I don't think he's the savior of the division but the heavies are wide open & he could make some noise. I excited about the move & thats what Haye will bring to the division... a whole lot of excitement!!!
Win or lose it'll be fun to watch I'm sure
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I don't think he's the savior of the division but the heavies are wide open & he could make some noise. I excited about the move & thats what Haye will bring to the division... a whole lot of excitement!!!
Win or lose it'll be fun to watch I'm sure
It's always nice to have fresh meat in the division hopefully some young guys can start making noise.
David Haye
Chazz Witherspoon
Odlanier Solis
Alexander Dimitrenko
Eddie Chambers - if he threw some goddamned punches he'd be awesome
Alex Povetkin
Cris Arreola
Travis Walker
and fellow cruiserweight Jonathan Banks
All those guys are young and COULD help refresh the division which is still running on the fumes of Rahman, Holyfield, Golota, etc
Well it would appear it is just as good given his only fight at Heavy was a 1st round KO.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
He's had to stay in training camp for 9 months just to be comfortable at cruiser so i would say he is more made to be a heavyweight.
He walks round like a heavyweight. He looked faster and sharper at heavyweight.
I don't see a heavyweight with enough technical ability and ko power, who can take advantage of his low left hand......other than Wlad. That was my point. I think his chin would most probably be stronger at a more comfortable weight and i see him landing a bomb on fighters like Sultan, Oleg, Chagaev etc much quicker than i see them landing one on him.
I don't see the problem personally. I can't wait for this adventure.
I dont care if Haye is or isnt going to be the saviour of the heavyweight division. All I know is that he is going to go in there and try to rip the head off the shoulders of the guy across the ring, and he wont take any soft touches, kill or be killed all the way.....I cant wait.
I'll go with the idea that I'm not sure he's the savior of the heavyweight division but I can't wait to see him get in the mix. I worry about the chin/defense factor but...an exciting heavyweight :o
Seriously? Can't think of a worse comparison, the only fighters out there are that are comparable to Guinn are Audley Harrison and Timur Ibragimov. Even Sam Peter, Wlad, Sultan, Valuev, etc aren't as boring as Guinn.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Italian Stallion
I thought the Haye/Hide comparison was pathetic Haye/Guinn is pure comedy :lolhaha:
Always realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I can't wait to see what Haye can do to that load of old rubbish.
There is no one savior of the division. It's going to take a team of HWs cleaning up the trash then fighting one another in heated battles to get the public's attention like they used to. Pretty much you're going to need 3 or 4 or 4 or 5 Klitschko and Peter level fighters. That means not just the ability, but the power and being a natural attraction for the public. Other than those two no one is really noticing anyone else in the division.
Wait til you get a Jonathan Banks up at HW or Chris Arreola, or whatever his name is (see what I mean?) and these guys get a couple high profile, tough fights. It's coming, but it just seems so slow right now.
We have an exciting heavyweight but as long as he is with Don King he won't be fighting anytime soon, Lamon Brewster.
Lamon Brewster? You kidding me? So far as I'm concerned that guy is retired. What heavyweight will he be a challenge for? The guy's concerned with keeping enough marbles to have a conversation with his kid and with his style he's got to be all or nothing.
Some of the greatest Heavyweights of all time held there left hand low, aka Larry Holmes, Muhammad Ali, Lennox Lewis, just to name a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
... You have got to be kidding me... look what happened to Haye against Thompson... Also tell me again what Sanders' and Brewster's ko% in the heavyweights is again? Yeah thats what I thought, both of them hit harder than Haye, and thats not the point. Klitschko doesn't fight like he used to, haye would never find the oppertunity to hit Klitschko, and he sure as hell couldn't handle Wlad's power. If Haye even gets to Wlad, which he could, he will be beaten for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
The only chance that Haye has against Wlad is that he is taller than any of the other fast guys Wlad hs foughten and he's a little faster than the punchers Wlad has faced as well, but Wlad is the best fighter I've ever seen at nullifying speed. He uses his height reach, and intelligence to keep you from getting in. He knows the distance on his jab so well that I can't see Haye getting close enough to land a hard right, and I also don't see Haye having the defensive skills to stop Wladimir from landing whatever he would want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Can't see how you can say the guy hasn't the skills - technically and ability wise he has everything.
