did we miss something with the hatton mayweather fight?

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Originally Posted by LawHoops

close fight? ricky lost every round then was flattened with one shot lol b a guy with little power at 147 hes a joke

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The commonly perceived best Light Welter in the world is a joke?

A fighter that at worst is on the border of top ten pound for pound is a joke?

A fighter who has not only beaten Kostya Tszyu, but stopped him is a joke?

A fighter who has KO'd JLC, is a joke?

I dunno about that.

What I do know is this;

You sir, are an abysmal poster. You've proved this before of course.
I thought you had abandoned your sinking ship the last time we debated.
Yet, you return with the same putrid brand of tripe that you have served up here since your arrival.

You have proved yourself on numerous occasions to be lacking in knowledge; in relation to boxing, it's participants and it's practice, but since your ressurection from the depths of saddoboxing's septic tank, you have added to your outstanding repuatation.
You are also a small minded, ignorant fool who instead of offering opinions, invests his time in broad stereotypical statements in a faint hope that you will find someone to agree with you.

Let me simplify this for you.

You're a crap poster.




To the forum;
As a Ricky fan I did not take offence to the post LawHoops submitted, I merely cannot stand idly by while he makes an utter tool of himself in every thread he participates in.
I'm fully prepared to be a martyr to the neg reps I will now receive in order to illustrte what a muck-bad poster he is. If a mod wants to delete this, or who knows, me, then so be it. I'm sick of him.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Hatton lost at his own game, you apologists had no shame when he roughed up and wrestled Tszyu with elbows and a few lowblows.

You lauded Ricky as the next coming, until of course he took a head 1st shitter into a ring post with the aid of a perfect left Hook form the one and only PFP#1 Boxer in the World today

Hows bout that!

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Floyd is the best boxer in the world, I realise and recognise that.

I'm a hardcore Hatton fan, always will be, but I'm a boxing fan first and Floyd beat Ricky bad. Real real bad. I bet on my man the minute the fight was announced, it's ironic that it was with you JT and I've only quoted you to once more display my disappointment and give Floyd his dues.
He did make me a fan that night.

However, at 140, Ricky was, is and will continue to be the man.

If you read Mayweather's quotes or listen to the HBO interview after the fight you will realise PBF certainly thought Hatton was one of his toughest opponents.

So to dismiss Hatton as a second rate fighter based on a loss to the P4P best, who then comes out to the press to call Hatton a great fighter, is very premature indeed.

Hatton is still the best at 140, however needs to cement this fact with victories over Malignaggi and Witter within the next year.

Hopefully Witter produces a perfomance of note on Saturday, to make the fight with Hatton a massive British soprting event.

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Originally Posted by birch

If you read Mayweather's quotes or listen to the HBO interview after the fight you will realise PBF certainly thought Hatton was one of his toughest opponents.

So to dismiss Hatton as a second rate fighter based on a loss to the P4P best, who then comes out to the press to call Hatton a great fighter, is very premature indeed.

Hatton is still the best at 140, however needs to cement this fact with victories over Malignaggi and Witter within the next year.

Hopefully Witter produces a perfomance of note on Saturday, to make the fight with Hatton a massive British soprting event.

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I think a big reason Floyd gave Hatton the respect he did after the fight is because he never dealt with a guy who just kept coming forward even when he was getting tagged left and right...Gotta respect a guy that determined

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by LawHoops

close fight? ricky lost every round then was flattened with one shot lol b a guy with little power at 147 hes a joke

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The commonly perceived best Light Welter in the world is a joke?

A fighter that at worst is on the border of top ten pound for pound is a joke?

A fighter who has not only beaten Kostya Tszyu, but stopped him is a joke?

A fighter who has KO'd JLC, is a joke?

I dunno about that.

What I do know is this;

You sir, are an abysmal poster. You've proved this before of course.
I thought you had abandoned your sinking ship the last time we debated.
Yet, you return with the same putrid brand of tripe that you have served up here since your arrival.

