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You have to judge the versions of Naz and Floyd back then not now with their full career stamped. Naz was already past his pomp by 2000 and Floyd wasn't a superstar. However, no way Floyd is making 126 without killing himself.
Naz would've knocked Floyd the fug out. Brutal sleeper KO inside three rounds. Augie Sanchez beat Floyd, look what Naz did to him.
Whoomp there it is!
Two guys going in different directions physically and mentally at that point. Floyd still had a chip on his shoulder and his hands and pop compared to speed and accuracy of Kelly, Sanchez or Barrera who all spun and stunned Naz would be lasting. Then again..Augustus has to be similar awkward to Hamed. Minus the instant brick but he connected often with earlier Floyd. Floyd spanks him.
Floyd to Hamed , " There you go I believe I need to hand you this back " - :bootyshake:
Naz was such an unorthodox and gifted fighter, and he could knock you silly with one shot. Naz reminded me of a smaller, less disciplined Roy Jones Jr., who could not only move fast and hit hard, but would throw hard punches from ridiculous angles and positions that you wouldn't see coming. During his best, at 122/126, he would've been a handful for most.
The reality of this match up, however, is that Floyd was just too damn good and had some impressive physical gifts himself (especially at 130). I see Floyd hesitant for the first few rounds, and then coming on through the mid to late rounds to take the wide decision. He would counter Naz silly, punish him with his jab, and walk him down in the latter stages of the fight. Bad match up for the Prince.
Good old Fenny. Can always be reined to make a case with a few massaged stats and a bit of lateral debating skill that can make you totally ignore what you actually see with your own eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Btw , loving the " Augie Sanchez"effort. I hear they're bringing a new World HW Title out of the "REAL" champion , and Magomedrasul Majidov is fighting Dillian Whyte. ;)
Well at least I offer something different, even if tongue in cheek.
Naz ducked Marquez will forever be the gospel among boxing fans because he was the WBO manadtory, however, it's a bona-fide fact that Marquez turned down the Naz fight. This is completely ignored though as it doesn't suit the narrative.
The very same fans today that criticise fighters for not facing the best, unifying belts, clearing out divisions, would have criticised Naz back then for facing Marquez. Anyone that "knew" Marquez was an all-time great before he even won a "world" title and was stinking the joint out "losing" to Freddy Norwood is talking bollocks.
another prime example of a mayweather ducking
we'll never know who would have won because there was too much risk of mayweather losing
doesn't that say it all?
Understand where you're coming from, but the Marquez point , although I'm sure is valid wasn't the case in point it was about Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
So Floyd ducked Naz now did he? not how I remember it, I've got to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
From what I remember , And correct me if I'm wrong, But Floyd wanted Naz, . Naz was Featherweight , Floyd was a Lightweight , which is a 4 Lb difference. Floyd offered to come down 2 Lbs if Naz came up 2 Lbs. Warren said no. Floyd was a young brash up and comer and Warren was protecting the Crown Jewels.
If I'm wrong , I'm happy to be corrected.;)
9 stones (126lb) is the featherweight limit and 9 stone 9lb (135lb) is the lightweight limit.
In the period of time that their careers intersected, they were on completely different trajectories.
Naz started off as a freak ..... he had unbelievable reflexes, confidence, he genuinely liked to hurt people, and he had eye opening power.
By the time that Floyd was on the scene, he was parting company with the trainers who created him, was shirking training and his reflexes had begun to deteriorate (and once that happened, he didn't have the ingrained technique to get away with it). He was also, in my view, fighting well above the weight he should have been.
Later on, Floyd was a true master boxer with superb technique, great ring generalship and a formidable array of weapons at his disposal. Early on though, he was unproven and he left himself much more open to being countered as he was much more aggressive.
If they had fought each other AT THAT time, I think Floyd would have prevailed. It wouldn't have been an easy fight, but he would be a lot bigger than Naz and at some point The Prince would have found his power wouldn't carry up. There would be a fair bit of risk to Floyd at this stage, but he was a hungry guy on the way up then. I think he was just better schooled and trained than Naseem was.
If you picked a hypothetical matchup between the two, based on them at their respective peaks, then there is no contest for me. Mayweather dominates, defuses Naz and makes him look stupid for twelve rather boring rounds,
I meant Jr. Lightweight clever bollocks! 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
You never wrote that numb nuts. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI meant Jr. Lightweight clever bollocks! 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Floyd ducked Duran as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Yeah, bad style match up for Floyd! 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by impFloyd ducked Duran as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Apparently both Sugar Rays wanted a 3 way tournament to see who the ATG was, but Floyd turned them down because he insisted on being the "A" side!