God help me, I've become a social democrat

[brucelee]

Was Saddam do what he was supposed to? He did gas people before and refusing to give weapons inspectors a free pass sealed his fate...simple as that.


Listen miles, I don't like W, I am not defending his reasons for going to war I'm merely saying it's possible we were already on track to fight with Iraq anyway and after 9/11 just gave us the green light to do it.....Clinton was talking about military action vs Iraq before he left office....the only thing was W tried to take over the entire country(bad idea) with too few troops and no knowledge of the cultures there.


In the end there is a reason that is justafiable for military action vs Iraq...is wasn't the one they used but hey we could have just said "We don't like the way they are looking at us" it doesn't really change things too much at this point




Where's the outrage about LBJ?!?!?! That war was a TON more costly in lives and casualties but nobody ever mentions how bogus the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was. Or how about the Bay of Pigs Oh that was BRILLIANT but nooo we just won't talk abotu that because if we did then we couldn't pretend to be as shocked as we are about Iraq.

I'm not vacuous I'm just making a different point which IS valid, and I'm not saying there were WMD's obviously there weren't but hey the threat was there and Saddam didn't do his job to stop us which would have been nonviolent, peaceful, and maybe have built a bridge of trust between us after all we put him in power there

The highlighted part makes a case for invading pretty much every country in the world.

Actually, what follows isnt connected but I will talk anyway. I live in the strange land where hundreds of thousands took to the streets to protest against the import of "polluted" US beef. Apparently it was infected with mad cow disease and everyone was going to die. Utter bollocks of course, but perpetuated through the media here and peoples general ignorance. These protests went on for fucking weeks and even now I cannot get access to cheap, decent US beef.

Meanwhile, China has this scandal with melamine infecting each and every product. Korea is right next door and has of course been affected. Now where are the protests and mass rallies? Nobody's talking about it. Nobody cares. Utter nonsense I tell you. Koreans seem to be infected with hypocrisy more than anything else.

So if the US wants to invade somewhere because people are looking at them the wrong way, then they are welcome to start here. South of the border. Dont border with them in the North.

I just want a reasonably priced steak!

Miles, I on my part is enraged with China. If it is only possible, I would not buy products from China or products with ingredients coming from China.

FYI miles, we are talking about the issues in China. It's even possible that my country will try to lessen importation from China. China needs to be responsible with how they make their products. There are no rallies because it's impractical to do it. Issues like importation from China is resolved through government action not through rallies.

[Gandalf]

Was Saddam do what he was supposed to? He did gas people before and refusing to give weapons inspectors a free pass sealed his fate...simple as that.


Listen miles, I don't like W, I am not defending his reasons for going to war I'm merely saying it's possible we were already on track to fight with Iraq anyway and after 9/11 just gave us the green light to do it.....Clinton was talking about military action vs Iraq before he left office....the only thing was W tried to take over the entire country(bad idea) with too few troops and no knowledge of the cultures there.


In the end there is a reason that is justafiable for military action vs Iraq...is wasn't the one they used but hey we could have just said "We don't like the way they are looking at us" it doesn't really change things too much at this point




Where's the outrage about LBJ?!?!?! That war was a TON more costly in lives and casualties but nobody ever mentions how bogus the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was. Or how about the Bay of Pigs Oh that was BRILLIANT but nooo we just won't talk abotu that because if we did then we couldn't pretend to be as shocked as we are about Iraq.

I'm not vacuous I'm just making a different point which IS valid, and I'm not saying there were WMD's obviously there weren't but hey the threat was there and Saddam didn't do his job to stop us which would have been nonviolent, peaceful, and maybe have built a bridge of trust between us after all we put him in power there

The highlighted part makes a case for invading pretty much every country in the world.

Actually, what follows isnt connected but I will talk anyway. I live in the strange land where hundreds of thousands took to the streets to protest against the import of "polluted" US beef. Apparently it was infected with mad cow disease and everyone was going to die. Utter bollocks of course, but perpetuated through the media here and peoples general ignorance. These protests went on for fucking weeks and even now I cannot get access to cheap, decent US beef.

Meanwhile, China has this scandal with melamine infecting each and every product. Korea is right next door and has of course been affected. Now where are the protests and mass rallies? Nobody's talking about it. Nobody cares. Utter nonsense I tell you. Koreans seem to be infected with hypocrisy more than anything else.

So if the US wants to invade somewhere because people are looking at them the wrong way, then they are welcome to start here. South of the border. Dont border with them in the North.

I just want a reasonably priced steak!

Miles, I on my part is enraged with China. If it is only possible, I would not buy products from China or products with ingredients coming from China.

FYI miles, we are talking about the issues in China. It's even possible that my country will try to lessen importation from China. China needs to be responsible with how they make their products. There are no rallies because it's impractical to do it. Issues like importation from China is resolved through government action not through rallies.

Korea is all about public protests. But the point I was making, in a roundabout way, was the hypocrisy of the people who protest about perfectly safe US beef and then dont protest against actually quite dangerous Chinese products.