You have proved yourself on numerous occasions to be lacking in knowledge; in relation to boxing, it's participants and it's practice, but since your ressurection from the depths of saddoboxing's septic tank, you have added to your outstanding repuatation.
You are also a small minded, ignorant fool who instead of offering opinions, invests his time in broad stereotypical statements in a faint hope that you will find someone to agree with you.

Let me simplify this for you.

You're a crap poster.




To the forum;
As a Ricky fan I did not take offence to the post LawHoops submitted, I merely cannot stand idly by while he makes an utter tool of himself in every thread he participates in.
I'm fully prepared to be a martyr to the neg reps I will now receive in order to illustrte what a muck-bad poster he is. If a mod wants to delete this, or who knows, me, then so be it. I'm sick of him.

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I love the Hatton Neg reps..... :) I laughed when I saw him summing up Hatton in one line, then -51 at the top of his post..
No other fighters have passionate enough fans to stand up for their man when people shit talk them..

I've counted down the seconds to getting negative reps after some of my Floyd posts, but they never came... I think I even got a few positive reps. :cool:

Anyway, it's just another cool aspect to the forum... If you talk shit about Ricky on here, you better have a good freakin reason or your getting negative reps.... It's great!

+ Fenster pointed out that it wasn't the first time Hoops was just being a hater for the sake of it...

You need at least 2000 posts here before you can go around calling belt holders "jokes" and not expect negative reps

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Originally Posted by Dizaster

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by LawHoops

close fight? ricky lost every round then was flattened with one shot lol b a guy with little power at 147 hes a joke

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The commonly perceived best Light Welter in the world is a joke?

A fighter that at worst is on the border of top ten pound for pound is a joke?

A fighter who has not only beaten Kostya Tszyu, but stopped him is a joke?

A fighter who has KO'd JLC, is a joke?

I dunno about that.

What I do know is this;

You sir, are an abysmal poster. You've proved this before of course.
I thought you had abandoned your sinking ship the last time we debated.
Yet, you return with the same putrid brand of tripe that you have served up here since your arrival.

You have proved yourself on numerous occasions to be lacking in knowledge; in relation to boxing, it's participants and it's practice, but since your ressurection from the depths of saddoboxing's septic tank, you have added to your outstanding repuatation.
You are also a small minded, ignorant fool who instead of offering opinions, invests his time in broad stereotypical statements in a faint hope that you will find someone to agree with you.

Let me simplify this for you.

You're a crap poster.




To the forum;
As a Ricky fan I did not take offence to the post LawHoops submitted, I merely cannot stand idly by while he makes an utter tool of himself in every thread he participates in.
I'm fully prepared to be a martyr to the neg reps I will now receive in order to illustrte what a muck-bad poster he is. If a mod wants to delete this, or who knows, me, then so be it. I'm sick of him.

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I love the Hatton Neg reps..... :) I laughed when I saw him summing up Hatton in one line, then -51 at the top of his post..
No other fighters have passionate enough fans to stand up for their man when people shit talk them..

I've counted down the seconds to getting negative reps after some of my Floyd posts, but they never came... I think I even got a few positive reps. :cool:

Anyway, it's just another cool aspect to the forum... If you talk shit about Ricky on here, you better have a good freakin reason or your getting negative reps.... It's great!

+ Fenster pointed out that it wasn't the first time Hoops was just being a hater for the sake of it...

You need at least 2000 posts here before you can go around calling belt holders "jokes" and not expect negative reps

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Just on that, I've never actually given negative reps, but I did Sad Click LawHoops before.

If he could debate with me, make me see his point, make me recognise why he believed this I wouldn't lamabast him like this, but he won't he'll just come back, neg rep me and start cursing.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I don't know about all that...The version of Castillo that fought PBF the first time I can not see Hatton beating.The versions of Corrales and Castillo in their first fight is 1 are ones I don't see Hatton beating either

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Honest question:

Do you see Corrales or Castillo being that effective (e.g. as good as they were in the fights you mentioned) at 140? Personally I dont really see it, and I would probably give Hatton a decent chance against both - even if the versions of them that you mentioned would be better than Hatton p4p. [Did that make any sense at all?]