He is entertaining and skillful. He always has been since his amateur days. His speed has always been his main asset along with reflex's. The power is what everyone notices and seem to ignore his undoubted skills.
As for overlooking flaws - possibly but people keeping on about stamina when he has been weight drained yet had no stamina problems in stopping Mormeck in 7 and Fragomeni in 9 - where were the stamina problems then?
What happened in his 11th fight is irrelevant to the fighter he is now - his lifestyle is no longer partying 24/7, as he has settled down and is training hard which was proven by him getting down in weight and losing 30lbs of muscle to win then defend the Cruiserweight titles.
The shit served up by Wladimir Klitschko the other day was just further proof that the guy is overhyped by some fans - I can't see what is so special about him and I having seen at least 20 of his fights - I know I ain't missing anything. Infact the guy is getting worse.
Even if Haye fails it sounds like you would prefer to watch Klitschko slap jab his way to victory over a completely shot Lamon Brewster and then a nobody champion like Ibragimov - if that's how you like your Heavyweight Champions then so be it. I'd rather watch Haye fight.
Completely disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Klitschko is completely gunshy nowadays and hides behind the jab against average heavyweights. Haye will land at will due to him being vastly quicker and more agile than Wladimir. Speed Kills and when Haye detonates his faster hands on Wladimir he'll spark him out.
The hardest part will be getting Klitschko in the ring - I highly doubt he'll step upto face Haye. He can't take real Heavyweight Power and Haye has more of that than anyone else around.
LOL!!! Who are these top 4-5 fighters you speak of:rolleyes: After Wlad and Peter none of them are worth a crap for the most partQuote:
Originally Posted by noskill
Thats bs... Speed doesn't nullify height, watch Leonard-Hearns, Mosley-Forrest... Unless the fast guy has unique skills(like RJJ, PBF, etc) they won't be able to beat a taller guy of equal skill. Also Wladimir isn't gunshy all the of the time watch him against Byrd the second fight(who is faster than haye, but still coudln't land to Wlad's head), watch him against Peter, or against Brewster, he threw more punches than heavyweights have for a while now. His hesistants is all the more reason why haye won't stand a chance because Wlad is so skilled defensively, the jab nullifies that right hand, especially when Wladimir is throwing it from his 6'6-6'7 vantage point. Second haye isn't vastly quicker than Klitshcko who has very has hands(he is definitely faster than Enzo). its not me saying this but brooks(who taught both Wlad and Tyson) said that Wladimir has faster hands than Tyson when he trained him. Regardless, a better defensive fighter in Ibrigamov couldn't avoid Klitschko's punches nor Chris Byrd the first time they fought then Haye couldn't avoid Klitschko's punches, and there is no reason to believe Haye has any better of a chin p4p than Klitschko let alone him being able to survive what Klitschko dishes out... Haye would be fighting a bigger, better, and more experienced fighter than himself, who definitely hits harder than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Just you saying Ibragimov is a nobody leads me to believe you have no idea what you are talking about. He is a fast, solid puncher, who is a southpaw and had an extensive amateur career in Russia. Klitschko hardly slaps with his jab, he lands that jab as hard as anybody has ever landed a jab (including Louis, Foreman, Liston, etc). If you have seen 20 Klitschko fights, and you aren't impressed than David Haye shouldn't impress you at all because despite the fact he is skilled, he isnt' as skilled as Klitshcko, he doesn't have the defensive skills, or the arsenal of punches Wlad used to use, but DOESN'T have to right now. What Wlad against Mercer and if you aren't impressed by how good he is there then your an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Haye is an exciting heavyweight prospect who has just come along at the right time - and the way he fights is only going to generate interest
Let's face it - look at the top ten heavies and apart from Wlad and Peter you'd defo pick him against any of them
does anyone know if haye has a longer reach than most as he looked long armed to me and whatever happened to valuev i heard he was unbeatable
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Why are you using a completely shot Brewster as an example? The guy had eye damage going into the fight and should have been medically retired - yet your making it out like Klitschko deserves an award for beating him.
