boxed (and he is slower, smaller, lighter punching, and technically poorer than Oscar with a lesser chin.)
If Oscar elected to box Manny he would win easily.
This is me :dunce: its a dunce!Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenQuartey had him on his arse twice!Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOscar has never been dropped and that inclides fights with Mosely, Trinidad, Quartey. Hopkins was a body shot. Oscar has one of the best chins going. Even the shordrained version couldnt e dented byPacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
You had a point though. Oscar was down a bit early in his career, and even Whitaker had him on the deck. I remember back in the mid nineties many boxing writers thought he was chinny.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThis is me :dunce: its a dunce!Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenQuartey had him on his arse twice!Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOscar has never been dropped and that inclides fights with Mosely, Trinidad, Quartey. Hopkins was a body shot. Oscar has one of the best chins going. Even the shordrained version couldnt e dented byPacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
Difference was, all Oscar's knockdowns were flash knockdowns when he was off balance. I can't recall him ever being hurt or his legs wobbling.
Its probably when he thought or felt that he had no threat from his oponents power and fought stupid.
I actually think the Cotto that fought Floyd would beat Pac. Cotto was not only weight drained in the Pac fight...he still had not psychologically gotten over the first Margo fight.
I am a fan of Cotto but he is a one armed fighter and Manny beats him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
I find it interesting how people are saying Floyd would totally beat Oscar easily on his prime when Floyd BARELY beat Oscar when he was past his prime. Imagine if it was during his prime.
Prime Oscar vs Pac. Hhhhmm I can imagine Oscar’s fast piercing jab snapping Manny’s head back throughout the fight.
Oscar was easily beaten by Floyd. I gave him 2-3 rounds maximum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Did you really agree with the glue-sniffing judges and have this close? Really? Have you watched it with the sound off?