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by LawHoops

close fight? ricky lost every round then was flattened with one shot lol b a guy with little power at 147 hes a joke

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You need at least 2000 posts here before you can go around calling belt holders "jokes" and not expect negative reps

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You can what ever you want no matter how long you have been posting here as long as you have some merit to what you are saying...Back it up with ANYTHNG...Even if it is half assed....LawHoops just says stuff for the sake of saying it....People feed into him....ignore his BS post and he will fade away

Hatton only won one round for me and that was the first after that he was ineffective sure he was agressive but he was smothering his own work so its hard to give him points for it. Mayweather controlled the fight, was very accurate and kept the fight where he wanted it (center of the ring) and won most of the rounds based on ring generalship and effective punches.

Sky and HBO always score the fights wrong and their scorecards never seem to match up with what is going on in the ring they seem to get caught up in the excitement and let it cloud their judgement.

Fact is Hatton should stay the hell away from 147 Cotto,Mosley,Margarito,De La Hoya will eat him alive and the guy is delluded if he thinks he can beat Mayweather in a rematch he should just stay at 140 and let his ego feed itself.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

He proved that he belonged in the ring with Mayweather, and gave a pretty good account of himself over the first half of the fight. I have trouble calling him a truly great fighter because I find his style so aesthetically unpleasing, but he does have great ability, he's quite fast of hand and foot and is a tough fight for anyone around his weight(though I think a couple WW's would probably make fairly quick work of him in Mosley, Cotto, DLH, etc.) I wonder how much he left in the ring against Mayweather though, as it looked like he really got up for that fight and looked much much sharper then he had in previous fights, even against Castillo.

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Yeah, I agree that in some fights - KT, Collazo, second half of Urango, he can be pretty ugly. At his best, when he's not in 'hook and hold' mode, I think he's great to watch. But I have a question - do you feel the same way about Hopkins. At his worst, I find him equally aesthetically unpleasing. I still consider him a great fighter.

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Originally Posted by ds91

it was close after 6 rounds, but then hatton lost focus.

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I think Floyd's counterpunching might have had something to do with Hatton lossing focus.

Ricky fought I good fight that night I lost no respect for him, maybe even gained some. Like somebody else said, he proved he belonged in the ring with Floyd and he gave him a better fight than most of his last opponents. I was disappointed that he couldn't pull it off, but it was what it was.

Oh, and against LWs and LWW's, Floyd has power. He just doesn't have power at 147.

Anyone remember when Hatton nearly knocked down PBF in the first round ?? :D I do.

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He proved that he belonged in the ring with Mayweather, and gave a pretty good account of himself over the first half of the fight. I have trouble calling him a truly great fighter because I find his style so aesthetically unpleasing, but he does have great ability, he's quite fast of hand and foot and is a tough fight for anyone around his weight(though I think a couple WW's would probably make fairly quick work of him in Mosley, Cotto, DLH, etc.) I wonder how much he left in the ring against Mayweather though, as it looked like he really got up for that fight and looked much much sharper then he had in previous fights, even against Castillo.

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Yeah, I agree that in some fights - KT, Collazo, second half of Urango, he can be pretty ugly. At his best, when he's not in 'hook and hold' mode, I think he's great to watch. But I have a question - do you feel the same way about Hopkins. At his worst, I find him equally aesthetically unpleasing. I still consider him a great fighter.

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Most definetly don't find Hopkins exciting these days, but I do appreciate his ring craft more than Hatton's. Maybe it's just that he's a bit slicker and so wily. I certainly understand your point in that he's just as guilty of initiating clinches, hitting and holding and ruining the ebb and flow of a fight. But that's what he's trying to do, with Hatton it's more that he tries to hold in order to get off his own shots, rather than stop the other guy from getting off? Maybe I'm way off there. Certainly in his younger years Hopkins used clinching and dirty fighting much more strategically rather than having to do so in order to slow the pace. I'm also a bit of a sucker for old guys and underdogs I spose, if Hopkins wasn't 43 I'd probably have more bad things to say about the way he fights as well.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

Anyone remember when Hatton nearly knocked down PBF in the first round ?? :D I do.

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Nah, Floyd lost his balance;)

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Originally Posted by leftylee

Anyone remember when Hatton nearly knocked down PBF in the first round ?? :D I do.