As for Byrd is that the same guy that got brutalised by Ike Ibeabuchi in 5 rounds - how come Klitschko took so long to do what Ike already did.
Sam Peter has the speed of a hippo so again whats your point.
Speed will certainly be Haye's huge advantage over Klitschko along with Haye having reflex's that aren't like a robots.
As for Leonard-Hearns, Mosley-Forrest very true but we are talking Heavyweights here not Welterweights.
Klitschko has not got fast hands and he is very robotic. Were you one of the many on here that was laughably suggesting that Enzo was quicker than Haye. Alot of people are chatting about these fighters without having seen many of their fights and with little seeming knowledge of the fighters background etc.
I cannot believe you have nearly 4,000 posts and you come out with that. Haye got beat by Carl Thompson, a world chamipon who he fought in his 11th pro fight and he was winning until he GASSED OUT. Wlad Klitchsko got brutally KO'd by Sanders, Corrie Sanders is a bum seen in his last fight, he was a WBU champion which says it all and he knocked Wlad the fuck out and Sanders got KNFO himself by Rahman. Haye has more power than Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster, if you think Haye will be hitting twice has hard at heavy and your chatting shit by saying Sanders has more power than Haye, no fuckin way and Wlad's chin is awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
David Haye KO'd a heavyweight monster in Tomasz Bonin in just over a minute knocking him down 3 times and he has 20 KO's in 21 wins so work that percentage out ;).
I can't wait till this fight happens (Unless Wlad ducks him) as Haye will knock 2 shades of shit out of Klitchs "Shit scared to go for the" ko.
Corrie Sanders wasn't bum at the point in his career, and seen as a dangerous prospect in the sport, How can you say a guy who is considered a hard puncher at heavywegiht can't punch harder than Haye? Rahman knocked out Sanders before he ever faced Wladimir. Besides whether Haye or Sanders hits harder it doesn't matter. Wladimir has really improved his defense over the past few years into one of the best in the sport. And he tired himself out against both Purity and Brewster because up until the point he got knocked out he was landing everything agaisnt Brewester and dominating that fight. Regardless of all this, Haye won't win, he is really good, but Wladimir is better, they both have the same weaknesses and the same strenghts. Only Wlad is naturally a lot bigger, and he has a lot better technique. I don't see how people can see that Wlad has chin problmes without saying Haye has obvious chin problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
I think Haye is Vlad's worst nightmare*. He's probably faster, he's got the same reach and he hits really hard. Vlad isn't going to be able to win just with his jab and he's going to have to fight. We might actually get to see him in a great fight.
*Other than Corrie Sanders, obviously.
Who says Wlad doesn't have fast hands.....if he didn't have fast hands wouldn't everyone avoid that jab of his or the right cross????
Wlad has good handspeed and as long as he fights tall it's going to be hard for anyone to catch him.
You guys just go right ahead and give Haye some high expectations considering he fought a CRUISERWEIGHT and KO'd him. I hope he does well at heavyweight because the division needs some new faces but I highly doubt he beats Wlad.
Sanders has always been Mediocre at best his face is his biggest defensive weapon and he trains on the Golf course and has heavy hands.. He beat Wlad cause he had a punchers chance... Corrie is no bum but a full time golfer part time Boxer dont equal legitimate contender.. Haye has 20x the upside to Corrie SandersQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Well at least he's guaranteed an audience!
