Re: Thug Life with Fernando Vargas
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I was the opposite I supported Vargas against 2 of my other favourites ODH and Tito. Shame he lost both but he gave a warriors performance that he can be proud of.
Against Trinidad yes, but against ODH he only looked good cause he was juiced up, which only makes DLH's win more impressive and sorry just makes Vargas' short comings more obvious, I remember when he used to come into the ring with what looked like a duck face pose and Trinidad dropped it about half way, Oscar turned it into a whimper, 2 people only to blame for Vargas' demise, and that was his management and himself, didn't have even 25 fights when they were putting him in with guys like Campas (even if he was old he still had power), Quartey, Wright, and Trinidad. Tito was a step up too soon and it showed, especially to the mental damage taken in that loss, Vargas became a bit inactive and also his ego was too damn inflated going in against guys who had already proven themselves to be greats and again he paid for it
I'm not sure you can blame his management, we don't know that Vargas would've been any better off waiting to fight guys like that. His people certainly had every reason to believe he could beat Trinidad, and that was a hell of a fight, I wouldn't wish to undo it as a boxing fan. Maybe Vargas just peaked early, he was as skilled as he was going to be by a young age and had back problems etc so declined physically quite early.
IMO he wasn't mature enough MENTALLY to be in there and cope with that type of beating or fight, and that's why he deteriorated so badly afterwards
He deteriorated due to his back problems. Any knowledgeable boxing fan could only tell he couldn't move like before after hurting his back. It was so obvious.
So he wasn't mature enough for Trinidad. But he was mature enough for Ike Quartey, Winky Wright, Raul Marquez and Yory Boy Campas? That makes no fucking sense.
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I was the opposite I supported Vargas against 2 of my other favourites ODH and Tito. Shame he lost both but he gave a warriors performance that he can be proud of.
Against Trinidad yes, but against ODH he only looked good cause he was juiced up, which only makes DLH's win more impressive and sorry just makes Vargas' short comings more obvious, I remember when he used to come into the ring with what looked like a duck face pose and Trinidad dropped it about half way, Oscar turned it into a whimper, 2 people only to blame for Vargas' demise, and that was his management and himself, didn't have even 25 fights when they were putting him in with guys like Campas (even if he was old he still had power), Quartey, Wright, and Trinidad. Tito was a step up too soon and it showed, especially to the mental damage taken in that loss, Vargas became a bit inactive and also his ego was too damn inflated going in against guys who had already proven themselves to be greats and again he paid for it
I'm not sure you can blame his management, we don't know that Vargas would've been any better off waiting to fight guys like that. His people certainly had every reason to believe he could beat Trinidad, and that was a hell of a fight, I wouldn't wish to undo it as a boxing fan. Maybe Vargas just peaked early, he was as skilled as he was going to be by a young age and had back problems etc so declined physically quite early.
IMO he wasn't mature enough MENTALLY to be in there and cope with that type of beating or fight, and that's why he deteriorated so badly afterwards
He deteriorated due to his back problems. Any knowledgeable boxing fan could only tell he couldn't move like before after hurting his back. It was so obvious.
So he wasn't mature enough for Trinidad. But he was mature enough for Ike Quartey, Winky Wright, Raul Marquez and Yory Boy Campas? That makes no fucking sense.
Wright was robbed against Vargas so wouldn't say that was a real smart move putting him in there with either, and Campas, Quartey, and Marquez (really?! lol) were all notches below Trinidad, Vargas' back didn't become an issue until AFTER the DLH fight, that's why he went up to 160 to fight Joval, Vargas' decline was mental for the most part as evident by nearly being stopped by the mediocre Wilfredo Rivera
Re: Thug Life with Fernando Vargas
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I was the opposite I supported Vargas against 2 of my other favourites ODH and Tito. Shame he lost both but he gave a warriors performance that he can be proud of.