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Nah, Floyd lost his balance;)

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A punch landed, end of!!

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Anyone remember when Hatton nearly knocked down PBF in the first round ?? :D I do.

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Nah, Floyd lost his balance;)

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A punch landed, end of!!

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And Floyd didnt go down did he?

Hope I cleared that up for you;)

Wasn't so much the punch that rocked floyd it was how he tried to avoid it, in my opinion.Guess it still would of counted as a knockdown though. I don't think hatton has the power at welterweight to KO floyd, but maybe if he landed one of those castillo body shots... guess we'll never know.

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Nah, Floyd lost his balance;)

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A punch landed, end of!!

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And Floyd didnt go down did he?

Hope I cleared that up for you;)

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I said "nearly" ;)

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A punch landed, end of!!

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And Floyd didnt go down did he?

Hope I cleared that up for you;)

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I said "nearly" ;)

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Then I guessed you cleared that up for me ;)

Hatton lost to a legitamite all time great in PBF. I think future generations will appreciate PBF for the talent he is much more than this generation, and with that added respect Ricky will also be viewed in a much more positive light for giving PBF such a tough fight.

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And Floyd didnt go down did he?

Hope I cleared that up for you;)

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I said "nearly" ;)

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Then I guessed you cleared that up for me ;)

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I sure did ;)

Hatton won one round; he was dominated it was very similar to the calzhage Lacy just not as one sided.

But a display of pure skill!

Sorry Brits, but Hatton proved more negative than positive in the fight against Floyd. He got KO'd by what I consider a non power puncher in Mayweather (of course, a well placed punch can KO anyone) and he proved his boxing ability is not very good (no jab, leads with his head, etc).

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Originally Posted by Rican

Sorry Brits, but Hatton proved more negative than positive in the fight against Floyd. He got KO'd by what I consider a non power puncher in Mayweather (of course, a well placed punch can KO anyone) and he proved his boxing ability is not very good (no jab, leads with his head, etc).

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I think it was more of an accumulation then anything...Hatton was getting tagged often towards the end....What Ricky needs to learn is that he does not need to come forward every single second

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Originally Posted by Rican

Sorry Brits, but Hatton proved more negative than positive in the fight against Floyd. He got KO'd by what I consider a non power puncher in Mayweather (of course, a well placed punch can KO anyone) and he proved his boxing ability is not very good (no jab, leads with his head, etc).

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I think it was more of an accumulation then anything...Hatton was getting tagged often towards the end....What Ricky needs to learn is that he does not need to come forward every single second

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Hatton has said on endless occasions that the build up went perfect, the in ring walk was fine and he was as pumped up as ever to fight, but....

within 5seconds of the fight getting going cortez stepped in between the 2 fighters for no apparent reason and hattons immediate reaction in his words not mine were..

"fuck this is not good"

For the remainder of the fight cortez remained all over hatton and his fight plan despite the fact he allowed hatton to get away with the very same tactics during the castillo fight and as shown during hopkins-calzaghe seemed to have no problems with the 2 grappling up close.

At one point joe told the 2 to "stop talking or i`ll take points off of the both of you" ????????

have you ever heard something so absurd.

Mayweather slouched at every opportunity yet hatton got persistently penalised for carrying on fighting despite the fact it was floyds fault for not protecting himself.

He went over to the hatton corner at the end of round 8 and told them he was considering stopping the fight despite the fact hatton at the time was well in the fight albeit losing it, but still well in it.

The ring was widened to suit mayweather, the judges appointed by mayweathers promotional team, as soon as cortez also decided to aide floyd the fight was as good as over.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

Anyone remember when Hatton nearly knocked down PBF in the first round ?? :D I do.

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I rather get nearly knocked down as oppose to head butting a ring post. :D

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Hatton would of disposed of corrales no problems.

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That's a bit of a stretch, to say anyone would have "no problems" against Corrales is a statement of someone that never watched his fights aside from maybe the Mayweather one.