DUDE if you want to make a point stop contradicting yourself. You want us to not use Haye's fight years ago against Thompson and say it doesnt count yet you get to use Wladimer's loss to Sanders as if he hasnt improved since then as an example for why Haye would beat him?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
You can't have it both ways ;)
You're already sleeping on a guy who even if you were correct (and you're not) has the same KO percentage as that of Mike Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Unless David Haye has a horseshoe up his ass or suddenly becomes a defensive master of boxing then he's going to get the crap beaten out of him and yes he will be KO'd....please watch, I want you to watch with horror as thunderous punches rain down on David Haye from the rafters and bludgeon him until he's a greasey spot on the canvas
Finish saving your last division and fight cunningham before you grab your cape and try to save another. Just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Saddo
Interesting thing is....he made the weight piss easily for Enzo and the whole speech (post Mormeck) 'It killed me to get down to Cruiser etc' was just bait to get Warren and Enzo thinking they were gonna have a crack at a drained Haye and they fell for it hook,line and sinker;D
Not even Adam Booth knew why Haye was saying this after the Mormeck fight but it worked a treat and they (Haye) fooled everyone of us;)
Bonin was the fella he spanked at Heavy and Haye nearly took his head off with a jab in the opening 30 secs and Bonin was no mug if you look at his record and ranked 11th or something,Haye will do some serious damage at HEavy i'm sure but i just wonder if his chin can take a Klitchko or Peter sized whack:confused:
Time will tell but im 100% positive he can bring one of the belts back in the next few years and i think they are going for Rahman then possibly two fights away from a shot :cool:
The division is tailor made for him though and his speed and accuracy should get him their.
Devastating power against Enzo who for me looked terrified on his ring walk,Terrified that he was up against a full strength Haye and not the drained one he thought he'd be fighting.
I bet my brother that Haye would take him in the second as i knew (after seeing Hobson nearly beat Enzo first time round on the Lacy v Calzaghe undercard) that Enzo's chin was well suspect and HAye bangs 10 times that of Hobson:)
Haye made an absolute fortune as well beating Enzo and he can relight the Heavies with his abilities,look and nice attitude.
So i agree that he can and will bring the Heavies back to the masses but really are their any potential classics that spring to mind?
I completely disagree. Haye feels he is not a big cruiserweight moving up but rather a legitimate heavyweight who fought below his natural weight class to win titles in two divisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Prime Tyson only weighed 215 lbs and nobody has hit harder in the last 20 years.
Prime David Haye weighs around the same and he'll still have hellacious power at heavyweight.
The division is hardly stacked with talent so Haye is a most welcome addition.
It's a stretch to say he's the saviour of the heavyweight division but discounting the Canadian Lennox Lewis Haye is probably the most exciting British heavyweight since Frank Bruno and quite frankly that is good enough for me.
I think he's arrogant and irritating but he will fight anybody and can lay out anybody if he connects with that big punch.
He's got to be a top 15 p4p fighter now, to go the backyard of the Ring champion in the division and knock him out in 7 rounds then defend against a fellow world champ and huge domestic rival and blow him away in 2 rounds is a momentous feat.
This kid should be getting the same recognition that Kelly Pavlik has been getting and I look forward to seeing him in the heavyweight division.
Is there anything wrong in a boxer being arrogant?Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
I am gald he doesnt talk in the third person as much as Lennox Lewis.
I thought Roy Jones Jr. did that the most...I never heard Lennox do itQuote:
Originally Posted by richard (mossley)
Lennox always talked about himself as the third person. Head up his ass.
Haye should move to heavy there is always someone that will say they should be fighting him. He has done enough, time to make some big money and get rid of some lazy, untalented and poor heavies.
I am interested to see him fight Odlanier Solis and see if he can't get over getting beat in the amateurs
there have been times is his career where his stamina was atrocious. his new regime got him doing plyometrics, which he never did in his early years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty