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1998 - simeone went through the back of beckham at high speed, should have at least been booked, then becks leg travelled 6 inches, that ref had a history of aweful decisions including sending offs
and even then we scored legitimate golden goal which the same shocking ref ruled out
so yep, shocking sending off and refereeing display as a whole
England the expectations are high and it's players the results are pretty poor. Talented individuals that can't play as a team managers that could not do anything with talented players pretty poor.
Wales a few good players but they showed some passion and hunger, they had some good results.
Wales supporters don't have high expectations but they done well.
Now this is were it changes all of sudden expectations are high.!
The last result was a draw they got slagged off by supporters, there nothing so fickle as football supporters true.!
The eternal optimist in me saw me watch an hour of the game last night before turning over to watch a Wheeler Dealer repeat. Once again totally woeful, unable to do the basics, no one wanting to take responsibility. I think my future criteria for watching England is this. Watch full of hope, as soon as I see Gary fucking Cahill striding towards the half way line looking for someone to pass to and every other England shirt doing their best job of running away/hiding, thats when I switch off.
Simeone should've been booked and if Beckham hadn't petulantly flicked out , he would've been. But it doesn't change the fact that Beckham had to have a red. Come on Eric, we've seen guys get reds for "touching" people's faces with their heads, way less intent than that . And a goal that should've stood. That's the whole sum of England's bad luck over 50 years is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Realism mate.
i don't agree, there are plenty of occasions when people lash out a lot worse than that and don't see red and with the magnitude of the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSimeone should've been booked and if Beckham hadn't petulantly flicked out , he would've been. But it doesn't change the fact that Beckham had to have a red. Come on Eric, we've seen guys get reds for "touching" people's faces with their heads, way less intent than that . And a goal that should've stood. That's the whole sum of England's bad luck over 50 years is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Realism mate.
it was a shocking sending off and the fact that simeone wasn't even booked make it clear the ref was incapable, only defeatist englishmen would disagree, and then the golden goal?
theres a fine line of lucky and unlucky that wins a major tourney and England haven't had it
carvalios stamp on rooney in 2004 was just as bad as rooneys stamp on carvalio in 2006, rooney is sent off carvalio isnt
I think England needs to focus on team and not individual stars. This same issue came up with USA basketball. For so long we just had so much talent nobody could touch us but there came a time when the players weren't all pulling in the same direction. When that happens you go back to basics and eventually stars humble themselves (in order to get back in the side) and play as a team.
Guys like Milner, Vardy, Barry, your blue collar workhorses those guys make teams successful more often than the superstars.
Look at Portugal, CR7 doesn't do it all by himself. There are unsung heroes on that team. Messi doesn't have that on his Argentina team he's needed it.
I can't remember Carvalho stamping on Rooney in 2004?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i don't agree, there are plenty of occasions when people lash out a lot worse than that and don't see red and with the magnitude of the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSimeone should've been booked and if Beckham hadn't petulantly flicked out , he would've been. But it doesn't change the fact that Beckham had to have a red. Come on Eric, we've seen guys get reds for "touching" people's faces with their heads, way less intent than that . And a goal that should've stood. That's the whole sum of England's bad luck over 50 years is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Realism mate.
it was a shocking sending off and the fact that simeone wasn't even booked make it clear the ref was incapable, only defeatist englishmen would disagree, and then the golden goal?
theres a fine line of lucky and unlucky that wins a major tourney and England haven't had it
carvalios stamp on rooney in 2004 was just as bad as rooneys stamp on carvalio in 2006, rooney is sent off carvalio isnt
I do not know why Coleen his wife got offended by her husband being criticised and her 6 year old son having to hear it on radio. Rooney has done far worse to embarrass his family.
I'm not really a big fan of football, still less the self-entitled, arrogant chavvy mediocrities that have played for England in the last 15 years or so. Wealth and status way beyond they deserve, a sport run by a greedy and corrupt gerontocracy and with 'fans' too stupid to realise exactly how much they are being ripped off and played for fools.
Rooney was a good footballer when he was younger (not a great one, and not one who would have walked into many top international teams). He made lots of mistakes along the way, but he had matured into a quite a selflesss team player and he seems to be reacting to his ageing quite gracefully.
Still, he was just another hugely overrated player playing in the worlds most overrated club and international teams.
Not for one second do I have sympathy for Rooney or any other overpaid and overrated footballer, but please don't try to tell me that apart from the snidey remarks you made, you can't understand why a Mum would be upset that her 6 year old son is basically Hearing his Dad being called a cunt by people .Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Rooney takes a lot of shit considering he's been England's best player of the last 15 years. But hey, I don't pity him.
I thought he was being labelled old and past it. 6 year old can know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNot for one second do I have sympathy for Rooney or any other overpaid and overrated footballer, but please don't try to tell me that apart from the snidey remarks you made, you can't understand why a Mum would be upset that her 6 year old son is basically Hearing his Dad being called a cunt by people .Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Rooney takes a lot of shit considering he's been England's best player of the last 15 years. But hey, I don't pity him.
Rooney really was great for a few months around euro 2004 time, he was hugely impressive in that tourney, then he goes and scores a hat trick after being out injured for months with his broken foot on his debut for man united, in the champions league too.. amazing. He never really improved from that though. I don't think he has been overrated, well except in his teenage days but to be fair he was playing up to the hype back then, he has had a pretty great career, top scorer for england he could end up being man uniteds all time top scorer too, scored in a champions league final too, I guess his performances for england in major tournaments have been a disappointment since 2004 though, although he was lacking fitness in 2006 due to an injury before the world cup and england have been pretty poor since 2004 so it's not all rooneys fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
That was his peak just as Owen's was 98 up to 01ish where he scored those goals against Arsnela in the FA cup final.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqRooney really was great for a few months around euro 2004 time, he was hugely impressive in that tourney, then he goes and scores a hat trick after being out injured for months with his broken foot on his debut for man united, in the champions league too.. amazing. He never really improved from that though. I don't think he has been overrated, well except in his teenage days but to be fair he was playing up to the hype back then, he has had a pretty great career, top scorer for england he could end up being man uniteds all time top scorer too, scored in a champions league final too, I guess his performances for england in major tournaments have been a disappointment since 2004 though, although he was lacking fitness in 2006 due to an injury before the world cup and england have been pretty poor since 2004 so it's not all rooneys fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
yes he never seemed to push on after that, I guess his body matured very quickly and guys weren't ready for someone like him, it seems like he has slowed down a bit now after his long career and isnt having the same success, still a pretty smart and skillful player though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
owen did have some pretty bad injuries during his career.
When Owen's hamstrings went so did his career. He made some good money after at Real and Newcastle.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqyes he never seemed to push on after that, I guess his body matured very quickly and guys weren't ready for someone like him, it seems like he has slowed down a bit now after his long career and isnt having the same success, still a pretty smart and skillful player though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
owen did have some pretty bad injuries during his career.