God help me, I've become a social democrat

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Was Saddam do what he was supposed to? He did gas people before and refusing to give weapons inspectors a free pass sealed his fate...simple as that.


Listen miles, I don't like W, I am not defending his reasons for going to war I'm merely saying it's possible we were already on track to fight with Iraq anyway and after 9/11 just gave us the green light to do it.....Clinton was talking about military action vs Iraq before he left office....the only thing was W tried to take over the entire country(bad idea) with too few troops and no knowledge of the cultures there.


In the end there is a reason that is justafiable for military action vs Iraq...is wasn't the one they used but hey we could have just said "We don't like the way they are looking at us" it doesn't really change things too much at this point

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It doesn't matter if it was W, Clinton, or my Grandma, it was still wrong. There is no reason that I have heard that justifies the war with Iraq or its outcomes.

Iraq did agree to allow weapons inspectors, and then the demands were increased to include Saddam and his sons leaving the country.

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Where's the outrage about LBJ?!?!?! That war was a TON more costly in lives and casualties but nobody ever mentions how bogus the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was

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Are you fucking kidding me? That is one of the most universally derided incidents in US history.

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You're either completely ignorant or just playing devil's advocate, I'm pretty sure it's the latter. Have you ever met anyone who said their goal in life is to leech of the system? Do you have any idea how degrading it must be to exist like that?

Very few people on welfare are abusing the system, though some do exist. However, it doesn't make much sense to disband the police because of some rogue cops because the positive outweights the negative in terms of public well-being and it's the same with welfare. I understand the poor are an easy scapegoat, it's been that way forever (when the Jews weren't available anyway). However, a fraction of government spending (in any country) goes towards welfare, and the VAST majority of people who accept welfare are on it for less than a year.

I've been to some of the most poverty stricken places you can imagine. The people are not worthless, lazy, scum. They are poor. People do not begin life with an even playing field.

A large portion of welfare reciepients are not lazy, worthless, scum of the earth people. Believe or not, they're just like you and I.

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....believe it or not buddy there are people out there who are no good leeches.

Isn't BoxingGorilla from South Carolina....ask him about the people down there.....poor worthless bastards. It's not ALL people on welfare but in certain areas like Walterboro, SC it's a MAJORITY of those people who are welfare ticks.

I'm not scapegoating, I'm telling you the truth. My aunt is a RN down in SC and she delivers babies and we'll just say she sees the same customers quite often, they never pay the hospital bills, they obviously can't afford kids and neither can the government but the government pays for them....families with 7-8 kids bang bang bang one right after the other.

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You're either completely ignorant or just playing devil's advocate, I'm pretty sure it's the latter. Have you ever met anyone who said their goal in life is to leech of the system? Do you have any idea how degrading it must be to exist like that?

Very few people on welfare are abusing the system, though some do exist. However, it doesn't make much sense to disband the police because of some rogue cops because the positive outweights the negative in terms of public well-being and it's the same with welfare. I understand the poor are an easy scapegoat, it's been that way forever (when the Jews weren't available anyway). However, a fraction of government spending (in any country) goes towards welfare, and the VAST majority of people who accept welfare are on it for less than a year.

I've been to some of the most poverty stricken places you can imagine. The people are not worthless, lazy, scum. They are poor. People do not begin life with an even playing field.

A large portion of welfare reciepients are not lazy, worthless, scum of the earth people. Believe or not, they're just like you and I.

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....believe it or not buddy there are people out there who are no good leeches.

Isn't BoxingGorilla from South Carolina....ask him about the people down there.....poor worthless bastards. It's not ALL people on welfare but in certain areas like Walterboro, SC it's a MAJORITY of those people who are welfare ticks.

I'm not scapegoating, I'm telling you the truth. My aunt is a RN down in SC and she delivers babies and we'll just say she sees the same customers quite often, they never pay the hospital bills, they obviously can't afford kids and neither can the government but the government pays for them....families with 7-8 kids bang bang bang one right after the other.