Against Trinidad yes, but against ODH he only looked good cause he was juiced up, which only makes DLH's win more impressive and sorry just makes Vargas' short comings more obvious, I remember when he used to come into the ring with what looked like a duck face pose and Trinidad dropped it about half way, Oscar turned it into a whimper, 2 people only to blame for Vargas' demise, and that was his management and himself, didn't have even 25 fights when they were putting him in with guys like Campas (even if he was old he still had power), Quartey, Wright, and Trinidad. Tito was a step up too soon and it showed, especially to the mental damage taken in that loss, Vargas became a bit inactive and also his ego was too damn inflated going in against guys who had already proven themselves to be greats and again he paid for it
I'm not sure you can blame his management, we don't know that Vargas would've been any better off waiting to fight guys like that. His people certainly had every reason to believe he could beat Trinidad, and that was a hell of a fight, I wouldn't wish to undo it as a boxing fan. Maybe Vargas just peaked early, he was as skilled as he was going to be by a young age and had back problems etc so declined physically quite early.
IMO he wasn't mature enough MENTALLY to be in there and cope with that type of beating or fight, and that's why he deteriorated so badly afterwards
He deteriorated due to his back problems. Any knowledgeable boxing fan could only tell he couldn't move like before after hurting his back. It was so obvious.
So he wasn't mature enough for Trinidad. But he was mature enough for Ike Quartey, Winky Wright, Raul Marquez and Yory Boy Campas? That makes no fucking sense.
Wright was robbed against Vargas so wouldn't say that was a real smart move putting him in there with either, and Campas, Quartey, and Marquez (really?! lol) were all notches below Trinidad, Vargas' back didn't become an issue until AFTER the DLH fight, that's why he went up to 160 to fight Joval, Vargas' decline was mental for the most part as evident by nearly being stopped by the mediocre Wilfredo Rivera
He deserves all the credit in the world for beating Quartey.
Who said he didn't deserve credit for beating Quartey? that should go down as Vargas' best performance, he was brilliant that night and showed he wasn't just some slugger, but IMO Quartey didn't accomplish as much as Trinidad and pretty much peaked against DLH
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I was the opposite I supported Vargas against 2 of my other favourites ODH and Tito. Shame he lost both but he gave a warriors performance that he can be proud of.
Against Trinidad yes, but against ODH he only looked good cause he was juiced up, which only makes DLH's win more impressive and sorry just makes Vargas' short comings more obvious, I remember when he used to come into the ring with what looked like a duck face pose and Trinidad dropped it about half way, Oscar turned it into a whimper, 2 people only to blame for Vargas' demise, and that was his management and himself, didn't have even 25 fights when they were putting him in with guys like Campas (even if he was old he still had power), Quartey, Wright, and Trinidad. Tito was a step up too soon and it showed, especially to the mental damage taken in that loss, Vargas became a bit inactive and also his ego was too damn inflated going in against guys who had already proven themselves to be greats and again he paid for it
I'm not sure you can blame his management, we don't know that Vargas would've been any better off waiting to fight guys like that. His people certainly had every reason to believe he could beat Trinidad, and that was a hell of a fight, I wouldn't wish to undo it as a boxing fan. Maybe Vargas just peaked early, he was as skilled as he was going to be by a young age and had back problems etc so declined physically quite early.
IMO he wasn't mature enough MENTALLY to be in there and cope with that type of beating or fight, and that's why he deteriorated so badly afterwards
He deteriorated due to his back problems. Any knowledgeable boxing fan could only tell he couldn't move like before after hurting his back. It was so obvious.
So he wasn't mature enough for Trinidad. But he was mature enough for Ike Quartey, Winky Wright, Raul Marquez and Yory Boy Campas? That makes no fucking sense.
Wright was robbed against Vargas so wouldn't say that was a real smart move putting him in there with either, and Campas, Quartey, and Marquez (really?! lol) were all notches below Trinidad, Vargas' back didn't become an issue until AFTER the DLH fight, that's why he went up to 160 to fight Joval, Vargas' decline was mental for the most part as evident by nearly being stopped by the mediocre Wilfredo Rivera
He deserves all the credit in the world for beating Quartey.
