Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
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ross
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EL DINAMITA
Lucas browne or david price at least.
Hammer is a shit opponent i agree.
Lucas Brown is only ranked 20 in the world, David Price 26!
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Memphis
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ross
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Fenster
Shit fight, but you don't get paid for doing fuck all. I would have thought they would've got someone a bit bigger if they're so certain they'll be facing Wlad soon
Bigger doesn't mean better.
Name a better opponent for feb 28th.
Why not the man who chinned Hammer out? A less mobile version of Wlad who Fury probably couldn't knock out with a cricket bat, perfect.
Mariusz Wach is ranked 44 in the world.
Christian Hammer is ranked 11.
These are boxrec independent rankings. Hammer is ranked higher than any of those fighters mentioned.
Ricly Hatton wont let Brown fight Chambers let alone Fury. David Price has got a job to get in the ring with journeymen.
Ranking isnt end all to worthiness. Ranking dont mean shit sometimes bra.
Lucas browne is more dangerous than hamer and so is price.
Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
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EL DINAMITA
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Originally Posted by
ross
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EL DINAMITA
Lucas browne or david price at least.
Hammer is a shit opponent i agree.
Lucas Brown is only ranked 20 in the world, David Price 26!
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Memphis
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ross
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Fenster
Shit fight, but you don't get paid for doing fuck all. I would have thought they would've got someone a bit bigger if they're so certain they'll be facing Wlad soon
Bigger doesn't mean better.
Name a better opponent for feb 28th.
Why not the man who chinned Hammer out? A less mobile version of Wlad who Fury probably couldn't knock out with a cricket bat, perfect.
Mariusz Wach is ranked 44 in the world.
Christian Hammer is ranked 11.
These are boxrec independent rankings. Hammer is ranked higher than any of those fighters mentioned.
Ricly Hatton wont let Brown fight Chambers let alone Fury. David Price has got a job to get in the ring with journeymen.
Ranking isnt end all to worthiness. Ranking dont mean shit sometimes bra.
Lucas browne is more dangerous than hamer and so is price.
If Brown and Price are so dangerous why are they still fighting nobodies and journeymen?
They are being matched carefully against low level fighters because they have big limitations.
Who is the highest ranked either has beaten?
Rankings do mean something, especially the boxrec ones as they are independent and worked out by a scoring system. The reason hammer is far ahead of any of those others is because he has been beating much better fighters!
Ranking doesn't mean anything? Thats like saying "just because hes a better fighter, doesn't make him a better fighter!!!!!"
;D
Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
The boxrec system is far from perfect, no system is.
A Price fight would at least show us Fury's skills once he's lost a height and reach advantage, would be more interesting than him fighting yet another shorter heavy.
Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
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AdamGB
The boxrec system is far from perfect, no system is.
A Price fight would at least show us Fury's skills once he's lost a height and reach advantage, would be more interesting than him fighting yet another shorter heavy.
How would he lose a height and reach advantage over Price?
Tyson is an inch taller and has a 3" reach advantage.
It makes me laugh when you all say you want to see him fight someone he wont have a height and reach advantage over because there is no one that he wouldn't!
Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
Obviously... But with a guy of Price's build it would be largely negated... Stop being pedantic, I'n not saying he has to be the EXACT same fucking height, just remotely close... :vd:
Surely even you can figure out that 3 inches in reach and an inch in height isn't as significant an advantage as the 9-11 inches in reach and 5-7 inches in height that Fury usually enjoys?
His camp want no part of the taller heavies, he needs to fight a few taller heavies before standing a chance against Wlad, the way he boxes against all these 6 foot 1-3" guys isn't going to cut it at all.
Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
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AdamGB
Obviously... But with a guy of Price's build it would be largely negated... Stop being pedantic, I'n not saying he has to be the EXACT same fucking height, just remotely close... :vd:
Surely even you can figure out that 3 inches in reach and an inch in height isn't as significant an advantage as the 9-11 inches in reach and 5-7 inches in height that Fury usually enjoys?
His camp want no part of the taller heavies, he needs to fight a few taller heavies before standing a chance against Wlad, the way he boxes against all these 6 foot 1-3" guys isn't going to cut it at all.