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Agree RIP corrales he was one tough cooky i think he would have given Rick a fight to remember in fact i could see him taking Ricks 0 ;D

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Sorry Brits, but Hatton proved more negative than positive in the fight against Floyd. He got KO'd by what I consider a non power puncher in Mayweather (of course, a well placed punch can KO anyone) and he proved his boxing ability is not very good (no jab, leads with his head, etc).

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I think it was more of an accumulation then anything...Hatton was getting tagged often towards the end....What Ricky needs to learn is that he does not need to come forward every single second

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Hatton has said on endless occasions that the build up went perfect, the in ring walk was fine and he was as pumped up as ever to fight, but....

within 5seconds of the fight getting going cortez stepped in between the 2 fighters for no apparent reason and hattons immediate reaction in his words not mine were..

"fuck this is not good"

For the remainder of the fight cortez remained all over hatton and his fight plan despite the fact he allowed hatton to get away with the very same tactics during the castillo fight and as shown during hopkins-calzaghe seemed to have no problems with the 2 grappling up close.

At one point joe told the 2 to "stop talking or i`ll take points off of the both of you" ????????

have you ever heard something so absurd.

Mayweather slouched at every opportunity yet hatton got persistently penalised for carrying on fighting despite the fact it was floyds fault for not protecting himself.

He went over to the hatton corner at the end of round 8 and told them he was considering stopping the fight despite the fact hatton at the time was well in the fight albeit losing it, but still well in it.

The ring was widened to suit mayweather, the judges appointed by mayweathers promotional team, as soon as cortez also decided to aide floyd the fight was as good as over.

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The fact Cortez was lousy in that fight has not been denied by anyone...Be it the sternest PBF or Hatton fans....Still though...Point is Hatton was not KO'd by one shot as some would like to make out...He was getting caught a lot...

I am not going to say Hatton would have beaten Mayweather but it would have been a bit more in his favor with a guy like Smoger who allows guys to get in and fight

Just before you all start bad repping me the fight never happened love Rick to bits big fan!!! but the old Rick where he used his skills i still hand on heart think he would have struggled with Chico;D

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Sorry Brits, but Hatton proved more negative than positive in the fight against Floyd. He got KO'd by what I consider a non power puncher in Mayweather (of course, a well placed punch can KO anyone) and he proved his boxing ability is not very good (no jab, leads with his head, etc).

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I think it was more of an accumulation then anything...Hatton was getting tagged often towards the end....What Ricky needs to learn is that he does not need to come forward every single second

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Hatton has said on endless occasions that the build up went perfect, the in ring walk was fine and he was as pumped up as ever to fight, but....

within 5seconds of the fight getting going cortez stepped in between the 2 fighters for no apparent reason and hattons immediate reaction in his words not mine were..

"fuck this is not good"

For the remainder of the fight cortez remained all over hatton and his fight plan despite the fact he allowed hatton to get away with the very same tactics during the castillo fight and as shown during hopkins-calzaghe seemed to have no problems with the 2 grappling up close.

At one point joe told the 2 to "stop talking or i`ll take points off of the both of you" ????????

have you ever heard something so absurd.

Mayweather slouched at every opportunity yet hatton got persistently penalised for carrying on fighting despite the fact it was floyds fault for not protecting himself.

He went over to the hatton corner at the end of round 8 and told them he was considering stopping the fight despite the fact hatton at the time was well in the fight albeit losing it, but still well in it.

The ring was widened to suit mayweather, the judges appointed by mayweathers promotional team, as soon as cortez also decided to aide floyd the fight was as good as over.

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So the sole source of your reasoning is the excuses of the man himself? Whenever Joe allowed the clinches for any period of time Floyd was getting the better of it.

Hatton is thoroughly outclassed by Mayweather every single day of the week, FACT. Does this make Hatton a joke fighter? of course not, he's a very good fighter and still no.1 in his division (though not undisputed).

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Just before you all start bad repping me the fight never happened love Rick to bits big fan!!! but the old Rick where he used his skills i still hand on heart think he would have struggled with Chico;D

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Agreed...

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Just before you all start bad repping me the fight never happened love Rick to bits big fan!!! but the old Rick where he used his skills i still hand on heart think he would have struggled with Chico;D

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Agreed...

