Thug Life with Fernando Vargas

[Master]

I was the opposite I supported Vargas against 2 of my other favourites ODH and Tito. Shame he lost both but he gave a warriors performance that he can be proud of.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I was the opposite I supported Vargas against 2 of my other favourites ODH and Tito. Shame he lost both but he gave a warriors performance that he can be proud of.

Against Trinidad yes, but against ODH he only looked good cause he was juiced up, which only makes DLH's win more impressive and sorry just makes Vargas' short comings more obvious, I remember when he used to come into the ring with what looked like a duck face pose and Trinidad dropped it about half way, Oscar turned it into a whimper, 2 people only to blame for Vargas' demise, and that was his management and himself, didn't have even 25 fights when they were putting him in with guys like Campas (even if he was old he still had power), Quartey, Wright, and Trinidad. Tito was a step up too soon and it showed, especially to the mental damage taken in that loss, Vargas became a bit inactive and also his ego was too damn inflated going in against guys who had already proven themselves to be greats and again he paid for it

[Beanflicker]

Boxing is a dirty game with a lot of seedy characters making up the cast.

[p4pking]

I was the opposite I supported Vargas against 2 of my other favourites ODH and Tito. Shame he lost both but he gave a warriors performance that he can be proud of.

Against Trinidad yes, but against ODH he only looked good cause he was juiced up, which only makes DLH's win more impressive and sorry just makes Vargas' short comings more obvious, I remember when he used to come into the ring with what looked like a duck face pose and Trinidad dropped it about half way, Oscar turned it into a whimper, 2 people only to blame for Vargas' demise, and that was his management and himself, didn't have even 25 fights when they were putting him in with guys like Campas (even if he was old he still had power), Quartey, Wright, and Trinidad. Tito was a step up too soon and it showed, especially to the mental damage taken in that loss, Vargas became a bit inactive and also his ego was too damn inflated going in against guys who had already proven themselves to be greats and again he paid for it

I'm not sure you can blame his management, we don't know that Vargas would've been any better off waiting to fight guys like that. His people certainly had every reason to believe he could beat Trinidad, and that was a hell of a fight, I wouldn't wish to undo it as a boxing fan. Maybe Vargas just peaked early, he was as skilled as he was going to be by a young age and had back problems etc so declined physically quite early.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I was the opposite I supported Vargas against 2 of my other favourites ODH and Tito. Shame he lost both but he gave a warriors performance that he can be proud of.

Against Trinidad yes, but against ODH he only looked good cause he was juiced up, which only makes DLH's win more impressive and sorry just makes Vargas' short comings more obvious, I remember when he used to come into the ring with what looked like a duck face pose and Trinidad dropped it about half way, Oscar turned it into a whimper, 2 people only to blame for Vargas' demise, and that was his management and himself, didn't have even 25 fights when they were putting him in with guys like Campas (even if he was old he still had power), Quartey, Wright, and Trinidad. Tito was a step up too soon and it showed, especially to the mental damage taken in that loss, Vargas became a bit inactive and also his ego was too damn inflated going in against guys who had already proven themselves to be greats and again he paid for it

I'm not sure you can blame his management, we don't know that Vargas would've been any better off waiting to fight guys like that. His people certainly had every reason to believe he could beat Trinidad, and that was a hell of a fight, I wouldn't wish to undo it as a boxing fan. Maybe Vargas just peaked early, he was as skilled as he was going to be by a young age and had back problems etc so declined physically quite early.

IMO he wasn't mature enough MENTALLY to be in there and cope with that type of beating or fight, and that's why he deteriorated so badly afterwards

[greynotsoold]

The boxing people guiding Vargas didn't do anything wrong. They led him to world titles and big money paydays. That is exactly what you are supposed to do with a talented fighter. Unfortunately, when you have a bunch of money, you need to invest it and that puts you into contact with people that make the characters in boxing pale in comparison...the real seedy characters are in the financial world, not the boxing gym. Vargas didn't sue his trainer or his manager, just his financial guy.

[Violent Demise]

I was the opposite I supported Vargas against 2 of my other favourites ODH and Tito. Shame he lost both but he gave a warriors performance that he can be proud of.

Against Trinidad yes, but against ODH he only looked good cause he was juiced up, which only makes DLH's win more impressive and sorry just makes Vargas' short comings more obvious, I remember when he used to come into the ring with what looked like a duck face pose and Trinidad dropped it about half way, Oscar turned it into a whimper, 2 people only to blame for Vargas' demise, and that was his management and himself, didn't have even 25 fights when they were putting him in with guys like Campas (even if he was old he still had power), Quartey, Wright, and Trinidad. Tito was a step up too soon and it showed, especially to the mental damage taken in that loss, Vargas became a bit inactive and also his ego was too damn inflated going in against guys who had already proven themselves to be greats and again he paid for it

I'm not sure you can blame his management, we don't know that Vargas would've been any better off waiting to fight guys like that. His people certainly had every reason to believe he could beat Trinidad, and that was a hell of a fight, I wouldn't wish to undo it as a boxing fan. Maybe Vargas just peaked early, he was as skilled as he was going to be by a young age and had back problems etc so declined physically quite early.