There is a bullshit factor which I find difficult to find any logic in. Koreans have a chip on their shoulder regarding the US and find any way they can to vent it. Its not something I approve of, and I can find a number of examples of it if anybody would ever like to get into that sometime.

So in conclusion I would like to see Seoul nuked. Preferably with me at a safe distance.

Nah, Im just kidding with that final part.

[brucelee]

The highlighted part makes a case for invading pretty much every country in the world.

Actually, what follows isnt connected but I will talk anyway. I live in the strange land where hundreds of thousands took to the streets to protest against the import of "polluted" US beef. Apparently it was infected with mad cow disease and everyone was going to die. Utter bollocks of course, but perpetuated through the media here and peoples general ignorance. These protests went on for fucking weeks and even now I cannot get access to cheap, decent US beef.

Meanwhile, China has this scandal with melamine infecting each and every product. Korea is right next door and has of course been affected. Now where are the protests and mass rallies? Nobody's talking about it. Nobody cares. Utter nonsense I tell you. Koreans seem to be infected with hypocrisy more than anything else.

So if the US wants to invade somewhere because people are looking at them the wrong way, then they are welcome to start here. South of the border. Dont border with them in the North.

I just want a reasonably priced steak!

Miles, I on my part is enraged with China. If it is only possible, I would not buy products from China or products with ingredients coming from China.

FYI miles, we are talking about the issues in China. It's even possible that my country will try to lessen importation from China. China needs to be responsible with how they make their products. There are no rallies because it's impractical to do it. Issues like importation from China is resolved through government action not through rallies.

Korea is all about public protests. But the point I was making, in a roundabout way, was the hypocrisy of the people who protest about perfectly safe US beef and then dont protest against actually quite dangerous Chinese products.

There is a bullshit factor which I find difficult to find any logic in. Koreans have a chip on their shoulder regarding the US and find any way they can to vent it. Its not something I approve of, and I can find a number of examples of it if anybody would ever like to get into that sometime.

So in conclusion I would like to see Seoul nuked. Preferably with me at a safe distance.

Nah, Im just kidding with that final part.

okay. I see what you mean.


Regarding Iraq, honestly, I have this hatred on them after the 9/11.

[CFH]

Miles, I on my part is enraged with China. If it is only possible, I would not buy products from China or products with ingredients coming from China.

FYI miles, we are talking about the issues in China. It's even possible that my country will try to lessen importation from China. China needs to be responsible with how they make their products. There are no rallies because it's impractical to do it. Issues like importation from China is resolved through government action not through rallies.

Korea is all about public protests. But the point I was making, in a roundabout way, was the hypocrisy of the people who protest about perfectly safe US beef and then dont protest against actually quite dangerous Chinese products.

There is a bullshit factor which I find difficult to find any logic in. Koreans have a chip on their shoulder regarding the US and find any way they can to vent it. Its not something I approve of, and I can find a number of examples of it if anybody would ever like to get into that sometime.

So in conclusion I would like to see Seoul nuked. Preferably with me at a safe distance.

Nah, Im just kidding with that final part.

okay. I see what you mean.


Regarding Iraq, honestly, I have this hatred on them after the 9/11.

That makes no sense. They had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

[Gandalf]

Miles, I on my part is enraged with China. If it is only possible, I would not buy products from China or products with ingredients coming from China.

FYI miles, we are talking about the issues in China. It's even possible that my country will try to lessen importation from China. China needs to be responsible with how they make their products. There are no rallies because it's impractical to do it. Issues like importation from China is resolved through government action not through rallies.

Korea is all about public protests. But the point I was making, in a roundabout way, was the hypocrisy of the people who protest about perfectly safe US beef and then dont protest against actually quite dangerous Chinese products.

There is a bullshit factor which I find difficult to find any logic in. Koreans have a chip on their shoulder regarding the US and find any way they can to vent it. Its not something I approve of, and I can find a number of examples of it if anybody would ever like to get into that sometime.

So in conclusion I would like to see Seoul nuked. Preferably with me at a safe distance.

Nah, Im just kidding with that final part.

okay. I see what you mean.


Regarding Iraq, honestly, I have this hatred on them after the 9/11.

You mean the Taliban in Afghanistan?

[brucelee]

Korea is all about public protests. But the point I was making, in a roundabout way, was the hypocrisy of the people who protest about perfectly safe US beef and then dont protest against actually quite dangerous Chinese products.

There is a bullshit factor which I find difficult to find any logic in. Koreans have a chip on their shoulder regarding the US and find any way they can to vent it. Its not something I approve of, and I can find a number of examples of it if anybody would ever like to get into that sometime.

So in conclusion I would like to see Seoul nuked. Preferably with me at a safe distance.

Nah, Im just kidding with that final part.

okay. I see what you mean.


Regarding Iraq, honestly, I have this hatred on them after the 9/11.

You mean the Taliban in Afghanistan?

They were reported to have been rejoicing when 9/11 happened. I think there was a video of it in the news.

[CFH]

okay. I see what you mean.