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Thanks mate i also think he would have struggled with the same Castillo that fought Chico!!!!!

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Just before you all start bad repping me the fight never happened love Rick to bits big fan!!! but the old Rick where he used his skills i still hand on heart think he would have struggled with Chico;D

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Thanks mate i also think he would have struggled with the same Castillo that fought Chico!!!!!

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Funny you say that becasue just yesterday somewhere on this thread I think it was...I said that The version that Hatton beat of Castillo and the version of Castillo just 2 or so years before IMO would have beaten Hatton

Before any of you start using the Hatton was at 147 excuse for the reason he lost.

Do you think that fight would have been any different at 140?


Anyway yes Hatton belongs in the ring with Mayweather. Mayweather is the top elite, Hatton belongs with the elite but we dont know "how elite" he is. A fight with someone good at 140 could answer that. Like the winner of Witter Bradley which isnt a given

The thing that gets me is that everyone talks about how Ricky was able to hang with Mayweather.

Why don't they talk about how Mayweather was able to deal with adversity, pressure and adapted to Hatton's style and started to take over the fight.

Mayweather is the type of fighter where people who don't like him only talk about what his opponent did well up until Mayweather beat him.

You don't hear anyone talking about how Mayweather adapted changed up and eventually started dominating Hatton after the mid rounds.

But you hear how Hatton "hung in there" with him. I don't get it sometimes.

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Before any of you start using the Hatton was at 147 excuse for the reason he lost.

Do you think that fight would have been any different at 140?


Anyway yes Hatton belongs in the ring with Mayweather. Mayweather is the top elite, Hatton belongs with the elite but we dont know "how elite" he is. A fight with someone good at 140 could answer that. Like the winner of Witter Bradley which isnt a given

The thing that gets me is that everyone talks about how Ricky was able to hang with Mayweather.

Why don't they talk about how Mayweather was able to deal with adversity, pressure and adapted to Hatton's style and started to take over the fight.

Mayweather is the type of fighter where people who don't like him only talk about what his opponent did well up until Mayweather beat him.

You don't hear anyone talking about how Mayweather adapted changed up and eventually started dominating Hatton after the mid rounds.

But you hear how Hatton "hung in there" with him. I don't get it sometimes.

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Mayweather didnt have to adapt to hatton, he had cortez making sure that at no point would he be forced into fighting hattons "phonebox fight" that has worked for ricky so often in the past.

You take away hattons ability to punch away on the inside and you take away the guys main attribute, hatton has never been any good boxing on the outside in the fight as got clearly shown when he fought collazo and was forced to hang on for dear life in the end because luis got his tactics spot on and was able make hatton chase him for 12rounds.



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Im not saying hatton lost the fight because of all these factors. Mayweather was simply too good for him on the night and unfortunately for ricky as soon as he got deducted points and was being informed that he was losing in a big way from about 6 onwards he went chasing the fight, something he is has never had to do in his career before.

Anyone that attempts to over commit against a world class athlete like PBF is always gonna be in danger of getting knocked out and thats what happened to ricky.

My argument is though that on another day, with a reasonably sized ring and a ref that actually allows the 2 to fight ricky can beat floyd - i believe that in my heart of hearts.


As for corrales beating hatton?

not a chance if you ask me, ricky would be way too busy and force diego into fighting a fight he isnt used to, UD for hatton

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Originally Posted by Majesty

Before any of you start using the Hatton was at 147 excuse for the reason he lost.

Do you think that fight would have been any different at 140?


Anyway yes Hatton belongs in the ring with Mayweather. Mayweather is the top elite, Hatton belongs with the elite but we dont know "how elite" he is. A fight with someone good at 140 could answer that. Like the winner of Witter Bradley which isnt a given

The thing that gets me is that everyone talks about how Ricky was able to hang with Mayweather.

Why don't they talk about how Mayweather was able to deal with adversity, pressure and adapted to Hatton's style and started to take over the fight.

Mayweather is the type of fighter where people who don't like him only talk about what his opponent did well up until Mayweather beat him.

You don't hear anyone talking about how Mayweather adapted changed up and eventually started dominating Hatton after the mid rounds.

But you hear how Hatton "hung in there" with him. I don't get it sometimes.

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Mayweather didnt have to adapt to hatton, he had cortez making sure that at no point would he be forced into fighting hattons "phonebox fight" that has worked for ricky so often in the past.

You take away hattons ability to punch away on the inside and you take away the guys main attribute, hatton has never been any good boxing on the outside in the fight as got clearly shown when he fought collazo and was forced to hang on for dear life in the end because luis got his tactics spot on and was able make hatton chase him for 12rounds.



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Im not saying hatton lost the fight because of all these factors. Mayweather was simply too good for him on the night and unfortunately for ricky as soon as he got deducted points and was being informed that he was losing in a big way from about 6 onwards he went chasing the fight, something he is has never had to do in his career before.

Anyone that attempts to over commit against a world class athlete like PBF is always gonna be in danger of getting knocked out and thats what happened to ricky.

My argument is though that on another day, with a reasonably sized ring and a ref that actually allows the 2 to fight ricky can beat floyd - i believe that in my heart of hearts.


As for corrales beating hatton?

not a chance if you ask me, ricky would be way too busy and force diego into fighting a fight he isnt used to, UD for hatton

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Fair enough.

Corrales Hatton would have been a great fight, it would have been a war. I see Corrales being knocked down by the bigger man but at his best he always got up, Floyd had to do it numerous times to keep him there, Diego also showed way passed his best he could last with a full blown welter. The fight could be a SD either way IMO.

Hatton has not been that busy in the ring since Kostya. He used to be a good in and out fighter and could close the gap well, he did this first half of the fight against Urango but got tired. Most of his inside work now involves holding and mauling, he could have been allowed to do that against Floyd all day IMO and he wouldn't have done any damge, not from punches anyway.

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Every fighter cheats. Hatton cheats, last time I checked holding was as illegal as elbowing and butting. I also seem to recall Hatton landing a well-placed shot to Tszyu's balls, among his many other infractions.
None of that changes the fact that PBF is better than Hatton in every facet of the game. I like Hatton, I was hoping against all logic and reason that he could beat PBF, but if they fought 10 times, PBF would win 10 times, regardless of who the ref was.

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I disagree, Floyd only won by cheating and the dodgy ref, if Hatton wouldn't have had the point took off then he wouldn't have started rushing in getting tagged so easy, he lost his focus after the point deduction and yet the shot never even landed :rolleyes:

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So it's the ref's fault he lost focus?

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Yes sort of.

He didn't exactly give Hatton a fair shake.....in a fight where he was already a big underdog.

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He proved that he belonged in the ring with Mayweather, and gave a pretty good account of himself over the first half of the fight. I have trouble calling him a truly great fighter because I find his style so aesthetically unpleasing, but he does have great ability, he's quite fast of hand and foot and is a tough fight for anyone around his weight(though I think a couple WW's would probably make fairly quick work of him in Mosley, Cotto, DLH, etc.) I wonder how much he left in the ring against Mayweather though, as it looked like he really got up for that fight and looked much much sharper then he had in previous fights, even against Castillo.

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Yeah, I agree that in some fights - KT, Collazo, second half of Urango, he can be pretty ugly. At his best, when he's not in 'hook and hold' mode, I think he's great to watch. But I have a question - do you feel the same way about Hopkins. At his worst, I find him equally aesthetically unpleasing. I still consider him a great fighter.

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Most definetly don't find Hopkins exciting these days, but I do appreciate his ring craft more than Hatton's. Maybe it's just that he's a bit slicker and so wily. I certainly understand your point in that he's just as guilty of initiating clinches, hitting and holding and ruining the ebb and flow of a fight. But that's what he's trying to do, with Hatton it's more that he tries to hold in order to get off his own shots, rather than stop the other guy from getting off? Maybe I'm way off there. Certainly in his younger years Hopkins used clinching and dirty fighting much more strategically rather than having to do so in order to slow the pace. I'm also a bit of a sucker for old guys and underdogs I spose, if Hopkins wasn't 43 I'd probably have more bad things to say about the way he fights as well.