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I never once said there were not welfare leeches, but the numbers are very small relative to the number of people who are receiving welfare, just because you know someone who does it does not change that.. And it is scape goating. A few people who abuse the system do not make the system worthless.

it's a large enough number that something about the system needs to be fixed I will say that

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Was Saddam do what he was supposed to? He did gas people before and refusing to give weapons inspectors a free pass sealed his fate...simple as that.


Listen miles, I don't like W, I am not defending his reasons for going to war I'm merely saying it's possible we were already on track to fight with Iraq anyway and after 9/11 just gave us the green light to do it.....Clinton was talking about military action vs Iraq before he left office....the only thing was W tried to take over the entire country(bad idea) with too few troops and no knowledge of the cultures there.


In the end there is a reason that is justafiable for military action vs Iraq...is wasn't the one they used but hey we could have just said "We don't like the way they are looking at us" it doesn't really change things too much at this point




Where's the outrage about LBJ?!?!?! That war was a TON more costly in lives and casualties but nobody ever mentions how bogus the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was. Or how about the Bay of Pigs??? Oh that was BRILLIANT but nooo we just won't talk abotu that because if we did then we couldn't pretend to be as shocked as we are about Iraq.

I'm not vacuous I'm just making a different point which IS valid, and I'm not saying there were WMD's obviously there weren't but hey the threat was there and Saddam didn't do his job to stop us which would have been nonviolent, peaceful, and maybe have built a bridge of trust between us after all we put him in power there

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The highlighted part makes a case for invading pretty much every country in the world. ;D

Actually, what follows isnt connected but I will talk anyway. I live in the strange land where hundreds of thousands took to the streets to protest against the import of "polluted" US beef. Apparently it was infected with mad cow disease and everyone was going to die. Utter bollocks of course, but perpetuated through the media here and peoples general ignorance. These protests went on for fucking weeks and even now I cannot get access to cheap, decent US beef.

Meanwhile, China has this scandal with melamine infecting each and every product. Korea is right next door and has of course been affected. Now where are the protests and mass rallies? Nobody's talking about it. Nobody cares. Utter nonsense I tell you. Koreans seem to be infected with hypocrisy more than anything else.

So if the US wants to invade somewhere because people are looking at them the wrong way, then they are welcome to start here. South of the border. Dont border with them in the North.

I just want a reasonably priced steak! :mad:

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Was Saddam do what he was supposed to? He did gas people before and refusing to give weapons inspectors a free pass sealed his fate...simple as that.


Listen miles, I don't like W, I am not defending his reasons for going to war I'm merely saying it's possible we were already on track to fight with Iraq anyway and after 9/11 just gave us the green light to do it.....Clinton was talking about military action vs Iraq before he left office....the only thing was W tried to take over the entire country(bad idea) with too few troops and no knowledge of the cultures there.


In the end there is a reason that is justafiable for military action vs Iraq...is wasn't the one they used but hey we could have just said "We don't like the way they are looking at us" it doesn't really change things too much at this point




Where's the outrage about LBJ?!?!?! That war was a TON more costly in lives and casualties but nobody ever mentions how bogus the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was. Or how about the Bay of Pigs??? Oh that was BRILLIANT but nooo we just won't talk abotu that because if we did then we couldn't pretend to be as shocked as we are about Iraq.

I'm not vacuous I'm just making a different point which IS valid, and I'm not saying there were WMD's obviously there weren't but hey the threat was there and Saddam didn't do his job to stop us which would have been nonviolent, peaceful, and maybe have built a bridge of trust between us after all we put him in power there

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The highlighted part makes a case for invading pretty much every country in the world. ;D

Actually, what follows isnt connected but I will talk anyway. I live in the strange land where hundreds of thousands took to the streets to protest against the import of "polluted" US beef. Apparently it was infected with mad cow disease and everyone was going to die. Utter bollocks of course, but perpetuated through the media here and peoples general ignorance. These protests went on for fucking weeks and even now I cannot get access to cheap, decent US beef.

Meanwhile, China has this scandal with melamine infecting each and every product. Korea is right next door and has of course been affected. Now where are the protests and mass rallies? Nobody's talking about it. Nobody cares. Utter nonsense I tell you. Koreans seem to be infected with hypocrisy more than anything else.