Regarding Iraq, honestly, I have this hatred on them after the 9/11.

You mean the Taliban in Afghanistan?

They were reported to have been rejoicing when 9/11 happened. I think there was a video of it in the news.

Rejoicing? Probably, they were sworn enemies of the States. That is no reason to hate and kill them.

Sadly, a lot of people around the world were probably happy after 9/11.

[brucelee]

You mean the Taliban in Afghanistan?

They were reported to have been rejoicing when 9/11 happened. I think there was a video of it in the news.

Rejoicing? Probably, they were sworn enemies of the States. That is no reason to hate and kill them.

Sadly, a lot of people around the world were probably happy after 9/11.

I hate them but I don't see any reason to kill them. I don't know bro. Maybe they deserved to be attacked.

[CFH]

They were reported to have been rejoicing when 9/11 happened. I think there was a video of it in the news.

Rejoicing? Probably, they were sworn enemies of the States. That is no reason to hate and kill them.

Sadly, a lot of people around the world were probably happy after 9/11.

I hate them but I don't see any reason to kill them. I don't know bro. Maybe they deserved to be attacked.

That's a stupid position IMO. The same could be said about America deserving to be attacked, it doesn't make it right. Iraq was no threat to anyone and it hadn't been for a long time.

[brucelee]

Rejoicing? Probably, they were sworn enemies of the States. That is no reason to hate and kill them.

Sadly, a lot of people around the world were probably happy after 9/11.

I hate them but I don't see any reason to kill them. I don't know bro. Maybe they deserved to be attacked.

That's a stupid position IMO. The same could be said about America deserving to be attacked, it doesn't make it right. Iraq was no threat to anyone and it hadn't been for a long time.

I don't know who has the stupid position bro but I still feel that Iraq was becoming a threat to its neighboring countries and even to some muslim groups/villages.

[CFH]

I hate them but I don't see any reason to kill them. I don't know bro. Maybe they deserved to be attacked.

That's a stupid position IMO. The same could be said about America deserving to be attacked, it doesn't make it right. Iraq was no threat to anyone and it hadn't been for a long time.

I don't know who has the stupid position bro but I still feel that Iraq was becoming a threat to its neighboring countries and even to some muslim groups/villages.

How? You can make these assertions all you want, but you haven't provided any facts. Iraq was crippled militarily and economically by the sanctions put in place following the Gulf war. They barely, if at all, had the military capacity to defend their own borders.
1+1 does not equal 3. Because America was attack by (mainly) Saudi's operating out of Afghanistan, Iraq deserves to be attacked?

[Trainer Monkey]

I hate them but I don't see any reason to kill them. I don't know bro. Maybe they deserved to be attacked.

That's a stupid position IMO. The same could be said about America deserving to be attacked, it doesn't make it right. Iraq was no threat to anyone and it hadn't been for a long time.

I don't know who has the stupid position bro but I still feel that Iraq was becoming a threat to its neighboring countries and even to some muslim groups/villages.

How so?
If they had been,their immediate neighbors Syria Turkey and Iran,would have welcomed our invasion.
All were against it
Iraq was a threat to bad cigars,and moustache wax,and thats about it

[Gandalf]

That's a stupid position IMO. The same could be said about America deserving to be attacked, it doesn't make it right. Iraq was no threat to anyone and it hadn't been for a long time.

I don't know who has the stupid position bro but I still feel that Iraq was becoming a threat to its neighboring countries and even to some muslim groups/villages.

How? You can make these assertions all you want, but you haven't provided any facts. Iraq was crippled militarily and economically by the sanctions put in place following the Gulf war. They barely, if at all, had the military capacity to defend their own borders.
1+1 does not equal 3. Because America was attack by (mainly) Saudi's operating out of Afghanistan, Iraq deserves to be attacked?

Exactly. Iraq was like a Great White with all its teeth pulled out.

And the invasion proved it. Iraq crumbled in a few days.

[Spicoli]

Just wondering,How many Canadians are deployed in Iraq?Also have taken casualties in Afghanistan.Odd,I can walk over to my neighbors shot-gun house in cajun country and have this same banter of Nationality .

Propaganda smothered us after 9/11.But that shit don't matter to the guy next to you.Nor the civilians,the economists and least of all........The politicians.A Governments dictates do not automatically reflect the citizen's.Btw.....Go Saints

[CFH]

Just wondering,How many Canadians are deployed in Iraq?Also have taken casualties in Afghanistan.Odd,I can walk over to my neighbors shot-gun house in cajun country and have this same banter of Nationality .

Propaganda smothered us after 9/11.But that shit don't matter to the guy next to you.Nor the civilians,the economists and least of all........The politicians.A Governments dictates do not automatically reflect the citizen's.Btw.....Go Saints

There are no Canadian solders in Iraq. In Afghanistan, Canadian soldiers have been taking casualties at a comparable and at times higher rate than U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

While I agree with you that the gov't does not reflect the wishes of all its citizens, citizens in a democracy (supposedly) have the ability to stop these things from happening. Iraq was a very popular war initially.