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Re: Foreman, Louis, Marciano, Lewis, Holmes 5 greatest of All Time
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
Joe Frazier
Unfortunately, Joe doesn't make the Top 10.
Ezzard Charles is right there with Joe in the Top 15.
yes and Rocco would pound them to sand inside 8 rounds both.
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Re: Foreman, Louis, Marciano, Lewis, Holmes 5 greatest of All Time
I always put Foreman higher on the list than most. To me he is a quintessential great. I was born too late to watch him live but did get to enjoy his comeback. I also have a George Foreman grill.
I do realize every time I rank him I can't say unbiased as I'm a Foreman nuthugger but I do believe a decent argument could be raised by many to justify having Foreman higher than I often see. I could watch his fights on YouTube all day and I am in the middle of watching when we were Kings for the thrice time. I'm sure we all have fighters we feel that way about.
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Re: Foreman, Louis, Marciano, Lewis, Holmes 5 greatest of All Time
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Originally Posted by
walrus
I always put Foreman higher on the list than most. To me he is a quintessential great. I was born too late to watch him love but did get to enjoy his comeback. I also have a George Foreman grill.
I do realize every time I rank him I can't say unbiased as I'm a Foreman nuthugger but I do believe a decent argument could be raised by many to justify having Foreman higher than I often see. I could watch his fights on YouTube all day and I am in the middle of watching when we were Kings for the thrice time. I'm sure we all have fighters we feel that way about.
Rocky Marciano and then 2nd for me is George Foreman. I am mesmerized by the concept of sheer brutish power, and how it nullifies (usually) all the gay ballerina bullcrap in one single shot or 2.
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Re: Foreman, Louis, Marciano, Lewis, Holmes 5 greatest of All Time
Frazier beats Rocky and would have a great fight with Evander Holyfield. Joe does probably lose to Lennox.
Foreman was not a great champion neither was Holyfield.
Ezzard Charles is the greatest light heavyweight ever not heavyweight.
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Re: Foreman, Louis, Marciano, Lewis, Holmes 5 greatest of All Time
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Originally Posted by
Master
Frazier beats Rocky and would have a great fight with Evander Holyfield. Joe does probably lose to Lennox.
Foreman was not a great champion neither was Holyfield.
Ezzard Charles is the greatest light heavyweight ever not heavyweight.
Better than The Mongoose?
YOu think Frazier beats Rocky? I think Frazier cannot REACH Rocky with the left, Rocky would turn so sideways that Joe wouldnt reach him with that hook AT ALL Rock would come underneath after Joe missed wildly, and break all his ribs on his left side. I can see it now. Frazier had a pissy right hand.
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Re: Foreman, Louis, Marciano, Lewis, Holmes 5 greatest of All Time
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
Frazier had a pissy right hand.
Until the very end of his career.
Amazing how Joe Frazier virtually a 1 armed fighter won so much and vs good competition as well.
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Re: Foreman, Louis, Marciano, Lewis, Holmes 5 greatest of All Time
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Master
Frazier beats Rocky and would have a great fight with Evander Holyfield. Joe does probably lose to Lennox.
Foreman was not a great champion neither was Holyfield.
Ezzard Charles is the greatest light heavyweight ever not heavyweight.
Better than The Mongoose?
YOu think Frazier beats Rocky? I think Frazier cannot REACH Rocky with the left, Rocky would turn so sideways that Joe wouldnt reach him with that hook AT ALL Rock would come underneath after Joe missed wildly, and break all his ribs on his left side. I can see it now. Frazier had a pissy right hand.
Joe was bigger than Rocky and Joe was a great champion.
Charles beat Moore so yes.
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Re: Foreman, Louis, Marciano, Lewis, Holmes 5 greatest of All Time
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
mikeeod
1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Evander
5. Frazier
6. Lewis
7. Foreman
8. Wlad
9. Dempsey
10. Marciano
Lewis would beat Frazier every time
I don't rank off perceived head to head match ups. Frazier won the Fight of the Century vs. Ali and was dominant until the much larger Foreman came along. Frazier unified and erased all doubt as to his place as the champ and beat ATG Ali when he was undefeated.
I can see people rank Lennox higher, but for me the blowout losses to McCall and Rahman hurt his standing. If you can get over it and justify ranking him higher, sweet. Also think his shaky chin and Fraziers aggression and big left hook don't make it as one sided or non-competitive as you think...
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Re: Foreman, Louis, Marciano, Lewis, Holmes 5 greatest of All Time
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
just caNnot see evander and smokin joe ahead of foreman and marciano. Rocky would beat frazier AND holy (Marciano would to holy what he did to ezzard) and Foreman would BLOW AWAY EVANDER IN HIS PRIME 1973.