Who said he didn't deserve credit for beating Quartey? that should go down as Vargas' best performance, he was brilliant that night and showed he wasn't just some slugger, but IMO Quartey didn't accomplish as much as Trinidad and pretty much peaked against DLH
Trinidad accomplished more than Quartey. But Quartey was more feared. And I think the better fighter. Anyway what should of Vargas done? He had already beaten Quartey, Wright and Campas. He took care of Ross Thompson to satisfy his mandatory. There was nobody left to fight but Trinidad. The timing was right. And he was ready. If Vargas wasn't ready for the fight he would of never made it out the first round. But he did. He survived. Got himself together. Took control of the fight and floored Trinidad. It took dirty tactics for Vargas to give up control of the fight. A fighter who isn't ready doesn't do all that
Stop with the lies. Vargas suffered a flash knock down against Rivera. Gets up I believe at the count of 2. Before the round is over Rivera is on the defensive. How the fuck does that translate to Vargas almost being stopped? The fight was never close to being stopped in that round. Just cuz a fighter got dropped doesn't mean he's on the verge of being stopped.
Re: Thug Life with Fernando Vargas
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I was the opposite I supported Vargas against 2 of my other favourites ODH and Tito. Shame he lost both but he gave a warriors performance that he can be proud of.
Against Trinidad yes, but against ODH he only looked good cause he was juiced up, which only makes DLH's win more impressive and sorry just makes Vargas' short comings more obvious, I remember when he used to come into the ring with what looked like a duck face pose and Trinidad dropped it about half way, Oscar turned it into a whimper, 2 people only to blame for Vargas' demise, and that was his management and himself, didn't have even 25 fights when they were putting him in with guys like Campas (even if he was old he still had power), Quartey, Wright, and Trinidad. Tito was a step up too soon and it showed, especially to the mental damage taken in that loss, Vargas became a bit inactive and also his ego was too damn inflated going in against guys who had already proven themselves to be greats and again he paid for it
I'm not sure you can blame his management, we don't know that Vargas would've been any better off waiting to fight guys like that. His people certainly had every reason to believe he could beat Trinidad, and that was a hell of a fight, I wouldn't wish to undo it as a boxing fan. Maybe Vargas just peaked early, he was as skilled as he was going to be by a young age and had back problems etc so declined physically quite early.
IMO he wasn't mature enough MENTALLY to be in there and cope with that type of beating or fight, and that's why he deteriorated so badly afterwards
He deteriorated due to his back problems. Any knowledgeable boxing fan could only tell he couldn't move like before after hurting his back. It was so obvious.
So he wasn't mature enough for Trinidad. But he was mature enough for Ike Quartey, Winky Wright, Raul Marquez and Yory Boy Campas? That makes no fucking sense.
Wright was robbed against Vargas so wouldn't say that was a real smart move putting him in there with either, and Campas, Quartey, and Marquez (really?! lol) were all notches below Trinidad, Vargas' back didn't become an issue until AFTER the DLH fight, that's why he went up to 160 to fight Joval, Vargas' decline was mental for the most part as evident by nearly being stopped by the mediocre Wilfredo Rivera
He deserves all the credit in the world for beating Quartey.
Who said he didn't deserve credit for beating Quartey? that should go down as Vargas' best performance, he was brilliant that night and showed he wasn't just some slugger, but IMO Quartey didn't accomplish as much as Trinidad and pretty much peaked against DLH
Trinidad accomplished more than Quartey. But Quartey was more feared. And I think the better fighter. Anyway what should of Vargas done? He had already beaten Quartey, Wright and Campas. He took care of Ross Thompson to satisfy his mandatory. There was nobody left to fight but Trinidad. The timing was right. And he was ready. If Vargas wasn't ready for the fight he would of never made it out the first round. But he did. He survived. Got himself together. Took control of the fight and floored Trinidad. It took dirty tactics for Vargas to give up control of the fight. A fighter who isn't ready doesn't do all that
Stop with the lies. Vargas suffered a flash knock down against Rivera. Gets up I believe at the count of 2. Before the round is over Rivera is on the defensive. How the fuck does that translate to Vargas almost being stopped? The fight was never close to being stopped in that round. Just cuz a fighter got dropped doesn't mean he's on the verge of being stopped.