He can fight Hans Christian Anderson for all I care, all he is is a makeweight for Hughie. EU JR on the undercard again to make sure someone actually attends the show or pays Poxnation, Happy New Year!
Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
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ross
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EL DINAMITA
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ross
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EL DINAMITA
Lucas browne or david price at least.
Hammer is a shit opponent i agree.
Lucas Brown is only ranked 20 in the world, David Price 26!
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Memphis
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ross
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Fenster
Shit fight, but you don't get paid for doing fuck all. I would have thought they would've got someone a bit bigger if they're so certain they'll be facing Wlad soon
Bigger doesn't mean better.
Name a better opponent for feb 28th.
Why not the man who chinned Hammer out? A less mobile version of Wlad who Fury probably couldn't knock out with a cricket bat, perfect.
Mariusz Wach is ranked 44 in the world.
Christian Hammer is ranked 11.
These are boxrec independent rankings. Hammer is ranked higher than any of those fighters mentioned.
Ricly Hatton wont let Brown fight Chambers let alone Fury. David Price has got a job to get in the ring with journeymen.
Ranking isnt end all to worthiness. Ranking dont mean shit sometimes bra.
Lucas browne is more dangerous than hamer and so is price.
If Brown and Price are so dangerous why are they still fighting nobodies and journeymen?
They are being matched carefully against low level fighters because they have big limitations.
Who is the highest ranked either has beaten?
Rankings do mean something, especially the boxrec ones as they are independent and worked out by a scoring system. The reason hammer is far ahead of any of those others is because he has been beating much better fighters!
Ranking doesn't mean anything? Thats like saying "just because hes a better fighter, doesn't make him a better fighter!!!!!"
;D
Rankings DEFINITELY do not always mean much, clearly better fighters are often ranked below shitter ones and boxrecs scoring system is obviously flawed in this regard.
IBO rankings are more legit as are Ring and fight News rankings but there are no ideal ways to rank fighters really.
Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
Boxrec are the fairest. Its a scoring system. Its not a sanctioning body or magazine with influence that make money.
As for height, Tysons 6th opponent Scott Belshaw is 6.7" Tyson fought him when Scott only had one loss and on points, he had a record of 10.1.0.
Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
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ross
Boxrec are the fairest. Its a scoring system. Its not a sanctioning body or magazine with influence that make money.
As for height, Tysons 6th opponent Scott Belshaw is 6.7" Tyson fought him when Scott only had one loss and on points, he had a record of 10.1.0.
Boxrec is demonstratably among the worst. It artificially constructs ratings to put the most popular boxers at the top obviously through a scoring system that does not make any sense at all.
Have you actually read the rules that Boxrec applies?
Browne is obviously a more dangerous and much better opponent than Hammer you fool!
Fury is not ALLOWED to fight Browne for that reason!
The IBO might be a sanctioning body but it's entire purpose was designed to specify who the REAL champion is as opposed to the corruption of the major bodies. Since atleast one of the champs of the major 4 are the REAL champ, for this reason the IBO belt is normally always tied up with a major belt also.
Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
Boxrec have 46-year-old Antonio Tarver rated as the 7th best heavyweight in the world. He's had TWO fights at the weight - Mike Sheppard (21-15-1) and Johnathon Banks (29-2-1).
Unless you can explain exactly why that is fair, I suggest you never bring up boxrec rankings again.
Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
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Fenster
Boxrec have 46-year-old Antonio Tarver rated as the 7th best heavyweight in the world. He's had TWO fights at the weight - Mike Sheppard (21-15-1) and Johnathon Banks (29-2-1).
Unless you can explain exactly why that is fair, I suggest you never bring up boxrec rankings again.
Jonothan banks is better than anyone Wilder, Browne and Price have faced. Its also how he beat him. Pretty easily.
Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
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Max Power
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ross
Boxrec are the fairest. Its a scoring system. Its not a sanctioning body or magazine with influence that make money.
As for height, Tysons 6th opponent Scott Belshaw is 6.7" Tyson fought him when Scott only had one loss and on points, he had a record of 10.1.0.
Boxrec is demonstratably among the worst. It artificially constructs ratings to put the most popular boxers at the top obviously through a scoring system that does not make any sense at all.
Have you actually read the rules that Boxrec applies?
Browne is obviously a more dangerous and much better opponent than Hammer you fool!
Fury is not ALLOWED to fight Browne for that reason!
The IBO might be a sanctioning body but it's entire purpose was designed to specify who the REAL champion is as opposed to the corruption of the major bodies. Since atleast one of the champs of the major 4 are the REAL champ, for this reason the IBO belt is normally always tied up with a major belt also.
No wonder everyone thinks you're a prick. You know fuck all.
Show me what makes Browne more dangerous than Hammer;D
Hughie Fury is going to piss on your chips. Tyson Furys little cousin and sparring partner is going to beat Brownes best opponent much easier than Browne managed.
Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
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ross
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Fenster
Boxrec have 46-year-old Antonio Tarver rated as the 7th best heavyweight in the world. He's had TWO fights at the weight - Mike Sheppard (21-15-1) and Johnathon Banks (29-2-1).
Unless you can explain exactly why that is fair, I suggest you never bring up boxrec rankings again.
Jonothan banks is better than anyone Wilder, Browne and Price have faced. Its also how he beat him. Pretty easily.
Jonathon Banks best wins are Eliseo Castillo who can't punch a hole through the surface tension of water and Seth Mitchell who doesn't even know how to box and can't take a hard punch either.
He has never been a major contender and never will be because he is the trainer of Wladimir Klitschko.
Antonio Tarver is a veteran boxer and was a multiple champ at sub HW but his credibility at HW was non-existent and he climbed the rankings to the top 10 by beating an unranked and irrelevant opponent.
WTF is wrong with you?
I once wrote an article "What the heck, Boxrec" I will try find it LOL
Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
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ross
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Fenster
Boxrec have 46-year-old Antonio Tarver rated as the 7th best heavyweight in the world. He's had TWO fights at the weight - Mike Sheppard (21-15-1) and Johnathon Banks (29-2-1).
Unless you can explain exactly why that is fair, I suggest you never bring up boxrec rankings again.
Jonothan banks is better than anyone Wilder, Browne and Price have faced. Its also how he beat him. Pretty easily.
Okay... so beating Banks, who was coming off a loss, justifies being rated the 7th best fighter in the world? If the win is that impressive then why is Seth Mitchell, the man that beat Banks before Tarver, not currently rated in the top 100 by Boxrec? Chris Arreola, the man that knocked Seth Mitchell out in 1 round, is currently ranked 19th.
Jonathan Banks DREW with Jason Gavern.
Lucas Browne knocked Gavern out in round 3 and Wilder knocked Gavern out in round 4. Michael Sprott beat Gavern. Anthony Joshua destroyed Sprott in one round.
So why is Banks better than them? And how does Tarver's win make him a top ten heavyweight?
Re: Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer
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Fenster
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ross
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Fenster
Boxrec have 46-year-old Antonio Tarver rated as the 7th best heavyweight in the world. He's had TWO fights at the weight - Mike Sheppard (21-15-1) and Johnathon Banks (29-2-1).
Unless you can explain exactly why that is fair, I suggest you never bring up boxrec rankings again.
Jonothan banks is better than anyone Wilder, Browne and Price have faced. Its also how he beat him. Pretty easily.
Okay... so beating Banks, who was coming off a loss, justifies being rated the 7th best fighter in the world? If the win is that impressive then why is Seth Mitchell, the man that beat Banks before Tarver, not currently rated in the top 100 by Boxrec? Chris Arreola, the man that knocked Seth Mitchell out in 1 round, is currently ranked 19th.
Jonathan Banks
DREW with Jason Gavern.
Lucas Browne knocked Gavern out in
round 3 and Wilder knocked Gavern out in
round 4. Michael Sprott beat Gavern. Anthony Joshua destroyed Sprott in one round.
So why is Banks better than them? And how does Tarver's win make him a top ten heavyweight?
Ok, I never noticed Tarver has gone to 7! That is daft. Top 30 maybe top 20. They must have used points from his light heavy career. Theres no way he should be higher than Cunningham thats for sure.
Maybe I stand corrected but it would also be a fact if Browne were to face Hammer that would be his best opponent by a mile and Hammer would stand every chance of winning.