Foreman made like, two defenses during his prime. Evander was MUCH larger than Charles and Ezzard was never the same after killing a man in the ring. That being said, both fights Charles was right there with Marciano, despite being well past his prime. Evander is probably the greatest counter punching heavy ever, even stated by Tyson, and would have chewed Marciano up. Not even worth discussing further.
Evander struggled with clever boxers or MUCH larger men who were mobile and fought tall. I think he beats a younger Foreman worse than he did the one he beat in 1992. Back on topic though and not focusing on head to head competition, I like Evander's historical wins over Bowe and Tyson, his accomplishment of being a multiple (3x) time heavyweight champ (lineal), and his quality of opposition more than what Foreman and Marciano accomplished.
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Originally Posted by
mikeeod
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
just caNnot see evander and smokin joe ahead of foreman and marciano. Rocky would beat frazier AND holy (Marciano would to holy what he did to ezzard) and Foreman would BLOW AWAY EVANDER IN HIS PRIME 1973.
Foreman made like, two defenses during his prime. Evander was MUCH larger than Charles and Ezzard was never the same after killing a man in the ring. That being said, both fights Charles was right there with Marciano, despite being well past his prime. Evander is probably the greatest counter punching heavy ever, even stated by Tyson, and would have chewed Marciano up. Not even worth discussing further.
Evander struggled with clever boxers or MUCH larger men who were mobile and fought tall. I think he beats a younger Foreman worse than he did the one he beat in 1992. Back on topic though and not focusing on head to head competition, I like Evander's historical wins over Bowe and Tyson, his accomplishment of being a multiple (3x) time heavyweight champ (lineal), and his quality of opposition more than what Foreman and Marciano accomplished.
Excellent points but look at how he tarnished his career by fighting way too long and losing to Larry Donald, James to ney , Sherman WMD, john Ruiz, etc. Too many losses and now look at Marciano's record.
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Re: Foreman, Louis, Marciano, Lewis, Holmes 5 greatest of All Time
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
mikeeod
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
just caNnot see evander and smokin joe ahead of foreman and marciano. Rocky would beat frazier AND holy (Marciano would to holy what he did to ezzard) and Foreman would BLOW AWAY EVANDER IN HIS PRIME 1973.
Foreman made like, two defenses during his prime. Evander was MUCH larger than Charles and Ezzard was never the same after killing a man in the ring. That being said, both fights Charles was right there with Marciano, despite being well past his prime. Evander is probably the greatest counter punching heavy ever, even stated by Tyson, and would have chewed Marciano up. Not even worth discussing further.
Evander struggled with clever boxers or MUCH larger men who were mobile and fought tall. I think he beats a younger Foreman worse than he did the one he beat in 1992. Back on topic though and not focusing on head to head competition, I like Evander's historical wins over Bowe and Tyson, his accomplishment of being a multiple (3x) time heavyweight champ (lineal), and his quality of opposition more than what Foreman and Marciano accomplished.
Excellent points but look at how he tarnished his career by fighting way too long and losing to Larry Donald, James to ney , Sherman WMD, john Ruiz, etc. Too many losses and now look at Marciano's record.
Do we fault guys for sticking around too long now, or reward them for what they accomplished? Robinson stuck around and had some unsightly losses late in his career. Are you suggesting that Joe Calzaghe and Finito Lopez should be ranked higher historically?!?
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Originally Posted by
mikeeod
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
mikeeod
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
just caNnot see evander and smokin joe ahead of foreman and marciano. Rocky would beat frazier AND holy (Marciano would to holy what he did to ezzard) and Foreman would BLOW AWAY EVANDER IN HIS PRIME 1973.
Foreman made like, two defenses during his prime. Evander was MUCH larger than Charles and Ezzard was never the same after killing a man in the ring. That being said, both fights Charles was right there with Marciano, despite being well past his prime. Evander is probably the greatest counter punching heavy ever, even stated by Tyson, and would have chewed Marciano up. Not even worth discussing further.
Evander struggled with clever boxers or MUCH larger men who were mobile and fought tall. I think he beats a younger Foreman worse than he did the one he beat in 1992. Back on topic though and not focusing on head to head competition, I like Evander's historical wins over Bowe and Tyson, his accomplishment of being a multiple (3x) time heavyweight champ (lineal), and his quality of opposition more than what Foreman and Marciano accomplished.
Excellent points but look at how he tarnished his career by fighting way too long and losing to Larry Donald, James to ney , Sherman WMD, john Ruiz, etc. Too many losses and now look at Marciano's record.
Do we fault guys for sticking around too long now, or reward them for what they accomplished? Robinson stuck around and had some unsightly losses late in his career. Are you suggesting that Joe Calzaghe and Finito Lopez should be ranked higher historically?!?
Lopez and calzaghe? NO WAY!!