Vargas was as talented of an actor as DLH was from the B Hop body shot, so don't try to play it as if that's his reason for losing and getting KTFO in the final round while already behind on the scorecards, Rivera dropped Vargas like a bag of shit and then stepped back and didn't press the action afterwards, and it wasn't like Fernando came back guns blazing or even took over the round as if he applied some beating, anyways back to the main point, Vargas didn't have the back injury until his fight against the likes of Tony Marshall and then decided to pass on surgery (showing how much of a dumb ass he is) and opted to rehab his back himself, cause I'm sure Vargas knew all about fixing an injured disc
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Vargas beat Wright it was not a robbery, it was close but he deserved the decision.
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Vargas beat Wright it was not a robbery, it was close but he deserved the decision.
saw a different fight than you, cause Vargas seemed lost in that fight, Wright IMO was the clears winner
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Vargas beat Wright it was not a robbery, it was close but he deserved the decision.
saw a different fight than you, cause Vargas seemed lost in that fight, Wright IMO was the clears winner
Where you saw lost I saw determination and being outside his comfort zone to get the victory.
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I was the opposite I supported Vargas against 2 of my other favourites ODH and Tito. Shame he lost both but he gave a warriors performance that he can be proud of.
Against Trinidad yes, but against ODH he only looked good cause he was juiced up, which only makes DLH's win more impressive and sorry just makes Vargas' short comings more obvious, I remember when he used to come into the ring with what looked like a duck face pose and Trinidad dropped it about half way, Oscar turned it into a whimper, 2 people only to blame for Vargas' demise, and that was his management and himself, didn't have even 25 fights when they were putting him in with guys like Campas (even if he was old he still had power), Quartey, Wright, and Trinidad. Tito was a step up too soon and it showed, especially to the mental damage taken in that loss, Vargas became a bit inactive and also his ego was too damn inflated going in against guys who had already proven themselves to be greats and again he paid for it
I'm not sure you can blame his management, we don't know that Vargas would've been any better off waiting to fight guys like that. His people certainly had every reason to believe he could beat Trinidad, and that was a hell of a fight, I wouldn't wish to undo it as a boxing fan. Maybe Vargas just peaked early, he was as skilled as he was going to be by a young age and had back problems etc so declined physically quite early.
IMO he wasn't mature enough MENTALLY to be in there and cope with that type of beating or fight, and that's why he deteriorated so badly afterwards
He deteriorated due to his back problems. Any knowledgeable boxing fan could only tell he couldn't move like before after hurting his back. It was so obvious.
So he wasn't mature enough for Trinidad. But he was mature enough for Ike Quartey, Winky Wright, Raul Marquez and Yory Boy Campas? That makes no fucking sense.
Wright was robbed against Vargas so wouldn't say that was a real smart move putting him in there with either, and Campas, Quartey, and Marquez (really?! lol) were all notches below Trinidad, Vargas' back didn't become an issue until AFTER the DLH fight, that's why he went up to 160 to fight Joval, Vargas' decline was mental for the most part as evident by nearly being stopped by the mediocre Wilfredo Rivera
He deserves all the credit in the world for beating Quartey.
