Fenster's unable to tell me the best fighter Hamed beat, would anybody else like to?
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Fenster's unable to tell me the best fighter Hamed beat, would anybody else like to?
When I read "Justice!!! Naz" I thought it was going to be about his car smash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I can't pick Naz's best win, there are too many, that's why he's going in the Hall of Fame.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Why can't you answer how old you were when Naz beat Steve Robinson? That Welsh fella was obviously useless, right?
I don't think that's even possible. Lawrence Krauss or Brian Cox might be able to help us though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterI said great "entertainer." I didn't say "great" as in Ray Robinson great. But obviously Naz is regarded as a GREAT featherweight, hence why he's getting inducted into the hall of fame.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBI said WHO, not what.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterFeel free to pick...Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
You have WBC, WBA (Lineal), WBO and IBF champions to choose from.
Naz was 16-0 (14 KO's) in "World" Title fights. 10-1 (8 KO's) against former or current "world" champions.
Would you say that Kevin Kelley was the best person that he ever beat?
Lets talk fighters, not trinkets... We're throwing the word 'great' around here after all.
Lets talk fighters?
How old were you when Naz won his first "world" title?
Probably older than you where :)
Would you rather do a top ten instead Fenster?
That Said Lawal I remember him being the toughest test of Naz's career.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Waste of talent.
It has nothing to do with justice, it is all about moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
So, specially for you, I expand: It is financially advantageous for the people behind Hall of Fame, to promote Naz. Kapish?
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Originally Posted by NVSeminIt has nothing to do with justice, it is all about moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
So, specially for you, I expand: It is financially advantageous for the people behind Hall of Fame, to promote Naz. Kapish?
What does that even mean? Does it apply to just Hamed or to everyone inducted and if it does apply to everyone then why single out Hamed?
One of the highlights of my boxing viewership was watching one of my favourite fighters in Mab beat him up but that does not mean he should not get in the Hall.
The only criteria the Hall has is that there is no criteria. Its been a Hall of mediocrity for years now and along the way it has forgotten about several that should have been inducted but who fall down or off the list as new names are added to the list each year.
Others get in and have gotten in just by winning a strap. Well he had three of them and was the recognized man (lineal champ) at that weight. That more then qualifies based on modern day standards used. Hell Bowe got in right along side him and Gatti recently got in.There are many others in there that do not have the accomplishments that he has.
He also gets big points for putting the featherweight division on the map in his era and increasing the marketability of others then and for years to come. Vasquez made 600 grand against Hamed, by far his biggest payday. This came immediately after he was stripped by the WBA for failing to fight Cermeno which was a Don King screw up. Had he not been stripped, Hamed would have went on to be the first undisputed champion since Saldivar in 1967. As it is he's the first unified one since Vincente. That alone also guarantees him a ticket. And if the Hall's entry was based on competition alone, it would be half empty. I hated the prick but I have no qualms about him getting in.
It means they induct Hamed to invite more Brits and sell more beer and such. This is how they return the budget invested. From what I saw, apparently, sometimes with the budget,, they can induct a washed up legend who is not a money drawer anymore. it is 100% business. They need to pay bills and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminIt has nothing to do with justice, it is all about moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
So, specially for you, I expand: It is financially advantageous for the people behind Hall of Fame, to promote Naz. Kapish?
What does that even mean? Does it apply to just Hamed or to everyone inducted and if it does apply to everyone then why single out Hamed?
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Originally Posted by NVSeminIt means they induct Hamed to invite more Brits and sell more beer and such. This is how they return the budget invested. From what I saw, apparently, sometimes with the budget,, they can induct a washed up legend who is not a money drawer anymore. it is 100% business.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminIt has nothing to do with justice, it is all about moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
So, specially for you, I expand: It is financially advantageous for the people behind Hall of Fame, to promote Naz. Kapish?
What does that even mean? Does it apply to just Hamed or to everyone inducted and if it does apply to everyone then why single out Hamed?
What? You lost me. You have to be retired for 5 years before you are even become eligible so I'm not understanding that anymore then the other statement. All inductees are washed up and dont draw money anymore.
Adam was 8 when that fight happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI can't pick Naz's best win, there are too many, that's why he's going in the Hall of Fame.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Why can't you answer how old you were when Naz beat Steve Robinson? That Welsh fella was obviously useless, right?
Being the old man I was at the time (10) I remember the fight well.
I was 9 I think, 1 year for each loss Robinson had before Hamed made it 10.
If a top 1 is too restrictive and a top 10 is obviously too wide, how about a top 5?
Not as well as ICB does. He remembers The rumble in the Jungle like it was yesterday.
So you was 9, Adam. Which makes you around 16 when Naz retired? Nice. What an impact he had on you.
Steve Robinson beat Colin McMillan (ask Scrap about him he was his trainer), Paul Hodkinson (former WBC champ), Duke McKenzie (three division "world" champ) and Freddy Cruz (former "world" title challenger) during his eight fight unbeaten streak as WBO champ.
I thought Robinson was a very good fighter at the time, that had beaten good fighters.
What did you think of him at the time?