So if the US wants to invade somewhere because people are looking at them the wrong way, then they are welcome to start here. South of the border. Dont border with them in the North.

I just want a reasonably priced steak! :mad:

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Miles, I on my part is enraged with China. If it is only possible, I would not buy products from China or products with ingredients coming from China.

FYI miles, we are talking about the issues in China. It's even possible that my country will try to lessen importation from China. China needs to be responsible with how they make their products. There are no rallies because it's impractical to do it. Issues like importation from China is resolved through government action not through rallies.:cool:

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Was Saddam do what he was supposed to? He did gas people before and refusing to give weapons inspectors a free pass sealed his fate...simple as that.


Listen miles, I don't like W, I am not defending his reasons for going to war I'm merely saying it's possible we were already on track to fight with Iraq anyway and after 9/11 just gave us the green light to do it.....Clinton was talking about military action vs Iraq before he left office....the only thing was W tried to take over the entire country(bad idea) with too few troops and no knowledge of the cultures there.


In the end there is a reason that is justafiable for military action vs Iraq...is wasn't the one they used but hey we could have just said "We don't like the way they are looking at us" it doesn't really change things too much at this point




Where's the outrage about LBJ?!?!?! That war was a TON more costly in lives and casualties but nobody ever mentions how bogus the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was. Or how about the Bay of Pigs??? Oh that was BRILLIANT but nooo we just won't talk abotu that because if we did then we couldn't pretend to be as shocked as we are about Iraq.

I'm not vacuous I'm just making a different point which IS valid, and I'm not saying there were WMD's obviously there weren't but hey the threat was there and Saddam didn't do his job to stop us which would have been nonviolent, peaceful, and maybe have built a bridge of trust between us after all we put him in power there

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The highlighted part makes a case for invading pretty much every country in the world. ;D

Actually, what follows isnt connected but I will talk anyway. I live in the strange land where hundreds of thousands took to the streets to protest against the import of "polluted" US beef. Apparently it was infected with mad cow disease and everyone was going to die. Utter bollocks of course, but perpetuated through the media here and peoples general ignorance. These protests went on for fucking weeks and even now I cannot get access to cheap, decent US beef.

Meanwhile, China has this scandal with melamine infecting each and every product. Korea is right next door and has of course been affected. Now where are the protests and mass rallies? Nobody's talking about it. Nobody cares. Utter nonsense I tell you. Koreans seem to be infected with hypocrisy more than anything else.

So if the US wants to invade somewhere because people are looking at them the wrong way, then they are welcome to start here. South of the border. Dont border with them in the North.

I just want a reasonably priced steak! :mad:

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Miles, I on my part is enraged with China. If it is only possible, I would not buy products from China or products with ingredients coming from China.

FYI miles, we are talking about the issues in China. It's even possible that my country will try to lessen importation from China. China needs to be responsible with how they make their products. There are no rallies because it's impractical to do it. Issues like importation from China is resolved through government action not through rallies.:cool:

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Korea is all about public protests. But the point I was making, in a roundabout way, was the hypocrisy of the people who protest about perfectly safe US beef and then dont protest against actually quite dangerous Chinese products.

There is a bullshit factor which I find difficult to find any logic in. Koreans have a chip on their shoulder regarding the US and find any way they can to vent it. Its not something I approve of, and I can find a number of examples of it if anybody would ever like to get into that sometime.

So in conclusion I would like to see Seoul nuked. Preferably with me at a safe distance. :cool:

Nah, Im just kidding with that final part. ;D

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The highlighted part makes a case for invading pretty much every country in the world. ;D

Actually, what follows isnt connected but I will talk anyway. I live in the strange land where hundreds of thousands took to the streets to protest against the import of "polluted" US beef. Apparently it was infected with mad cow disease and everyone was going to die. Utter bollocks of course, but perpetuated through the media here and peoples general ignorance. These protests went on for fucking weeks and even now I cannot get access to cheap, decent US beef.