Who said he didn't deserve credit for beating Quartey? that should go down as Vargas' best performance, he was brilliant that night and showed he wasn't just some slugger, but IMO Quartey didn't accomplish as much as Trinidad and pretty much peaked against DLH
Trinidad accomplished more than Quartey. But Quartey was more feared. And I think the better fighter. Anyway what should of Vargas done? He had already beaten Quartey, Wright and Campas. He took care of Ross Thompson to satisfy his mandatory. There was nobody left to fight but Trinidad. The timing was right. And he was ready. If Vargas wasn't ready for the fight he would of never made it out the first round. But he did. He survived. Got himself together. Took control of the fight and floored Trinidad. It took dirty tactics for Vargas to give up control of the fight. A fighter who isn't ready doesn't do all that
Stop with the lies. Vargas suffered a flash knock down against Rivera. Gets up I believe at the count of 2. Before the round is over Rivera is on the defensive. How the fuck does that translate to Vargas almost being stopped? The fight was never close to being stopped in that round. Just cuz a fighter got dropped doesn't mean he's on the verge of being stopped.
Vargas was as talented of an actor as DLH was from the B Hop body shot, so don't try to play it as if that's his reason for losing and getting KTFO in the final round while already behind on the scorecards, Rivera dropped Vargas like a bag of shit and then stepped back and didn't press the action afterwards, and it wasn't like Fernando came back guns blazing or even took over the round as if he applied some beating, anyways back to the main point, Vargas didn't have the back injury until his fight against the likes of Tony Marshall and then decided to pass on surgery (showing how much of a dumb ass he is) and opted to rehab his back himself, cause I'm sure Vargas knew all about fixing an injured disc
Just so I'm clear you're telling me the low blows didn't hurt and didn't change the momentum of the fight, right?
If Rivera stepped back and failed to press the action than when exactly was Vargas on the verge of being stopped?
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Vargas beat Wright it was not a robbery, it was close but he deserved the decision.
saw a different fight than you, cause Vargas seemed lost in that fight, Wright IMO was the clears winner
Where you saw lost I saw determination and being outside his comfort zone to get the victory.
Vargas took the fight when he swept the championship rounds
Re: Thug Life with Fernando Vargas
I think he was running a burrito factory outlet. Last time I saw the guy, it looked like he couldn't keep his hands off of them. This guy is a bloated pig now...all the money he made is going straight to his gut.
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An active fighter who doesn't stay in shape deserves all the criticism but Vargas has been retired for years. This is a fighter who gave so much of himself to this sport at a very young age so he has earned the right to eat whatever he wants.
So what if he's fat? Its not like he has any fights lined up.
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An active fighter who doesn't stay in shape deserves all the criticism but Vargas has been retired for years. This is a fighter who gave so much of himself to this sport at a very young age so he has earned the right to eat whatever he wants.
So what if he's fat? Its not like he has any fights lined up.
he looked like whale going into has fights against Mosley and against Mayorga, so it's nothing new
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An active fighter who doesn't stay in shape deserves all the criticism but Vargas has been retired for years. This is a fighter who gave so much of himself to this sport at a very young age so he has earned the right to eat whatever he wants.
So what if he's fat? Its not like he has any fights lined up.
he looked like whale going into has fights against Mosley and against Mayorga, so it's nothing new
The Oscar bout was Vargas' last fight as a serious fighter but everything changed after that cuz of the mileage on his odometer and his back.
He was only fighting for paydays by the time he fought Mosley and Mayorga and it was just a circus act.
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An active fighter who doesn't stay in shape deserves all the criticism but Vargas has been retired for years. This is a fighter who gave so much of himself to this sport at a very young age so he has earned the right to eat whatever he wants.
So what if he's fat? Its not like he has any fights lined up.
he looked like whale going into has fights against Mosley and against Mayorga, so it's nothing new
The Oscar bout was Vargas' last fight as a serious fighter but everything changed after that cuz of the mileage on his odometer and his back.
He was only fighting for paydays by the time he fought Mosley and Mayorga and it was just a circus act.
he was already a joke going into the DLH fight, that's why his ass juiced up, and the back injury was a factor until before the Joval fight and his move up to Middleweight