IMO he wasn't mature enough MENTALLY to be in there and cope with that type of beating or fight, and that's why he deteriorated so badly afterwards

He deteriorated due to his back problems. Any knowledgeable boxing fan could only tell he couldn't move like before after hurting his back. It was so obvious.

So he wasn't mature enough for Trinidad. But he was mature enough for Ike Quartey, Winky Wright, Raul Marquez and Yory Boy Campas? That makes no fucking sense.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I was the opposite I supported Vargas against 2 of my other favourites ODH and Tito. Shame he lost both but he gave a warriors performance that he can be proud of.

Against Trinidad yes, but against ODH he only looked good cause he was juiced up, which only makes DLH's win more impressive and sorry just makes Vargas' short comings more obvious, I remember when he used to come into the ring with what looked like a duck face pose and Trinidad dropped it about half way, Oscar turned it into a whimper, 2 people only to blame for Vargas' demise, and that was his management and himself, didn't have even 25 fights when they were putting him in with guys like Campas (even if he was old he still had power), Quartey, Wright, and Trinidad. Tito was a step up too soon and it showed, especially to the mental damage taken in that loss, Vargas became a bit inactive and also his ego was too damn inflated going in against guys who had already proven themselves to be greats and again he paid for it

I'm not sure you can blame his management, we don't know that Vargas would've been any better off waiting to fight guys like that. His people certainly had every reason to believe he could beat Trinidad, and that was a hell of a fight, I wouldn't wish to undo it as a boxing fan. Maybe Vargas just peaked early, he was as skilled as he was going to be by a young age and had back problems etc so declined physically quite early.

IMO he wasn't mature enough MENTALLY to be in there and cope with that type of beating or fight, and that's why he deteriorated so badly afterwards

He deteriorated due to his back problems. Any knowledgeable boxing fan could only tell he couldn't move like before after hurting his back. It was so obvious.

So he wasn't mature enough for Trinidad. But he was mature enough for Ike Quartey, Winky Wright, Raul Marquez and Yory Boy Campas? That makes no fucking sense.

Wright was robbed against Vargas so wouldn't say that was a real smart move putting him in there with either, and Campas, Quartey, and Marquez (really?! lol) were all notches below Trinidad, Vargas' back didn't become an issue until AFTER the DLH fight, that's why he went up to 160 to fight Joval, Vargas' decline was mental for the most part as evident by nearly being stopped by the mediocre Wilfredo Rivera

[Jerry Rice]

I was the opposite I supported Vargas against 2 of my other favourites ODH and Tito. Shame he lost both but he gave a warriors performance that he can be proud of.

Against Trinidad yes, but against ODH he only looked good cause he was juiced up, which only makes DLH's win more impressive and sorry just makes Vargas' short comings more obvious, I remember when he used to come into the ring with what looked like a duck face pose and Trinidad dropped it about half way, Oscar turned it into a whimper, 2 people only to blame for Vargas' demise, and that was his management and himself, didn't have even 25 fights when they were putting him in with guys like Campas (even if he was old he still had power), Quartey, Wright, and Trinidad. Tito was a step up too soon and it showed, especially to the mental damage taken in that loss, Vargas became a bit inactive and also his ego was too damn inflated going in against guys who had already proven themselves to be greats and again he paid for it

I'm not sure you can blame his management, we don't know that Vargas would've been any better off waiting to fight guys like that. His people certainly had every reason to believe he could beat Trinidad, and that was a hell of a fight, I wouldn't wish to undo it as a boxing fan. Maybe Vargas just peaked early, he was as skilled as he was going to be by a young age and had back problems etc so declined physically quite early.

IMO he wasn't mature enough MENTALLY to be in there and cope with that type of beating or fight, and that's why he deteriorated so badly afterwards

He deteriorated due to his back problems. Any knowledgeable boxing fan could only tell he couldn't move like before after hurting his back. It was so obvious.

So he wasn't mature enough for Trinidad. But he was mature enough for Ike Quartey, Winky Wright, Raul Marquez and Yory Boy Campas? That makes no fucking sense.

Wright was robbed against Vargas so wouldn't say that was a real smart move putting him in there with either, and Campas, Quartey, and Marquez (really?! lol) were all notches below Trinidad, Vargas' back didn't become an issue until AFTER the DLH fight, that's why he went up to 160 to fight Joval, Vargas' decline was mental for the most part as evident by nearly being stopped by the mediocre Wilfredo Rivera

He deserves all the credit in the world for beating Quartey.