Arum Says Pavlik Vs Paul Williams "Seems" Like Done Deal For 9/27

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Originally Posted by KKisser

you're kidding me with that comparison. am a big fan of boxing meself but i'm not going to watch a circus fight.

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I was being sarcastic, I though it was pretty obvious. However, I sat through Briggs - Lyakhovich, so it should be apparent that I will watch anything boxing related.

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Man that is rough. I was so excited for SL and he put this bullshit out there. I could not believe he was so stupid in the 12 round.

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I was hypnotized by boredom by the time the twelfth came around, so I don't really remember how the KO happened. I remember Sergei getting knocked clean out of the ring, I think.

What about Sturm ;D

I don't know how it will go, but he will look look like a pretty big middle fight night, won't look like a mismatch at least. This may be surprisingly competitive, we'll see.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

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I was being sarcastic, I though it was pretty obvious. However, I sat through Briggs - Lyakhovich, so it should be apparent that I will watch anything boxing related.

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Man that is rough. I was so excited for SL and he put this bullshit out there. I could not believe he was so stupid in the 12 round.

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I was hypnotized by boredom by the time the twelfth came around, so I don't really remember how the KO happened. I remember Sergei getting knocked clean out of the ring, I think.

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I think if there were a cure for asthma Shannon would be one of the most dangerous guys in the division. He relies solely on power because his lungs shrink up whenever he gets too active. The guy's a natural athlete; if he had legs and strength he'd really be something.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

BBBBBWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A guy who is a legit Lightheavyweight is fighting Paul Williams.

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Please now shut up Pavlik fans please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All this shit about Calzaghe BBBWWHHHAAAAA

(Honestly i am laughing my head off)

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Unlike your boy Calfage, Pavlik fights who ever challenges him. Willams did. He said on hbo he wanted Calzaghe next but Calzaghe took the easier fight with Jones Jr.

I say as well take the money lose and fight Wright. He is a lefty as like Calzaghe (if he ever grew some balls to step in the ring with Pavlik) and this would prep him for Calzaghe. I do belive Williams at 6'2" has no reason to be at 147. He needs to bulk it up and go up to 154-160. He is fast. He throws allot of punches but I honestly dont see him going longer than 3-6 rounds. Pavlik touches that chin and Williams is not busy and on the defensive. Not to mention he is a southpaw.

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Because I'm a huge boxing fan I'd watch Klitschko fight a one-armed midget, but that doesn't mean the outcome wouldn't be a foregone conclusion.

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you're kidding me with that comparison. am a big fan of boxing meself but i'm not going to watch a circus fight.

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I was being sarcastic, I though it was pretty obvious. However, I sat through Briggs - Lyakhovich, so it should be apparent that I will watch anything boxing related.

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all i'm saying is pavlik-williams might not be as much of a foregone conclusion as you think coz i really don't know how well williams will perform at a higher weight.

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Originally Posted by KKisser

you're kidding me with that comparison. am a big fan of boxing meself but i'm not going to watch a circus fight.

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I was being sarcastic, I though it was pretty obvious. However, I sat through Briggs - Lyakhovich, so it should be apparent that I will watch anything boxing related.

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all i'm saying is pavlik-williams might not be as much of a foregone conclusion as you think coz i really don't know how well williams will perform at a higher weight.

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That's a smart way of looking at it - Williams hasn't fought at this weight for awhile, but he does have the frame for it. A lot of this match depends on what Williams brings at 160.

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I was being sarcastic, I though it was pretty obvious. However, I sat through Briggs - Lyakhovich, so it should be apparent that I will watch anything boxing related.

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all i'm saying is pavlik-williams might not be as much of a foregone conclusion as you think coz i really don't know how well williams will perform at a higher weight.

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That's a smart way of looking at it - Williams hasn't fought at this weight for awhile, but he does have the frame for it. A lot of this match depends on what Williams brings at 160.

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He has the speed now he needs to add some sting. 160 in my opinion is the best class for speed ,power and conditioning.

According to another article Allan Green is the second option

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Brutal. I'm beginning to miss Jermaine Taylor, at least when he cherry-picked gimme opponents he only dipped one weight class below his.