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Hopkins holds and hits for offense probably a little less than Hatton, but he does it just as much, if not more, to slow the pace. But he uses his head as a weapon more. Whereas Hatton will do the hook and hold thing, Hopkins will do the straight right/headbutt and hold. Yeah, hopkins is slicker, and I appreciate that aspect of his game, and I appreciate it more because of his age.

Against Floyd, Mausa, and Castillo Ricky's style didn't bother me. He held some, for sure, but he was more fluid and used his feet. Against Tarver, I liked watching Hopkins a lot. He did his share of holding, but he let his hands go and he put on a real clinic. Instead of holding every time he landed a right, he was potshotting Tarver and getting back out to distance.

I only raised the point because Hatton takes a lot of crap for holding and using shady tactics, but Hopkins does the same types of thing, though in a different way, and he gets a pass on it. Maybe it's the age thing. Once you're past 35, you get an old guy-underdog pass. I can't really argue with that ;)

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Before any of you start using the Hatton was at 147 excuse for the reason he lost.

Do you think that fight would have been any different at 140?


Anyway yes Hatton belongs in the ring with Mayweather. Mayweather is the top elite, Hatton belongs with the elite but we dont know "how elite" he is. A fight with someone good at 140 could answer that. Like the winner of Witter Bradley which isnt a given

The thing that gets me is that everyone talks about how Ricky was able to hang with Mayweather.

Why don't they talk about how Mayweather was able to deal with adversity, pressure and adapted to Hatton's style and started to take over the fight.

Mayweather is the type of fighter where people who don't like him only talk about what his opponent did well up until Mayweather beat him.

You don't hear anyone talking about how Mayweather adapted changed up and eventually started dominating Hatton after the mid rounds.

But you hear how Hatton "hung in there" with him. I don't get it sometimes.

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Mayweather didnt have to adapt to hatton, he had cortez making sure that at no point would he be forced into fighting hattons "phonebox fight" that has worked for ricky so often in the past.

You take away hattons ability to punch away on the inside and you take away the guys main attribute, hatton has never been any good boxing on the outside in the fight as got clearly shown when he fought collazo and was forced to hang on for dear life in the end because luis got his tactics spot on and was able make hatton chase him for 12rounds.



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Im not saying hatton lost the fight because of all these factors. Mayweather was simply too good for him on the night and unfortunately for ricky as soon as he got deducted points and was being informed that he was losing in a big way from about 6 onwards he went chasing the fight, something he is has never had to do in his career before.

Anyone that attempts to over commit against a world class athlete like PBF is always gonna be in danger of getting knocked out and thats what happened to ricky.

My argument is though that on another day, with a reasonably sized ring and a ref that actually allows the 2 to fight ricky can beat floyd - i believe that in my heart of hearts.


As for corrales beating hatton?

not a chance if you ask me, ricky would be way too busy and force diego into fighting a fight he isnt used to, UD for hatton

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Your arguement would work but then you actually watch the match and realise that Ricky was being beaten on the outside AND on the inside. Everyone talks about how the ref worked against Ricky but it worked against Floyd too because as somebody said he was getting the better of the exchanges. If anything Cortez' poor officiating worked more in Ricky's favour. Seeing as you like Ricky's quote here's another one for you from the man himself. ''He was a lot better on the inside than I thought''

Come on mate be objective, its obvious by your name that you're a Ricky fan but you're clutching at air here...a 'reasonably' sized ring? What does that mean? :confused: That Floyd cheated? What difference would the ring have made anyway...if you watched the same fight I did then you'd know there wasn't that much moving around in that fight full stop. Floyd was willing to engage. I think you mean a smaller ring and don't forget that a more skilled, bigger Oscar tried that one already and still lost. Also you want a ref that allows more inside fighting where Floyd was beating Ricky as well? These things just lead to Ricky getting knocked out quicker in my opinion rather than giving him a better chance. There isn't any day that Hatton gets the better of Floyd. He should be proud of his efforts but he was outclassed. Blaming outside factors doesn't show class from Ricky or his fans. A good workman never blames his tools.

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!