Meanwhile, China has this scandal with melamine infecting each and every product. Korea is right next door and has of course been affected. Now where are the protests and mass rallies? Nobody's talking about it. Nobody cares. Utter nonsense I tell you. Koreans seem to be infected with hypocrisy more than anything else.

So if the US wants to invade somewhere because people are looking at them the wrong way, then they are welcome to start here. South of the border. Dont border with them in the North.

I just want a reasonably priced steak! :mad:

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Miles, I on my part is enraged with China. If it is only possible, I would not buy products from China or products with ingredients coming from China.

FYI miles, we are talking about the issues in China. It's even possible that my country will try to lessen importation from China. China needs to be responsible with how they make their products. There are no rallies because it's impractical to do it. Issues like importation from China is resolved through government action not through rallies.:cool:

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Korea is all about public protests. But the point I was making, in a roundabout way, was the hypocrisy of the people who protest about perfectly safe US beef and then dont protest against actually quite dangerous Chinese products.

There is a bullshit factor which I find difficult to find any logic in. Koreans have a chip on their shoulder regarding the US and find any way they can to vent it. Its not something I approve of, and I can find a number of examples of it if anybody would ever like to get into that sometime.

So in conclusion I would like to see Seoul nuked. Preferably with me at a safe distance. :cool:

Nah, Im just kidding with that final part. ;D

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okay. I see what you mean.:cool:


Regarding Iraq, honestly, I have this hatred on them after the 9/11.

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Miles, I on my part is enraged with China. If it is only possible, I would not buy products from China or products with ingredients coming from China.

FYI miles, we are talking about the issues in China. It's even possible that my country will try to lessen importation from China. China needs to be responsible with how they make their products. There are no rallies because it's impractical to do it. Issues like importation from China is resolved through government action not through rallies.:cool:

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Korea is all about public protests. But the point I was making, in a roundabout way, was the hypocrisy of the people who protest about perfectly safe US beef and then dont protest against actually quite dangerous Chinese products.

There is a bullshit factor which I find difficult to find any logic in. Koreans have a chip on their shoulder regarding the US and find any way they can to vent it. Its not something I approve of, and I can find a number of examples of it if anybody would ever like to get into that sometime.

So in conclusion I would like to see Seoul nuked. Preferably with me at a safe distance. :cool:

Nah, Im just kidding with that final part. ;D

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okay. I see what you mean.:cool:


Regarding Iraq, honestly, I have this hatred on them after the 9/11.

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That makes no sense. They had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

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Miles, I on my part is enraged with China. If it is only possible, I would not buy products from China or products with ingredients coming from China.

FYI miles, we are talking about the issues in China. It's even possible that my country will try to lessen importation from China. China needs to be responsible with how they make their products. There are no rallies because it's impractical to do it. Issues like importation from China is resolved through government action not through rallies.:cool:

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Korea is all about public protests. But the point I was making, in a roundabout way, was the hypocrisy of the people who protest about perfectly safe US beef and then dont protest against actually quite dangerous Chinese products.

There is a bullshit factor which I find difficult to find any logic in. Koreans have a chip on their shoulder regarding the US and find any way they can to vent it. Its not something I approve of, and I can find a number of examples of it if anybody would ever like to get into that sometime.

So in conclusion I would like to see Seoul nuked. Preferably with me at a safe distance. :cool:

Nah, Im just kidding with that final part. ;D

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okay. I see what you mean.:cool:


Regarding Iraq, honestly, I have this hatred on them after the 9/11.

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You mean the Taliban in Afghanistan?

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Korea is all about public protests. But the point I was making, in a roundabout way, was the hypocrisy of the people who protest about perfectly safe US beef and then dont protest against actually quite dangerous Chinese products.

There is a bullshit factor which I find difficult to find any logic in. Koreans have a chip on their shoulder regarding the US and find any way they can to vent it. Its not something I approve of, and I can find a number of examples of it if anybody would ever like to get into that sometime.

So in conclusion I would like to see Seoul nuked. Preferably with me at a safe distance. :cool:

Nah, Im just kidding with that final part. ;D

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okay. I see what you mean.:cool:


Regarding Iraq, honestly, I have this hatred on them after the 9/11.

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You mean the Taliban in Afghanistan?

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They were reported to have been rejoicing when 9/11 happened. I think there was a video of it in the news.:-\

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okay. I see what you mean.:cool:


Regarding Iraq, honestly, I have this hatred on them after the 9/11.

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You mean the Taliban in Afghanistan?

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They were reported to have been rejoicing when 9/11 happened. I think there was a video of it in the news.:-\

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Rejoicing? Probably, they were sworn enemies of the States. That is no reason to hate and kill them.

Sadly, a lot of people around the world were probably happy after 9/11.

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You mean the Taliban in Afghanistan?

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They were reported to have been rejoicing when 9/11 happened. I think there was a video of it in the news.:-\

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Rejoicing? Probably, they were sworn enemies of the States. That is no reason to hate and kill them.

Sadly, a lot of people around the world were probably happy after 9/11.

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I hate them but I don't see any reason to kill them. I don't know bro. Maybe they deserved to be attacked.:-X

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They were reported to have been rejoicing when 9/11 happened. I think there was a video of it in the news.:-\

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Rejoicing? Probably, they were sworn enemies of the States. That is no reason to hate and kill them.

Sadly, a lot of people around the world were probably happy after 9/11.

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I hate them but I don't see any reason to kill them. I don't know bro. Maybe they deserved to be attacked.:-X

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That's a stupid position IMO. The same could be said about America deserving to be attacked, it doesn't make it right. Iraq was no threat to anyone and it hadn't been for a long time.

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Rejoicing? Probably, they were sworn enemies of the States. That is no reason to hate and kill them.

Sadly, a lot of people around the world were probably happy after 9/11.

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I hate them but I don't see any reason to kill them. I don't know bro. Maybe they deserved to be attacked.:-X

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That's a stupid position IMO. The same could be said about America deserving to be attacked, it doesn't make it right. Iraq was no threat to anyone and it hadn't been for a long time.

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I don't know who has the stupid position bro but I still feel that Iraq was becoming a threat to its neighboring countries and even to some muslim groups/villages.:cool:

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I hate them but I don't see any reason to kill them. I don't know bro. Maybe they deserved to be attacked.:-X

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That's a stupid position IMO. The same could be said about America deserving to be attacked, it doesn't make it right. Iraq was no threat to anyone and it hadn't been for a long time.

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I don't know who has the stupid position bro but I still feel that Iraq was becoming a threat to its neighboring countries and even to some muslim groups/villages.:cool:

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How? You can make these assertions all you want, but you haven't provided any facts. Iraq was crippled militarily and economically by the sanctions put in place following the Gulf war. They barely, if at all, had the military capacity to defend their own borders.
1+1 does not equal 3. Because America was attack by (mainly) Saudi's operating out of Afghanistan, Iraq deserves to be attacked?

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I hate them but I don't see any reason to kill them. I don't know bro. Maybe they deserved to be attacked.:-X

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That's a stupid position IMO. The same could be said about America deserving to be attacked, it doesn't make it right. Iraq was no threat to anyone and it hadn't been for a long time.

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I don't know who has the stupid position bro but I still feel that Iraq was becoming a threat to its neighboring countries and even to some muslim groups/villages.:cool:

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How so?
If they had been,their immediate neighbors Syria Turkey and Iran,would have welcomed our invasion.
All were against it
Iraq was a threat to bad cigars,and moustache wax,and thats about it

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That's a stupid position IMO. The same could be said about America deserving to be attacked, it doesn't make it right. Iraq was no threat to anyone and it hadn't been for a long time.

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I don't know who has the stupid position bro but I still feel that Iraq was becoming a threat to its neighboring countries and even to some muslim groups/villages.:cool:

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How? You can make these assertions all you want, but you haven't provided any facts. Iraq was crippled militarily and economically by the sanctions put in place following the Gulf war. They barely, if at all, had the military capacity to defend their own borders.
1+1 does not equal 3. Because America was attack by (mainly) Saudi's operating out of Afghanistan, Iraq deserves to be attacked?

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Exactly. Iraq was like a Great White with all its teeth pulled out.

And the invasion proved it. Iraq crumbled in a few days.

Just wondering,How many Canadians are deployed in Iraq?Also have taken casualties in Afghanistan.Odd,I can walk over to my neighbors shot-gun house in cajun country and have this same banter of Nationality ;D.

Propaganda smothered us after 9/11.But that shit don't matter to the guy next to you.Nor the civilians,the economists and least of all........The politicians.A Governments dictates do not automatically reflect the citizen's.Btw.....Go Saints ;D

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Just wondering,How many Canadians are deployed in Iraq?Also have taken casualties in Afghanistan.Odd,I can walk over to my neighbors shot-gun house in cajun country and have this same banter of Nationality ;D.

Propaganda smothered us after 9/11.But that shit don't matter to the guy next to you.Nor the civilians,the economists and least of all........The politicians.A Governments dictates do not automatically reflect the citizen's.Btw.....Go Saints ;D

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There are no Canadian solders in Iraq. In Afghanistan, Canadian soldiers have been taking casualties at a comparable and at times higher rate than U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

While I agree with you that the gov't does not reflect the wishes of all its citizens, citizens in a democracy (supposedly) have the ability to stop these things from happening. Iraq was a very popular war initially.

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That's a stupid position IMO. The same could be said about America deserving to be attacked, it doesn't make it right. Iraq was no threat to anyone and it hadn't been for a long time.

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I don't know who has the stupid position bro but I still feel that Iraq was becoming a threat to its neighboring countries and even to some muslim groups/villages.:cool:

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How so?
If they had been,their immediate neighbors Syria Turkey and Iran,would have welcomed our invasion.
All were against it
Iraq was a threat to bad cigars,and moustache wax,and thats about it

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I still believe that Iraq was a threat to the world. They were/are protecting Muslim terrorists.

These terrorists have a way of making stories as if they are the victims. I know it bro.

MILF, a muslim terrorist group in my country, would usually deny their acts of civilian killings. They are wreaking havoc to rural areas and after putting villages to fire they would say that it's the military doing it.

I know how these terrorists fabricate stories.:-X

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Just wondering,How many Canadians are deployed in Iraq?Also have taken casualties in Afghanistan.Odd,I can walk over to my neighbors shot-gun house in cajun country and have this same banter of Nationality ;D.

Propaganda smothered us after 9/11.But that shit don't matter to the guy next to you.Nor the civilians,the economists and least of all........The politicians.A Governments dictates do not automatically reflect the citizen's.Btw.....Go Saints ;D

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There are no Canadian solders in Iraq. In Afghanistan, Canadian soldiers have been taking casualties at a comparable and at times higher rate than U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

While I agree with you that the gov't does not reflect the wishes of all its citizens, citizens in a democracy (supposedly) have the ability to stop these things from happening. Iraq was a very popular war initially.

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Not from me,I smelled rodent high and hard,when the UN has to pull out weapons inspectors so we can invade because a country is supposedly in violation of a resolution that calls for weapons inspectors,I smell rat

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I don't know who has the stupid position bro but I still feel that Iraq was becoming a threat to its neighboring countries and even to some muslim groups/villages.:cool:

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How so?
If they had been,their immediate neighbors Syria Turkey and Iran,would have welcomed our invasion.
All were against it
Iraq was a threat to bad cigars,and moustache wax,and thats about it

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I still believe that Iraq was a threat to the world. They were/are protecting Muslim terrorists.

These terrorists have a way of making stories as if they are the victims. I know it bro.

MILF, a muslim terrorist group in my country, would usually deny their acts of civilian killings. They are wreaking havoc to rural areas and after putting villages to fire they would say that it's the military doing it.

I know how these terrorists fabricate stories.:-X

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You can believe what you want, it doesn't make it true. Show some evidence of these ridiculous claims. I would be amazed if you could.

Terrorists have never claimed to victimized by the Iraq War, it is the single most important thing in helping them gain new recruits. It also gives them an easy venue for killing Americans.

