Is David Haye the savior of the heavyweight division?

[WelshDevilRob]

The only chance that Haye has against Wlad is that he is taller than any of the other fast guys Wlad hs foughten and he's a little faster than the punchers Wlad has faced as well, but Wlad is the best fighter I've ever seen at nullifying speed. He uses his height reach, and intelligence to keep you from getting in. He knows the distance on his jab so well that I can't see Haye getting close enough to land a hard right, and I also don't see Haye having the defensive skills to stop Wladimir from landing whatever he would want to.

Completely disagree with you.

Klitschko is completely gunshy nowadays and hides behind the jab against average heavyweights. Haye will land at will due to him being vastly quicker and more agile than Wladimir. Speed Kills and when Haye detonates his faster hands on Wladimir he'll spark him out.

The hardest part will be getting Klitschko in the ring - I highly doubt he'll step upto face Haye. He can't take real Heavyweight Power and Haye has more of that than anyone else around.

[Taeth]

Completely disagree with you.

Klitschko is completely gunshy nowadays and hides behind the jab against average heavyweights. Haye will land at will due to him being vastly quicker and more agile than Wladimir. Speed Kills and when Haye detonates his faster hands on Wladimir he'll spark him out.

The hardest part will be getting Klitschko in the ring - I highly doubt he'll step upto face Haye. He can't take real Heavyweight Power and Haye has more of that than anyone else around.

Thats bs... Speed doesn't nullify height, watch Leonard-Hearns, Mosley-Forrest... Unless the fast guy has unique skills(like RJJ, PBF, etc) they won't be able to beat a taller guy of equal skill. Also Wladimir isn't gunshy all the of the time watch him against Byrd the second fight(who is faster than haye, but still coudln't land to Wlad's head), watch him against Peter, or against Brewster, he threw more punches than heavyweights have for a while now. His hesistants is all the more reason why haye won't stand a chance because Wlad is so skilled defensively, the jab nullifies that right hand, especially when Wladimir is throwing it from his 6'6-6'7 vantage point. Second haye isn't vastly quicker than Klitshcko who has very has hands(he is definitely faster than Enzo). its not me saying this but brooks(who taught both Wlad and Tyson) said that Wladimir has faster hands than Tyson when he trained him. Regardless, a better defensive fighter in Ibrigamov couldn't avoid Klitschko's punches nor Chris Byrd the first time they fought then Haye couldn't avoid Klitschko's punches, and there is no reason to believe Haye has any better of a chin p4p than Klitschko let alone him being able to survive what Klitschko dishes out... Haye would be fighting a bigger, better, and more experienced fighter than himself, who definitely hits harder than him.

[WelshDevilRob]

Thats bs... Speed doesn't nullify height, watch Leonard-Hearns, Mosley-Forrest... Unless the fast guy has unique skills(like RJJ, PBF, etc) they won't be able to beat a taller guy of equal skill. Also Wladimir isn't gunshy all the of the time watch him against Byrd the second fight(who is faster than haye, but still coudln't land to Wlad's head), watch him against Peter, or against Brewster, he threw more punches than heavyweights have for a while now. His hesistants is all the more reason why haye won't stand a chance because Wlad is so skilled defensively, the jab nullifies that right hand, especially when Wladimir is throwing it from his 6'6-6'7 vantage point. Second haye isn't vastly quicker than Klitshcko who has very has hands(he is definitely faster than Enzo). its not me saying this but brooks(who taught both Wlad and Tyson) said that Wladimir has faster hands than Tyson when he trained him. Regardless, a better defensive fighter in Ibrigamov couldn't avoid Klitschko's punches nor Chris Byrd the first time they fought then Haye couldn't avoid Klitschko's punches, and there is no reason to believe Haye has any better of a chin p4p than Klitschko let alone him being able to survive what Klitschko dishes out... Haye would be fighting a bigger, better, and more experienced fighter than himself, who definitely hits harder than him.

Why are you using a completely shot Brewster as an example? The guy had eye damage going into the fight and should have been medically retired - yet your making it out like Klitschko deserves an award for beating him.

As for Byrd is that the same guy that got brutalised by Ike Ibeabuchi in 5 rounds - how come Klitschko took so long to do what Ike already did.

Sam Peter has the speed of a hippo so again whats your point.

Speed will certainly be Haye's huge advantage over Klitschko along with Haye having reflex's that aren't like a robots.

As for Leonard-Hearns, Mosley-Forrest very true but we are talking Heavyweights here not Welterweights.

Klitschko has not got fast hands and he is very robotic. Were you one of the many on here that was laughably suggesting that Enzo was quicker than Haye. Alot of people are chatting about these fighters without having seen many of their fights and with little seeming knowledge of the fighters background etc.