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I rate Sweetpea lower then Mayweather but if he had to move as many weight classes as Mayweather he be fighting like fucking Hopkins. Also later in his career he had to go against Prime Oscar and Tito i mean dont think the divsion is as stacked now for Mayweather at the end of his career.
I love Sweetpea and I rate him higher on the all time list than most people do I imagine.
The performances he put on against DLH and Trinidad have to be admired, given the fact that he was a washed up coke addict at the time, and there's even an argument that he won the DLH fight. Trinidad ducked him for years and fought him when he was a shell of himself. People talk about Floyd ducking and dodging guys, how come Tito doesn't get shit for turning down 4.5 mil to fight Trinidad in the mid 90s?
I dont think Mayweather is ducker really just way shit goes now and not like others fighters dont look at the options choose the one with more money. Its just at the end of the day ww division was kinda weak compared to the 90's. I mean look at the guys in the division now there good but not really great i mean pac had a few good wins at ww Mayweather had more and legit wins at lmw to but guys they are fighting on there declines are not close to fight fucking Prime Oscar and Tito those guys are atg.
Marciano did one thing better and in half the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Well Pea had a loss 3 or 4 years into his career (to be fair, it was a robbery). He was a great LW and WW champ, but again he didn't do what Floyd did (5 weight division vs 3 weight divisions), and I don't really see how you can say he did it "better". Sweetpea was amazing but Floyd showed more skill, he had much more electrifying performances along the way (mostly from 130-140) and he fought and won in a lot more super fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
At this point there is nobody in the history of boxing that has done what Floyd has.
I'm not saying Marciano was better than Floyd, I just can't let you get away with that last sentence.
It's the reason I'm positive Floyd will go for 50-0! If he doesn't, there will always be someone out there like me.
Yea but Whitaker had a few off nights, floyds never had an off night and didn't Whitaker take so much punishment he's now blind in one eye ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
For sure Marciano had a great run, but to me the number of wins isn't the issue, Mayweather could go fight two bums on the same night in September and reach 50-0 if he wanted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
It's much more remarkable to stay undefeated for 19 years than it is to stay defeated for 8 years. There's so much that can go wrong in that length of time, and for Mayweather to have that kind of longevity and to beat arguably his greatest opponent at the age of 38 is something that you just don't see in boxing.
Of course there are guys who had success for longer periods of time, like Bhop, Archie Moore and Duran, but none of those guys had the level of dominance that Floyd has had.
Tito turning down Trinidad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Oops Whitaker I meant haha
Sweat pea was flawless and never had off nights in his prime which was lightweight. He was robbed and would have had a 0 but he had balls to take on Oscar, Tito and Vasquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3Yea but Whitaker had a few off nights, floyds never had an off night and didn't Whitaker take so much punishment he's now blind in one eye ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Floyd is the TBE (the boring-est ever)
ITs amazing how many people are caught up with the Floyd hit and not get hit shit. He has been booed his last 5-6 fights cause he never engages. SHit is sad.
No he did have off nights he's got a few loses wether you think he won or not that's fact and don't start about being in his prime floyds a fair bit past his prime he's an old man in a young guys sport and he's still having shutouts against the up and coming superstars like canelo. Floyds achievements are way above Whitaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSweat pea was flawless and never had off nights in his prime which was lightweight. He was robbed and would have had a 0 but he had balls to take on Oscar, Tito and Vasquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3Yea but Whitaker had a few off nights, floyds never had an off night and didn't Whitaker take so much punishment he's now blind in one eye ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I agree Floyd is past his prime which was at the lower weight. Floyd would have lost his 0 if he was fighting legitimate welterweights like Tito, Ike and Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3No he did have off nights he's got a few loses wether you think he won or not that's fact and don't start about being in his prime floyds a fair bit past his prime he's an old man in a young guys sport and he's still having shutouts against the up and coming superstars like canelo. Floyds achievements are way above Whitaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSweat pea was flawless and never had off nights in his prime which was lightweight. He was robbed and would have had a 0 but he had balls to take on Oscar, Tito and Vasquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3Yea but Whitaker had a few off nights, floyds never had an off night and didn't Whitaker take so much punishment he's now blind in one eye ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
No way he loses to any of them it's just my opinion but I honestly just don't see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI agree Floyd is past his prime which was at the lower weight. Floyd would have lost his 0 if he was fighting legitimate welterweights like Tito, Ike and Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3No he did have off nights he's got a few loses wether you think he won or not that's fact and don't start about being in his prime floyds a fair bit past his prime he's an old man in a young guys sport and he's still having shutouts against the up and coming superstars like canelo. Floyds achievements are way above Whitaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSweat pea was flawless and never had off nights in his prime which was lightweight. He was robbed and would have had a 0 but he had balls to take on Oscar, Tito and Vasquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3Yea but Whitaker had a few off nights, floyds never had an off night and didn't Whitaker take so much punishment he's now blind in one eye ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
The reason why I say Floyd loses to those guys is because they are true welterweights not blown up ones coming from lower weights so I am not disrespecting Floyd the cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3No way he loses to any of them it's just my opinion but I honestly just don't see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI agree Floyd is past his prime which was at the lower weight. Floyd would have lost his 0 if he was fighting legitimate welterweights like Tito, Ike and Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3No he did have off nights he's got a few loses wether you think he won or not that's fact and don't start about being in his prime floyds a fair bit past his prime he's an old man in a young guys sport and he's still having shutouts against the up and coming superstars like canelo. Floyds achievements are way above Whitaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSweat pea was flawless and never had off nights in his prime which was lightweight. He was robbed and would have had a 0 but he had balls to take on Oscar, Tito and Vasquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3Yea but Whitaker had a few off nights, floyds never had an off night and didn't Whitaker take so much punishment he's now blind in one eye ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Oscar I can see but not Ike or Tito.