You have no idea what you're talking about and the situation in the Philippines is not related in any way shape or form to Iraq.

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Just wondering,How many Canadians are deployed in Iraq?Also have taken casualties in Afghanistan.Odd,I can walk over to my neighbors shot-gun house in cajun country and have this same banter of Nationality ;D.

Propaganda smothered us after 9/11.But that shit don't matter to the guy next to you.Nor the civilians,the economists and least of all........The politicians.A Governments dictates do not automatically reflect the citizen's.Btw.....Go Saints ;D

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There are no Canadian solders in Iraq. In Afghanistan, Canadian soldiers have been taking casualties at a comparable and at times higher rate than U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

While I agree with you that the gov't does not reflect the wishes of all its citizens, citizens in a democracy (supposedly) have the ability to stop these things from happening. Iraq was a very popular war initially.

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Not from me,I smelled rodent high and hard,when the UN has to pull out weapons inspectors so we can invade because a country is supposedly in violation of a resolution that calls for weapons inspectors,I smell rat

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I'm certainly not claiming every American felt the same way. Not for a second. However, the climate was such that dissent was not well tolerated and I think a lot of people were cowed into silence. Kudos to those who did step up and stick their necks out.

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Just wondering,How many Canadians are deployed in Iraq?Also have taken casualties in Afghanistan.Odd,I can walk over to my neighbors shot-gun house in cajun country and have this same banter of Nationality ;D.

Propaganda smothered us after 9/11.But that shit don't matter to the guy next to you.Nor the civilians,the economists and least of all........The politicians.A Governments dictates do not automatically reflect the citizen's.Btw.....Go Saints ;D

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There are no Canadian solders in Iraq. In Afghanistan, Canadian soldiers have been taking casualties at a comparable and at times higher rate than U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

While I agree with you that the gov't does not reflect the wishes of all its citizens, citizens in a democracy (supposedly) have the ability to stop these things from happening. Iraq was a very popular war initially.

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Does it really matter though,Dead is dead.The citizens have the ability to stop the actions of the Government once elected, set in motion just as much as a guy flagging down a city bus.......while standing in front of it :-X.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Just wondering,How many Canadians are deployed in Iraq?Also have taken casualties in Afghanistan.Odd,I can walk over to my neighbors shot-gun house in cajun country and have this same banter of Nationality ;D.

Propaganda smothered us after 9/11.But that shit don't matter to the guy next to you.Nor the civilians,the economists and least of all........The politicians.A Governments dictates do not automatically reflect the citizen's.Btw.....Go Saints ;D

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There are no Canadian solders in Iraq. In Afghanistan, Canadian soldiers have been taking casualties at a comparable and at times higher rate than U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

While I agree with you that the gov't does not reflect the wishes of all its citizens, citizens in a democracy (supposedly) have the ability to stop these things from happening. Iraq was a very popular war initially.

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Does it really matter though,Dead is dead.The citizens have the ability to stop the actions of the Government once elected, set in motion just as much as a guy flagging down a city bus.......while standing in front of it :-X.

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Dead is certainly dead. You asked if there were Canadian troops in Iraq, I assumed it was a serious question so I answered it.

As for the civilian/gov't thing, I do agree. The only thing that stops wars is economics.

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There are no Canadian solders in Iraq. In Afghanistan, Canadian soldiers have been taking casualties at a comparable and at times higher rate than U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

While I agree with you that the gov't does not reflect the wishes of all its citizens, citizens in a democracy (supposedly) have the ability to stop these things from happening. Iraq was a very popular war initially.

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Not from me,I smelled rodent high and hard,when the UN has to pull out weapons inspectors so we can invade because a country is supposedly in violation of a resolution that calls for weapons inspectors,I smell rat

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My exact quote during the UN hearings(talk about a show trial) was "We dont seem to be able to take yes for an answer"
It would have been like carpet bombing Michigan and Pennsylvania for Christian Posse Comitatus and Aryan Nations.
Actually that would have made more sense then Iraq did.
At least they had direct involvement in Oklahoma City, unlike Iraq and 9/11