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True, but I'd rather see Pavlik fight a big-name welter than a no-name middleweight. I'd rather see Paul Williams get a shot than another Gary Lockett.

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So would I but why aren't they trying to get it on with Abraham? 2 Fighters on top of their game with great punch power and exciting fight styles. Williams still has a lot to prove at welterweight yet IMO and he could probably make more money there at the minute with all the big names knocking about. I really can't see the benefits for either fighter here.
Except for the fact that Pavlik keeps his undefeated record that is!

Williams should have no problem making weight, he has a middleweight frame. Doubt he has ever fought someone taller than him though. Kelly should look impressive but I can see this being a good fight. Seen the ghost last night and he looked good, he'll be ready or whoever Arum lines up, it'll be tougher for Williams if the fight is indeed in Atlantic City aka little YOUNGSTOWN when Kelly fights. Were all buzzing to get down there.

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Brutal. I'm beginning to miss Jermaine Taylor, at least when he cherry-picked gimme opponents he only dipped one weight class below his.

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True, but I'd rather see Pavlik fight a big-name welter than a no-name middleweight. I'd rather see Paul Williams get a shot than another Gary Lockett.

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So would I but why aren't they trying to get it on with Abraham? 2 Fighters on top of their game with great punch power and exciting fight styles. Williams still has a lot to prove at welterweight yet IMO and he could probably make more money there at the minute with all the big names knocking about. I really can't see the benefits for either fighter here.
Except for the fact that Pavlik keeps his undefeated record that is!

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Abraham just fought and he has a mandatory coming up. I think the plan is for both fighters to take a fight prior to their meeting in a unification.

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True, but I'd rather see Pavlik fight a big-name welter than a no-name middleweight. I'd rather see Paul Williams get a shot than another Gary Lockett.

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So would I but why aren't they trying to get it on with Abraham? 2 Fighters on top of their game with great punch power and exciting fight styles. Williams still has a lot to prove at welterweight yet IMO and he could probably make more money there at the minute with all the big names knocking about. I really can't see the benefits for either fighter here.
Except for the fact that Pavlik keeps his undefeated record that is!

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Abraham just fought and he has a mandatory coming up. I think the plan is for both fighters to take a fight prior to their meeting in a unification.

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I don't know if there will be any unification fight. Both camps will want too much money.

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Man this is bullshit. You Pavlik fans know it. Winky just demands whatever the best middleweight in the world should be compensated for, a decent amount to take on a tough, risky opponent. Yes, I am sure that Winky wanted more money than Gary Lockett did. That probably means he is pricing himself out. :rolleyes:


I love Arum. He is a very smart guy.

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Careful you may get neg rep!

This Pavlik characters fans are clowns he has 1 good fight and hes god he then fighs an ultra can in Lockett then a Welterweight williams and they still take time out to knock calzaghe.

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So would I but why aren't they trying to get it on with Abraham? 2 Fighters on top of their game with great punch power and exciting fight styles. Williams still has a lot to prove at welterweight yet IMO and he could probably make more money there at the minute with all the big names knocking about. I really can't see the benefits for either fighter here.
Except for the fact that Pavlik keeps his undefeated record that is!

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Abraham just fought and he has a mandatory coming up. I think the plan is for both fighters to take a fight prior to their meeting in a unification.

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I don't know if there will be any unification fight. Both camps will want too much money.

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Great point but I think an AA-Pavlik fight could and would probably be a PPV fight. Money would be generated

Paul Williams

Looking at his weight during some of his fights, Williams was fighting as a middleweight and junior middleweight in the beginning of his career and with a height of 6'1" it's not a total mismatch.
For Pete's sake PAC is already being matched to guys like Ricky Hatton for crying out loud:rolleyes:

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Paul Williams

Looking at his weight during some of his fights, Williams was fighting as a middleweight and junior middleweight in the beginning of his career and with a height of 6'1" it's not a total mismatch.
For Pete's sake PAC is already being matched to guys like Ricky Hatton for crying out loud:rolleyes:

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Some use any excuse to discredit Pavlik and his wins. Williams I believe is a natural middleweight. Just feel Williams should take a different route like a fight against Sergio Martinez or Rubio. Needs to get his feet wet before he gets knocked off his feet.

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Paul Williams

Looking at his weight during some of his fights, Williams was fighting as a middleweight and junior middleweight in the beginning of his career and with a height of 6'1" it's not a total mismatch.
For Pete's sake PAC is already being matched to guys like Ricky Hatton for crying out loud:rolleyes:

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Some use any excuse to discredit Pavlik and his wins. Williams I believe is a natural middleweight. Just feel Williams should take a different route like a fight against Sergio Martinez or Rubio. Needs to get his feet wet before he gets knocked off his feet.

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Thanks Mexirican!!! That's how I feel too, a guy that BIG/TALL fighting as a welter is just insane, Williams this time is just fighting somebody his own size. I agree though a tune up would be fair enough.

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Paul Williams

Looking at his weight during some of his fights, Williams was fighting as a middleweight and junior middleweight in the beginning of his career and with a height of 6'1" it's not a total mismatch.
For Pete's sake PAC is already being matched to guys like Ricky Hatton for crying out loud:rolleyes:

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Some use any excuse to discredit Pavlik and his wins. Williams I believe is a natural middleweight. Just feel Williams should take a different route like a fight against Sergio Martinez or Rubio. Needs to get his feet wet before he gets knocked off his feet.

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Thanks Mexirican!!! That's how I feel too, a guy that BIG/TALL fighting as a welter is just insane, Williams this time is just fighting somebody his own size. I agree though a tune up would be fair enough.

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Who's to say Williams deserves a shot anyways. If im a Ring ranked middleweight i'de be pissed that a ww gets the fight, thats business though.

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

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Paul Williams

Looking at his weight during some of his fights, Williams was fighting as a middleweight and junior middleweight in the beginning of his career and with a height of 6'1" it's not a total mismatch.
For Pete's sake PAC is already being matched to guys like Ricky Hatton for crying out loud:rolleyes:

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Some use any excuse to discredit Pavlik and his wins. Williams I believe is a natural middleweight. Just feel Williams should take a different route like a fight against Sergio Martinez or Rubio. Needs to get his feet wet before he gets knocked off his feet.

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Thanks Mexirican!!! That's how I feel too, a guy that BIG/TALL fighting as a welter is just insane, Williams this time is just fighting somebody his own size. I agree though a tune up would be fair enough.

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Thats great stuff. You never hear folks slamming Hatton for fighting Pacman. But then they think its funny when he takes a challenge from a 6'1.5" Welter weight. Markduswhatever was there this much of a out rage for Hearns fighting Hagler?

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Some use any excuse to discredit Pavlik and his wins. Williams I believe is a natural middleweight. Just feel Williams should take a different route like a fight against Sergio Martinez or Rubio. Needs to get his feet wet before he gets knocked off his feet.

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Thanks Mexirican!!! That's how I feel too, a guy that BIG/TALL fighting as a welter is just insane, Williams this time is just fighting somebody his own size. I agree though a tune up would be fair enough.

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Who's to say Williams deserves a shot anyways. If im a Ring ranked middleweight i'de be pissed that a ww gets the fight, thats business though.

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Hahaha!!!;D I did not think about that.

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

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Paul Williams

Looking at his weight during some of his fights, Williams was fighting as a middleweight and junior middleweight in the beginning of his career and with a height of 6'1" it's not a total mismatch.
For Pete's sake PAC is already being matched to guys like Ricky Hatton for crying out loud:rolleyes:

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Some use any excuse to discredit Pavlik and his wins. Williams I believe is a natural middleweight. Just feel Williams should take a different route like a fight against Sergio Martinez or Rubio. Needs to get his feet wet before he gets knocked off his feet.

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Thanks Mexirican!!! That's how I feel too, a guy that BIG/TALL fighting as a welter is just insane, Williams this time is just fighting somebody his own size. I agree though a tune up would be fair enough.

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Tommy hearns was that tall and he fought at welterweight in his best days. Fair enough he made it upto LH but I think that if you can make a weight why not fight at it, as long as your performing which Williams certainly was last time out!